17 year old girl's head stamped on by father, till dead.

[Snowflake]

Re: 17 year old girls Head stamped on by father till dead.

asalam alaikum wr wb

Sick!!!!!! That poor girl. Her 'wrong' was nothing compared to what her father & relatives did. :raging:

Her murder was clearly premeditated. The Quran has stated:

"....... But whoever kills a believer intentionally - his recompense is Hell, wherein he will abide eternally, and Allah has become angry with him and has cursed him and has prepared for him a great punishment." An-Nisa 92-23

She said Ali used his feet to press down hard on his own daughter's throat until she was suffocated. Then he called for a knife and began to cut at her body. All the time he was calling out that his honour was being cleansed.

astaghfirullah, it is forbidden to mutilate the body of an enemy and this man did this to his own daughter, then they claim to be living under religious laws. This has got to be the height of ignorance!


wa alaikum asalam wr wb

 

[barney]

Re: 17 year old girls Head stamped on by father till dead.

I think we're all clear that the father's actions were horrific.
But what should have been her punishment?

 

[The_Prince]

Re: 17 year old girls Head stamped on by father till dead.

I think we're all clear that the father's actions were horrific.
But what should have been her punishment?

she should have been locked in the house and admonished for dating a najis UK soldier who is occupying her country, as well as being in an army that has commited several crimes, tortures, and rapes of her fellow people.

as for the father he should be tried as in Islam you cant take the law into your own hands.

if it was my daughter i would have grounded her until she knew there would be no way for it to work, no daughter of mine will EVER romance with any soldier of a western army that is occupying Muslim lands and Killing my fellow Muslims, period.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Re: 17 year old girls Head stamped on by father till dead.

He should face trial for murder. Honour killings have no place in Islam.

There's a message muslims need to get out. Denounce this sort of thing loudly, even more loudly that ya otherwise would, because unfortunately many non-muslims DO see this as something islamic. It isn't I realize, and making that clear to everybody is one good way of improving the muslim image in the west (so utterly destroyed by 9/11 and the events that followed).

 

[crayon]

Re: 17 year old girls Head stamped on by father till dead.

I think we're all clear that the father's actions were horrific.
But what should have been her punishment?

Her islamic punishment or her father's punishment?

There is absolutely no islamic punishment to be carried out here. She was talking to the guy. And even if she was sleeping with him (which I seriously doubt), there would have to have been 4 witnesses who testified to actually SEEING the act of sexual intercourse in a court for her to be found guilty.

If this were my daughter, I would sit down with her and ask her about it, and make sure of the info I had (remember, the moronic father did this murdered her based on HEARSAY). Then I would explain to her that what she was doing was wrong. Not only is she doing something islamically unacceptable, she is fraternizing with the enemy. If she insisted on this behavior, she would be grounded. If I saw her talking to him again, I would lose my trust in her, and watch her every move, same as if I had caught her doing drugs, or drinking alcohol, etc.

 

[MTAFFI]

Re: 17 year old girls Head stamped on by father till dead.

i dont believe that this sort of horrible action stems as much from the religion of Islam as it does the ethnicity or history of the people that live in this region of the world. Islam, as someone said before me, does not permit anyone to take the law into their own hands, even if it did this sort of "punishment" is inconsistent to that of which a court would hand out... Very sad for this girl, very sad that there are people that can live with themselves after such an event..

May Allah (swt) give that mother strength and relieve the world of this sort of intolerance and ignorance

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

So sad! - Things like these occur worldwide daily. It's so sad. Makes my heart heavy. God bless people who's only 'crime' is to love another or just be born a female! - It's a cultural thing. One day one hopes it will be eradicated, though I doubt it!

 

[islamirama]

She had been seen conversing intimately with Paul. It was enough to condemn her, because he was British, a Christian, 'the invader', and the enemy.

The kuffars invade her home land, torture her country's men to death (abu gharib just one example) and rape her country's women. And yet she has the audacity to shamelessly engage in this? He is a kuffar and he is an invader who is occupying Muslim land and oppressing and killing muslims and violating muslim women honor.

I don't feel sorry for her nor do i feel sorry for her father who murdered. She isn't a kid, she should've known what the outcome would be, especially the situation they are living in. What they both did is what their own hands earned, and they both will answer to Allah for that.

 

[truemuslim]

The kuffars invade her home land, torture her country's men to death (abu gharib just one example) and rape her country's women. And yet she has the audacity to shamelessly engage in this? He is a kuffar and he is an invader who is occupying Muslim land and oppressing and killing muslims and violating muslim women honor.

I don't feel sorry for her nor do i feel sorry for her father who murdered. She isn't a kid, she should've known what the outcome would be, especially the situation they are living in. What they both did is what their own hands earned, and they both will answer to Allah for that.

yeh what she did was defidently wrong but he was wrong to kill her too.
she did somethin really bad
but he did worse........i fink...
this isnt even islamic. non of it, what the girl did and what the father did. its all unislamic. they prolly not even muslims. mayb juss arabs but people think they muslims coz people think all arabs are muslims.

 

[islamirama]

this isnt even islamic. non of it, what the girl did and what the father did. its all unislamic. they prolly not even muslims. mayb juss arabs but people think they muslims coz people think all arabs are muslims.

They could be arab christians also and not Muslims, so why Muslims be blamed for it then?

also, let's even if they are christains. Then it's ok him being a christian but he still is an invader of her land, murderer of her people and rapist of her women. Doesn't she have any pride in her land and people or is she so shameless as to go fall for her enemy?

I still stand by what i said. She did wrong, he did worst and I don't feel sorry for either one of them, they got what their hands earned, just or unjust.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

I don't feel sorry for her nor do i feel sorry for her father who murdered. She isn't a kid, she should've known what the outcome would be, especially the situation they are living in. What they both did is what their own hands earned, and they both will answer to Allah for that.

You feel nothing about the pain she endured which resulted in her death in the most cruel manner?

 

[Al-Zaara]

also, let's even if they are christains. Then it's ok him being a christian but he still is an invader of her land, murderer of her people and rapist of her women. Doesn't she have any pride in her land and people or is she so shameless as to go fall for her enemy?

So one young man has the burden of all his fellow soldiers?
So I am a terrorist then, because my "fellow Muslims" actions, are also mine, so therefor according to your thinking I am a terrorist, because of something I myself haven't done, but the others have.
Sure, you can be accountable for the people you hang around with but ultimatelly, in this case, it may not be that this boy ever raped anyone or killed. True, he may have done something by being there and that is just his presence. We don't know about his life or his actions.

 

[truemuslim]

They could be arab christians also and not Muslims, so why Muslims be blamed for it then?

also, let's even if they are christains. Then it's ok him being a christian but he still is an invader of her land, murderer of her people and rapist of her women. Doesn't she have any pride in her land and people or is she so shameless as to go fall for her enemy?

I still stand by what i said. She did wrong, he did worst and I don't feel sorry for either one of them, they got what their hands earned, just or unjust.

because people like blaming muslims for other peoples wrongs...

Yehh...but we don't know how the actual guy is, he could've been nice and all and against all of this...................ok nvrmind...
how do we kno she didnt plan this so then she can take him and kill him for her land??
and again..nvrmnd...

They both did wrong. her, her father, and the soldier mayb

 

[aadil77]

The kuffars invade her home land, torture her country's men to death (abu gharib just one example) and rape her country's women. And yet she has the audacity to shamelessly engage in this? He is a kuffar and he is an invader who is occupying Muslim land and oppressing and killing muslims and violating muslim women honor.

I don't feel sorry for her nor do i feel sorry for her father who murdered. She isn't a kid, she should've known what the outcome would be, especially the situation they are living in. What they both did is what their own hands earned, and they both will answer to Allah for that.

Seriously bro, there was no islamic punishment for it, yes it was wrong but she had the right to repent, i'm sure she could have been talked out of it rather just getting wasted

 

[crayon]

The kuffars invade her home land, torture her country's men to death (abu gharib just one example) and rape her country's women. And yet she has the audacity to shamelessly engage in this? He is a kuffar and he is an invader who is occupying Muslim land and oppressing and killing muslims and violating muslim women honor.

I don't feel sorry for her nor do i feel sorry for her father who murdered. She isn't a kid, she should've known what the outcome would be, especially the situation they are living in. What they both did is what their own hands earned, and they both will answer to Allah for that.

Regardless of whatever she did, the father had absolutely no right to kill her. This was murder, pure and simple.

 

[islamirama]

Seriously bro, there was no islamic punishment for it, yes it was wrong but she had the right to repent, i'm sure she could have been talked out of it rather just getting wasted

Did I say there is an islamic punishment or she deserved it? I just said they both got what their hands earned (because of their own actions). So don't expect me to start :exhausted like rest of the kids on here.

You feel nothing about the pain she endured which resulted in her death in the most cruel manner?

Excuse me if i don't cry a river over her or don't loose any sleep for that matter. I'm sure she didn't deserve that death but she got no one to blame but her self, knowing well what society she lives in and under whose occupation they are.

So one young man has the burden of all his fellow soldiers?
So I am a terrorist then, because my "fellow Muslims" actions, are also mine, so therefor according to your thinking I am a terrorist, because of something I myself haven't done, but the others have.
Sure, you can be accountable for the people you hang around with but ultimatelly, in this case, it may not be that this boy ever raped anyone or killed. True, he may have done something by being there and that is just his presence. We don't know about his life or his actions.

Go look up what Islam says about those who invade Muslim lands, torture Muslim men and rape muslim women. Go ask your sisters in Islam first, how they feel being raped and pregnant by these kuffars, before you start bleeding for one kuffar soldier. This is war and occupation of Muslim lands, Allah COMMANDED jihad as OBLIGATORY when Muslim land is invaded like they have done so. There is no "this soldier is good and that one is bad", they came in numbers as the enemy and need to be blown back to their land as the enemy minus a few limbs.

 

[MTAFFI]

I don't feel sorry for her nor do i feel sorry for her father who murdered. She isn't a kid, she should've known what the outcome would be, especially the situation they are living in. What they both did is what their own hands earned, and they both will answer to Allah for that.

Compassion for your fellow man/woman or brother/sister in Islam is something that you should have and is more or less commanded by Allah (swt). To lack any feeling for an unjust murder of a fellow human being is sadistic and callous, and IMO you should re-evaluate your statements. If this is how you truly feel, I will not judge you but I will pray for you. She committed no sin with this man, and even the rules of her society didnt restrict her from what she did, this man got off because of an unstable unreliable unjust government, not because it is the law of the land.

However, you are who you are and you are entitled to your feelings, hopefully you dont ever have to endure such a punishment.

Karma can be a real b*tch

 

[barney]

I'll just point out that there have been no British soldiers in Rape cases with muslim women in the five years since the liberation.
Conversely, British soldiers have interevened in rape and prevented it.

US soldiers , I think there has been a handful out of the several million US troops cycled trough the region. In the same time Iraqi deaths squads have raped on a daily basis multiple times.

Dont want to get off point, but sometimes the big lie needs correcting.

 

[islamirama]

Compassion for your fellow man/woman or brother/sister in Islam is something that you should have and is more or less commanded by Allah (swt). To lack any feeling for an unjust murder of a fellow human being is sadistic and callous, and IMO you should re-evaluate your statements. If this is how you truly feel, I will not judge you but I will pray for you. She committed no sin with this man, and even the rules of her society didnt restrict her from what she did, this man got off because of an unstable unreliable unjust government, not because it is the law of the land.

However, you are who you are and you are entitled to your feelings, hopefully you dont ever have to endure such a punishment.

Karma can be a real b*tch

Plz DON"T give me that crap talk. I don't need you to pray for me if you have a problem with my statement. I do not appreciate others telling me how i should "feel" about this person or that person. Yea its sad her daddy killed her and she didn't deserve it. yea it was wrong to kill her and he should be tried for murder. But no i will not cry over this no feel sorry for her. She is not little kid who needs to be told what is going in her country and what consequences there will be based on what actions one take.

So don't give me that karma trash, I believe in Allah and inshallah stick to the halaal. Those who do good will have good returned to them and those who do bad will have like wise. So take your karma and shove it along with your attitude of educating me on how to "feel". My muslim bothers and sisters suffering in faleesteen and iraq and kasmir and other such places are more deserving of my feelings and duas then some kid flinging with the enemy of her people and land.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

mg: :X *Tries to break the argument but fails!*
Ummm, comeon guys...