2,080 lashes for Saudi man who raped daughter

[User29123]

Salaam,

Why didn't the BBC report this? The BBC always reports negative stories about Saudi Arabia. Stories that show victims get justice in Saudi Arabia are never rarely/never reported by the mainstream media.

The whole idea of, we don't really know whether the defendant is truly guilty but we still can sentence him to 58 years of his behind bars, is absurd. If there is any reasonable doubt that the defendant is not guilty, he should not be executed. Hitler was responsible for the deaths of many civilians and there is no doubt in my mind that he was guilty.

That's there job that's why..

 

[Mikayeel]

Even in England people have been found guilty of crimes but then later not guilty..It has happened when people have spent their life in prison and are innocent..

What i meant brother, is that the convicted himself pleaded guilty to the crime.

 

[CosmicPathos]

To all those doubting the death penalty. Just out of curiosity, say the convicted pleaded guilty. Would it then be acceptable to enforce the death penalty? Or can you think of more reasons to defend a beast?

Beast? Great, its easy for you to say that, especially when you live a healthy life, are not addicted to drugs, have good genes from parents.

What this man did was totally wrong. But till he is proven sane and not psychologically ill, he must not be punished. If he is mentally ill, too bad the daughter was born to parents who were ill. Its a trial for her from Allah. We all have had our trials in past, and will continue to do so till death. Hers is not the "unique" trial.

No need for emotional hysteria.

 

[GuestFellow]

Beast? Great, its easy for you to say that, especially when you live a healthy life, are not addicted to drugs, have good genes from parents.

What this man did was totally wrong. But till he is proven sane and not psychologically ill, he must not be punished. If he is mentally ill, too bad the daughter was born to parents who were ill. Its a trial for her from Allah. We all have our trials.

No need for emotional hysteria.

Salaam,

I have to agree. The man does not sound mentally stable and does need help. He should not be punished unless he knew what he was doing was wrong.

 

[GuestFellow]

To all those doubting the death penalty. Just out of curiosity, say the convicted pleaded guilty. Would it then be acceptable to enforce the death penalty? Or can you think of more reasons to defend a beast?

Salaam,

I would be very careful when people plead guilty for serious crimes. There is a possibility he may have been pressured to give a false confession.

 

[User29123]

What i meant brother, is that the convicted himself pleaded guilty to the crime.

Well in Saudi there is no lawyer and no one is allowed in the court, even in the investigation rooms we do not know what goes on. Once in USA police were questioning a boy about a murder and they were forcing him to confess but he never did the murder he was there for 6 hours and at the end he made up his own story and confessed but he was not the real killer...

Lucky they got CCTV footage in the investigation room and someone saw it..

 

[islamica]

I am sure the victim also is a criminal to someone else.

are you saying the rape victim is a criminal also? you and your kind sicken me out. And you call yourselves muslims, you got sick kind of justice +o(

 

[serena77]

okay.. so a serious question... I'm not being flippant... or trying to sound stupid... but (please remember i'm a recent revert)
does Shari'a law allow for mental illness in its rulings or drug use? because, if it doesn't ... then a good portion of this thread is moot isnt it? doesn't KSA use Shari'a?
Serena

 

[Mikayeel]

Beast? Great, its easy for you to say that, especially when you live a healthy life, are not addicted to drugs, have good genes from parents.

What this man did was totally wrong. But till he is proven sane and not psychologically ill, he must not be punished. If he is mentally ill, too bad the daughter was born to parents who were ill. Its a trial for her from Allah. We all have had our trials in past, and will continue to do so till death. Hers is not the "unique" trial.

No need for emotional hysteria.

akhee, on the surface it all looks wrong for this guy. But then again i do not know the details, we can only speculate.

For the state to have sentenced him means that he most likely had a mental check. I cant even think as to why you would find any reason to defend him?? From what we know he was a drug user, again his own decision to start. And on top of that decided to RAPE his own daughter.... These are the facts, they cant be put any nicer.

I am living a healthy life because i choose to! I am not addicted to drugs, because i stay away from them. Does it mention that the guy has a corrupt pair of genes? Thats amusing how you would think that criminals... BEASTS if you like, can turn around and blame their actions on their bad genes. Common no one is born perfect, but we all have to live with what we have, and have to say alhamdulilah.

 

[GuestFellow]

I am not addicted to drugs, because i stay away from them.

Salaam,

Some people get addicted to drugs because it is a way to cope with very difficult problems. They do need support. Like smoking. Lashing a person for smoking is not going to work. However, to help them and educate people about the dangers of smoking is better and actually works.

Not saying the rapist should not be punished unless he was mentally disturbed.

 

[Ramadhan]

Imagine after burying them alive you discovered they were not guilty - what should happen then?

The death sentence is after they are proved guilty, of course.

One of the best thing about Islam is that when an innocent mistake occurs, everyone will get their just rewards in the hereafter as Allah is The Just.
Not so in any other religion.

 

[Mikayeel]

:wa:

@ Tragic Typos

You see what your saying is that when life gets tough and your not educated, use drugs! Commit crimes! And then to top it of you will just receive education!

To me akhee that shows weakness in character, something we muslims should not have! When life gets the better of us, WE KNOW its a test! And allah does not burden a soul with more than it can handle! So no such thing as too difficult! Its a test, that we know we can pass.

Fair enough to those that end up using drugs for whatever reason, and are in dire need to receive treatment to stop. But to abuse drugs to the extend of raping, and then beg for help......

I really can't see why anyone would defend this this... yes i say it again BEAST.

 

[Ramadhan]

I could never get behind the death penalty for that same reason. You can't be 100% certain the person is guilty, even if they are found guilty in court, so eventually you WILL be executing innocents. I'd rather err on the side of not killing innocent people even if it means letting a few guilty people live.

In a just and fair court, how many percentages of innocent man sentenced to death, versus the idea of letting a large number of rapists and murderers loose to make devastating destructions of the lives of so many people?

The good thing in Islam is that an innocent person killed will get their recompense in the hereafter.

The whole idea of, we don't really know whether the defendant is truly guilty but we still can sentence him to 58 years of his behind bars, is absurd. If there is any reasonable doubt that the defendant is not guilty, he should not be executed. Hitler was responsible for the deaths of many civilians and there is no doubt in my mind that he was guilty.

Exactly.

 

[Ramadhan]

okay.. so a serious question... I'm not being flippant... or trying to sound stupid... but (please remember i'm a recent revert)
does Shari'a law allow for mental illness in its rulings or drug use? because, if it doesn't ... then a good portion of this thread is moot isnt it? doesn't KSA use Shari'a?
Serena

Truly mentally ill person is not responsible for their actions according to shariah.

But say, someone with sound mind who consciously drink alcohol, then got drunk, then kill an innocent person or rape a woman, then he is still responsible for the crime even if they were not fully in control of their actions at the time of the crime.
The same if you substitute alcohol for any other intoxicant such as drugs.
(there's a reason why prohibition against intoxicants is repeated several times in the Qur'an)

There are ahadeeth that suppport this.

 

[serena77]

thank you brother. In some ways that is simillar to the guilty by mental defect that i'm used to. One thing i've learned is such intoxicants very rarely change who a person is, they may just make certain parts show through more clear than they would in other occasions... and yes i know before anyone comments that addiction can become an illness. My father suffered horribly from that at the same time... he also made his choices.
Serena

 

[CosmicPathos]

are you saying the rape victim is a criminal also? you and your kind sicken me out. And you call yourselves muslims, you got sick kind of justice +o(

if you feel sickened then please do take tylenol and other sedating drugs. yes i call myself muslim and as a muslim I dont go on a killing rampage just cuz someone is blamed to have committed a crime.

 

[CosmicPathos]

:wa:

@ Tragic Typos

You see what your saying is that when life gets tough and your not educated, use drugs! Commit crimes! And then to top it of you will just receive education!

To me akhee that shows weakness in character, something we muslims should not have! When life gets the better of us, WE KNOW its a test! And allah does not burden a soul with more than it can handle! So no such thing as too difficult! Its a test, that we know we can pass.

Fair enough to those that end up using drugs for whatever reason, and are in dire need to receive treatment to stop. But to abuse drugs to the extend of raping, and then beg for help......

I really can't see why anyone would defend this this... yes i say it again BEAST.

are you even aware of factors which play a huge role in drug addictions? You think this person woke up one day and thought "hey, why should not I get addicted to drugs?" No they are not weak. No they do not have shallow character.

Socioeconomic, cultural, genetic, environmental, all sorts of factors play a role in who gets addicted and who does not. Addicted people need help, not condemnation. Just because you are not addicted, it does not mean you have a God-given right to call all those addicted people to have "weak character." Actually, when these addicted people are treated, sometimes they go on to develop stronger character than your holier-than-thou crackpots.

 

[Mikayeel]

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Akhee I am quite aware of the factors involved. And i do feel some sort of sympathy for drug users, and especially if they want to receive help. But that sympathy stops the moment they decide to 'rape' or commit a crime or equal magnitude.

Then they are as liable as much any one else. There is no point beating around the bush, at the end of the day by definition it was their CHOICE to start. Like brother Ramadhan said, if u intoxicate your self and then commit a crime. Then your accountable for it.

So instead of trying to find more reasons to protect a drug abusing raper, I rather look at the daughter. Who is much worse of. May Allah make it easy for her. And punish her low life dad accordingly! Ameen ya rab.

 

[Riana17]

Drunk or not, they should give him millions of lashes before cutting his head in Public

 

[CosmicPathos]

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Akhee I am quite aware of the factors involved. And i do feel some sort of sympathy for drug users, and especially if they want to receive help. But that sympathy stops the moment they decide to 'rape' or commit a crime or equal magnitude.

Then they are as liable as much any one else. There is no point beating around the bush, at the end of the day by definition it was their CHOICE to start. Like brother Ramadhan said, if u intoxicate your self and then commit a crime. Then your accountable for it.

So instead of trying to find more reasons to protect a drug abusing raper, I rather look at the daughter. Who is much worse of. May Allah make it easy for her. And punish her low life dad accordingly! Ameen ya rab.

logical fallacy. People with psychiatric illness never "decide" to commit crimes.

the second bold part, that applies to those who are not addicts. So yes, if a girl drinks socially and after that sleeps with the man, then yes, cut her head off as you suggest. But if someone is addicted, has mental illness, does not differentiate right from wrong, there is no "sin" upon them. Addicted people never "choose" to intoxicate themselves.