1st Clash Between the Foreigners & Pashtuns in Waziristan

[snakelegs]

Peace upon you,

Yes some elements of Democracy are very compatible to Islamic Sharia. However as a whole i do not believe they are compatible. The Taliban according to the Islamic Scholars today brought back the True Religion of Islam and established Sharia. That is why they are praised in the Islamic World.

The Durand line does not exist from Pakistan to Afghanistan. The poshtun people hold their control in very high regard, but i do not share the opinion that they do not like the Taliban. It is them who are the Taliban so to say they do not as a whole or most of them, is a complete Contradiction.

i didn't say pashtuns don't like the taliban. the ones i know do not - altho some feel that they were the best thing at the time for afghanistan. all i said was that not all pashtuns support the taliban. what the actual percentage is, either way, is anybody's guess.
well, pakistan seems to think that the durand line is real - i know most pashtuns don't and i think (?) afghanistan also does not recognize it as a permanent border. it was only supposed to exist until 1990-something or other anyway.
do you think the taliban were practicing shariah law fully and perfectly? was afghanistan under the taliban a good model of an islamic state?
as for bringing back the "true religion of islam," if you're speaking about the people (not the gov't) - i don't think islam ever left - my understanding is that afghans were a very religious and conservative people before the taliban.

 

[mahdisoldier19]

i didn't say pashtuns don't like the taliban. the ones i know do not - altho some feel that they were the best thing at the time for afghanistan. all i said was that not all pashtuns support the taliban. what the actual percentage is, either way, is anybody's guess.
well, pakistan seems to think that the durand line is real - i know most pashtuns don't and i think (?) afghanistan also does not recognize it as a permanent border. it was only supposed to exist until 1990-something or other anyway.
do you think the taliban were practicing shariah law fully and perfectly? was afghanistan under the taliban a good model of an islamic state?
as for bringing back the "true religion of islam," if you're speaking about the people (not the gov't) - i don't think islam ever left - my understanding is that afghans were a very religious and conservative people before the taliban.

There is no True Sharia that aboded by the Laws of Allah swt since the Ottomans, however in that regard the Ulema in Saudia and Middle East have agreed that the Taliban have brought back the Religion of Ibrahim alayhi salam since the time of the Ottoman. Although i also believe they're approach was an example for those who wish to Establish true Sharia.

Yes i would say concerning the circumstances in Afghanistan, the Taliban are a Prime Example for the Muslim World. Those of a Few, stood against the Superpower of the World. Unlike Pakistani government who themselves became Puppets of Bush, and other Governmental functions that exist in the World.

I believe Islam is there, but the job of the believers was not there. The job is to establish Allah swt word and his Law In the Lands that the Muslims Conquer. Now i ask you, Pakistan no Sharia? Saudi Arabia, is that Sharia(They have interest banks all over), Egypt(Not even close), Lebanon(Good Luck),Iran(Almost went to war with the Taliban). The Taliban were the only ones to effectively control a country of Anarchy in less than 2 years. Do you think if Texas was in a state of anarchy, and every other state and federal administration did not want to bother with Texas. Do you honestly think Texas would Establish full security, Disarm 99 percent of its population, Establish a law in less than 2 years provided that Texas just got invaded and all of it is completely destroyed from a 10 year war, AND there are feuding warlords?

Its not so easy as people think, they love to criticize the Taliban, but when you put them in Afghanistan, then they run back and say Maybe the Taliban were not bad people. Look at the case of Yvonne Ridley.

From another point of view some might say the invasion of Afghanistan from the Russians set the stage for a new awakening of Muslims worldwide.

So no one wants to understand these issues rather follow false propaganda, such as no Education for females(Lies), all fabrications.

But then Again i am just simply stating what that side of the World is stating, i support a democratic state.

 

[don532]

I believe Islam is there, but the job of the believers was not there. The job is to establish Allah swt word and his Law In the Lands that the Muslims Conquer.

Greetings. Can you explain the words about the lands that Muslims conquer? What type of conquering are you referring to and is that still the job of the believers?

Thank you. Peace.

 

[snakelegs]

There is no True Sharia that aboded by the Laws of Allah swt since the Ottomans, however in that regard the Ulema in Saudia and Middle East have agreed that the Taliban have brought back the Religion of Ibrahim alayhi salam since the time of the Ottoman. Although i also believe they're approach was an example for those who wish to Establish true Sharia.

Yes i would say concerning the circumstances in Afghanistan, the Taliban are a Prime Example for the Muslim World. Those of a Few, stood against the Superpower of the World. Unlike Pakistani government who themselves became Puppets of Bush, and other Governmental functions that exist in the World.

I believe Islam is there, but the job of the believers was not there. The job is to establish Allah swt word and his Law In the Lands that the Muslims Conquer. Now i ask you, Pakistan no Sharia? Saudi Arabia, is that Sharia(They have interest banks all over), Egypt(Not even close), Lebanon(Good Luck),Iran(Almost went to war with the Taliban). The Taliban were the only ones to effectively control a country of Anarchy in less than 2 years. Do you think if Texas was in a state of anarchy, and every other state and federal administration did not want to bother with Texas. Do you honestly think Texas would Establish full security, Disarm 99 percent of its population, Establish a law in less than 2 years provided that Texas just got invaded and all of it is completely destroyed from a 10 year war, AND there are feuding warlords?

Its not so easy as people think, they love to criticize the Taliban, but when you put them in Afghanistan, then they run back and say Maybe the Taliban were not bad people. Look at the case of Yvonne Ridley.

From another point of view some might say the invasion of Afghanistan from the Russians set the stage for a new awakening of Muslims worldwide.

So no one wants to understand these issues rather follow false propaganda, such as no Education for females(Lies), all fabrications.

But then Again i am just simply stating what that side of the World is stating, i support a democratic state.

i know there is no shariah state. are you saying the taliban came the closest to a shariah state or that they had actually established and carried out shariah in a perfect/model way?
i am no admirer of musharraf (is anyone?), but i really don't think he had any choice - he was probably told "co-operate or we'll bomb you too". in fact, that threat is still very much there and, as you know, the u.s. has done several bombings in waziristan and there is concern that they may step it up more if the pak army cannot establish control in FATA (which, of course, they can't).
you support a democratic state and you support a shariah state - you even said that "on the whole", shariah and democracy are not compatible. isn't this contradictory?
i don't think i blindly "follow false propaganda" - i ask questions, as i have asked you, because i want to learn.
anyway, thanks for the info you've given.

 

[mahdisoldier19]

i know there is no shariah state. are you saying the taliban came the closest to a shariah state or that they had actually established and carried out shariah in a perfect/model way?
i am no admirer of musharraf (is anyone?), but i really don't think he had any choice - he was probably told "co-operate or we'll bomb you too". in fact, that threat is still very much there and, as you know, the u.s. has done several bombings in waziristan and there is concern that they may step it up more if the pak army cannot establish control in FATA (which, of course, they can't).
you support a democratic state and you support a shariah state - you even said that "on the whole", shariah and democracy are not compatible. isn't this contradictory?
i don't think i blindly "follow false propaganda" - i ask questions, as i have asked you, because i want to learn.
anyway, thanks for the info you've given.

Distinguishing and Supporting are two perspectives. Musharraf was given the ultimatum to support or be bombed. But the Taliban did not care, they keep protection in Allah swt. So the fight this mentality is very difficult, not a simple walk in the park.

I believe they came the closest and Established a model of Sharia. They provided all the fundamental aspects of Sharia and implemented it. That is why i would consider them a model, as far as coming close. What i meant is that in this time period the current modern age in the past 50-60 years, they have come closer than any other state in the world. Also they are a model for an Islamic State is what i am saying.

 

[snakelegs]

i understand what you're saying. thanks for clarification.
people who have no fear of death are unbeatable.

 

[mahdisoldier19]

i understand what you're saying. thanks for clarification.
people who have no fear of death are unbeatable.

If you do not mind, i would like your response on the post i made before the previous one, on the issue of Texas and comparison of the Taliban. What do you think of the Taliban when i showed you the comparison to texas?

 

[snakelegs]

If you do not mind, i would like your response on the post i made before the previous one, on the issue of Texas and comparison of the Taliban. What do you think of the Taliban when i showed you the comparison to texas?

Do you think if Texas was in a state of anarchy, and every other state and federal administration did not want to bother with Texas. Do you honestly think Texas would Establish full security, Disarm 99 percent of its population, Establish a law in less than 2 years provided that Texas just got invaded and all of it is completely destroyed from a 10 year war, AND there are feuding warlords?

no, i don't think it would be able to accomplish that. this is the reason why a lot of people welcomed the taliban - and as far as i know, this was their biggest achievement - they stopped the bloodshed. abstract theories or preferences don't mean much when you don't have security and security was what the people of afghanistan yearned for the most.
i even know people (pashtuns) who hate the taliban, but they don't deny that the taliban brought an end to the years of chaos and bloodshed.

 

[wilberhum]

Waziristan fighting intensifies
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/9529C169-1DAA-4DFD-B39E-9750E0173EEC.htm
At least 100 people have been killed in three days of fighting between local people and Uzbeks in northwestern Pakistan, security officials have said.

The fighting began on Monday in the town of Kalusha after Mullah Nazir, an former Taliban commander who now backs the Pakistani government, ordered followers of Tahir Yuldashev, the leader of the Islamic Union of Uzbekistan, to disarm.
Yuldashev refused and Nazir's repeated calls for the Uzbeks to leave the area quickly provoked fighting between the Uzbeks and his own tribal followers.

"Most people are against them because they are the main source of security problems in our area," said one resident, who declined to be identified.

Local people say up to 1,200 Uzbeks are in the region.

Yuldashev, whose central Asian group has been linked to al-Qaeda, has been sentenced to death in absentia for a series bombings in Tashkent, the Uzbek capital.