14-Year-Old, Murders Her Newborn Baby

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Hmmm I'm not so sure, I once overheard someone say they don't have to worry about working because they can just have a baby, be given a houe and get everything paid for them.
That may be true, but is anecdotal.

As sister Skye commented, it would be interesting to have statistical evidence of how common that kind of attitude is.
I mean, did you overhear the one and only person with that attitude in the entire country, or was she one of many? If the latter, how many others are there?

Personally, I am finding it hard to believe that there are women out there getting pregnant just to get a house and benefits ... but then, that's only my personal feeling and has no evidential muscle at all ...
 


Hi Zaria

It is easy to determine when somebody reaches adulthood from a physical perspective. Like you say, that happens when we reach physical maturity.

But what about mental maturity? How do we measure that? Or does that not part of the statement you made? Does physical maturity assume mental maturity?
Like I said in a post earlier, I find that there can be a vast discrepancy between physical and mental maturity in adolescents ...


Hi Glo,

From an islamic point of view, adulthood is recognised from the above mentioned criteria.

Mental maturity is not considered in this definition, and I think there is wisdom in this:

- How would one 'define' mental maturity?
- How would one assess the mental maturity of the illiterate/ poorly educated person?
- A person may reach the age of 20/ 25/ older - and still claim to be not 'mentally mature' as yet.

One needs to realise that the hormonal changes that occur during physical maturation affect not only the sexual organs, but the brain as well:
Testosterone surges in young men and monthly fluctuations in estrogen levels - all impact on ones higher functioning, ones sexual desires and transitions one away from childhood and into adulthood.

By recognising physical maturation as a sign of adulthood, we are placing a responsibility on our young adults - to behave and act as adults.
They need to realise that they are now accountable for all their deeds.
If a young adult/ teenager dies - he will not be protected by his 'lack of mental maturity' on the Day of Judgement.
And so, if we have kids who reached maturity - we need to reprimand them if they fail to pray/ fast in Ramadaan, etc......all this, for their own benefit.



And what about being of sound mind?
From what we know about this young girl, how can we be sure that she is of sound mind?
Prising your unborn baby out of your own body with scissors and keeping it's dead body in a box in your bedroom until it begins to smell are not the actions of somebody of sound mind (as I have also mentioned in an earlier post).

Do you think these are the actions of a human being in a rational state?

It is indeed difficult to judge this case from the information that we have at hand.

However, I am leaning towards this young being of sound mind from the following:

- By her own testimony, she says that she "didn't know what to do with it,".
She does not mention that she was hearing 'voices' prompting her to commit the murder of an innocent newborn.

Considering the following:
- "As evidence that she wasn't pregnant, Cassidy Goodson had shown her mother two home pregnancy tests that turned up negative. However, the teen had conducted the tests completely alone."
......tells me that she was intentionally trying to deceive her family - and had the ability to devise a plan in this regard.

- Her mother does not appear to question her own daughters state of mind (and this is a very important clue as well).

- Her method of extracting her fetus, choking it to death and being able to sleep with the dead body in her own room.......would then indicate absolute callousness and a disregard of acccountability to a higher power (if she is infact sane).

These are just my opinions drawn from the information provided in the article.
Perhaps I am wrong, and there is much more to this case.

Allah knows best.

And I do trust, that He is the best of Judgers in all matters.


Peace.
 
Thanks for your measured and well thought out reply, Zaria.

There is much you write which I agree with and can relate to.
Like you, I have made many assumptions when reading this story. There is much we cannot know and much we have to guess to fill the gaps.

I enjoyed reading your thoughts on this.

God knows best indeed, and I trust that he has a plan for this young girl.

Salaam
 
I also live in the UK. And I like the benefit system here. What would you suggest hand out food stamps like America? How degrading is that?
How accurate is the media in the uk? The same media the exaggerate crimes committed by Muslims by emphasising the fact they are “Muslims” regardless whether they are practicing or not?

The media that uses unethical tactics to gain a headline?

What do suppose we do with single mothers? Incentive to get pregnant? How?

They are expected to put up with dirty and run down hostel or flats and sometimes in dangerous area. Single mothers don’t have a choice where they stay or the amount money they receive. Once the child is age seven, they are expected to work.

I am sorry; the most vulnerable people in our society should receive help that includes single mothers. No point punishing children because their mothers are single.

Sister, I agree that the media can be manipulative, I only quoted that there is an actual problem regarding teenage pregnancy. I am not here to argue with my brothers, and sisters ,I really did not join this site for this, I just assumed been Muslims we would understand that this girl is not considered a child nor deserve a sympathy. Sister Zaria explained it very well, Jazaha Allah Khair.

Regarding the benefit system I know very well how it works, and giving money to those kids it does not mean the babies well be well fed or cared for. Some will spend the whole money on booze and cigarettes, or designer things. A question for those who argue that these teen are kids, how do you then think they are very responsible on spending the money they are given?

You treat them like kids, and they will behave like kids, and then give them money and they will spend them like kids. I do not suggest stopping the benefit system; it just does not seem to work very well. The society refuses to give teen responsibilities, who says that a person less than 18yr by a day is a child??

Those called “kids” know their rights and abuse the system, for example, they can steal, terrorise a shop keeper and the police cannot do anything because they are “ children”. We clearly see there is a problem and people refuses to change the methods, they use the same old methods, how about trying a new method for a change?
 

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