2012 and islam

[Rabi'ya]

were there not people walking around on the eve of the year 2000 saying the world was going to end?

 

[Salahudeen]

I don't they're saying the world's gonna end, they're saying there's gonna be a big change upon the earth, where there is or not only Allah knows.

 

[Ramadhan]

Whether or not there will be a big change in December 2012, it is should be of no interest to us. As muslims, we are supposed to keep improving our iman and takwa all the time, so even if the world ends tomorrow, we should be ready. Insya Allah.

 

[Muezzin]

This thing makes me laugh. I'm convinced that the people on the Internet who claim to believe it are

A) Misinformed

B) Being ironic*

or

C) Wearing tin-foil hats.

Why arbitrarily isolate this calendar? If the ancient Mayans are right about that date, surely they're right about other things - so why not take into account the civilisation's other behaviours? I mean, the ancient Mayans also practiced human sacrifice. You know, ripping out living people's hearts to offer them to their gods? Do people really think this civilisation is the most reliable source?


*or they might simply be promoting Roland Emmerich's new movie.

 

[Salahudeen]

^ lol, the fact that makes me think twice about it is, somethings going to happen in the solar system that happens once every 25,000 years, and the last time it happened it was the end of the ice age or something. There's going to 3 eclipses also that year. I don't believe it but remain skeptical due to the 1 in every 25,000 years event. and last time it happened there was a big change or something on the Earth, can't remember now lol.

 

[Caller الداعي]

salams
only Allah knows when events before the final day will occur everyone else has and will be guessing so i dont think setting a date just because an extinct civilisation predicited 2012 is something we should worry about!
instead of worrying about the precise time of the end of the world maybe we should have more concern about our actions and deeds and is Allah going to be plzd with us in the state we r in? basically we should maybe work to become better muslims rather than spend valuable time and money in research of the the date of the final hour like nasa spending billions on space missions to see if water is on mars and ppl in its own country have no jobs and r in poverty ??? something to think about

 

[Alphadude]

This thing makes me laugh. I'm convinced that the people on the Internet who claim to believe it are

A) Misinformed

B) Being ironic*

or

C) Wearing tin-foil hats.

Why arbitrarily isolate this calendar? If the ancient Mayans are right about that date, surely they're right about other things - so why not take into account the civilisation's other behaviours? I mean, the ancient Mayans also practiced human sacrifice. You know, ripping out living people's hearts to offer them to their gods? Do people really think this civilisation is the most reliable source?


*or they might simply be promoting Roland Emmerich's new movie.

well there is canibals lol still they are around
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism
and the mayans did not say the world will end they said there will be a major change on solar system and it will effect the earth watch the video

^ lol, the fact that makes me think twice about it is, somethings going to happen in the solar system that happens once every 25,000 years, and the last time it happened it was the end of the ice age or something. There's going to 3 eclipses also that year. I don't believe it but remain skeptical due to the 1 in every 25,000 years event. and last time it happened there was a big change or something on the Earth, can't remember now lol.

me 2

 

[cat eyes]

i had a dream that the day of judgement was going to be in 2056:giggling: i think its best to leave it with Allah. for Allah swt is the only one who know's but the facts from islam 2012 were a very good read:statisfie

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you khalid84;

You have more than enough things in your life to deal with, you have no real need to add any more problems to your life.

If the world is going to end in three years time, then so be it, this is in the hands of God and there is nothing you or I can do about it. What we can do is live each day always one day at a time serving our Lord for the next three years. We can still thank God for every day he has giiven us.

In the spirit of praying for an inner peace that surpasses all understanding

Eric

 

[Sampharo]

The Mayans predictions are not based on anything false such as magic or horoscopes or the like of these absurd ways. They were a very intelligent people who used to be great scientists in maths, astronomy and I don't know what else.

?!?!?!?!? You're joking, right? Those are the same ones who slaughtered thousands of their own villagers to please their Gods and thought solar eclipses were their Gods telling them stuff.

I don't understand what you are looking for here, brother Khaled. Tanjeem and attempting to foretell anything in the hidden past or future by unrelated "indications" whether it is star positions or whether it is animal movements or throwing bones in the air or seeking obscure deductions in mathematical patterns is a direct product of idol-worshipping and relies on the concept that "unknown forces" or gods that are in action and have failed to "cover their tracks". The simple belief in such matters negates Islamic faith at its core. Additionally the scientific community have found that these predictions are hogwash brought up every now and then and always failing to materialize, only to disappear then and new ones start coming up.

What you are doing in propagating them and saying "what about it?" and "Isn't it interesting" is enjoining on wrong and evil, brother. It is not innocent fun.

May God guide us and maintain our faith.

Wassalam

 

[Muezzin]

well there is canibals lol still they are around
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism

And if a cannibal told you the world was going to go through a 'great change' in about three years, would you believe him or her?

and the mayans did not say the world will end they said there will be a major change on solar system and it will effect the earth watch the video

As other members have said, we shouldn't be concerning ourselves with the so-called predictions of ancient soothsayers.

According to someone or other, the world was supposed to end in the year 2000. Remember when that happened?

Also, in all seriousness, I'm going to close this thread for the duration of Ramadhan. Discussion of such predictions is inappropriate at this time. The thread can be re-opened after Ramadhan inshallah.

 

[aliadams]

Quran chapter #55 (Ar-Rahmaan) has 31 repetitions of:

“فَبِأَىِّ ءَالَآءِ رَبِّكُمَا تُكَذِّبَانِ”
“What other bounties of your Sustainer do you still belie?”

The sum of the verse positions of the repeated verse is:
13 + 16 + 18 + 21 + 23 + 25 + 28 + 30 + 32 +
34 + 36 + 38 + 40 + 42 + 45 + 47 + 49 + 51 +
53 + 55 + 57 + 59 + 61 + 63 + 65 + 67 + 69 +
71 + 73 + 75 + 77
= 1433

This chapter consists of 355 words, the same number of days of a Hijr year.

So the number 1433 maybe a reference to the year 1433 Hijri which maps to 2012 AD and every repeation of the above verse maps to four days in the year 1433 AH or from 7 Jan 2012 to 7 Nov 2012, and Allah knows best.

Full details can be downloaded from:


Ali Adams
<prime numbers are God's signature>

 

[titus]

Mayan leaders say that the belief that their calendar ends in 2012 is gibberish. If people are telling you different they are making money off of it.

Article

I have seen a few Mayans interviewed on TV the last few weeks because of this stuff and they have all said pretty much the same thing. It seems everyone believes the Mayan calendar ends in 2012 except the Mayans.

 

[aliadams]

Quran and 2012

بِسْمِ ٱللَّهِ ٱلرَّحْمَٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ

In the name of God, Allah,
the most Merciful qualitatively,
the most Merciful quantitatively

Salam All,

Thanks to Allah Almighty I have been shown a hidden reference to the year 2012 in the Quran.

But first I want you all to know that the Hour can come at the blink of an eye or even nearer according to Quran 16:77:

أعوذ بالله من الشيطٰن الرجيم بِسْمِ ٱللَّهِ ٱلرَّحْمَٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ
وَلِلَّهِ غَيْبُ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضِ ۚ وَمَآ أَمْرُ ٱلسَّاعَةِ إِلَّا كَلَمْحِ ٱلْبَصَرِ أَوْ هُوَ أَقْرَبُ ۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَىْءٍۢ قَدِيرٌ
"To Allah belongs the Unseen of heavens and earth and The Hour can come at the blink of an eye, or even nearer. Truly! Allah is capable of doing anything."


1) Chapter #55 (Ar-Rahmaan) has 31 repetitions of:

“فَبِأَىِّ ءَالَآءِ رَبِّكُمَا تُكَذِّبَانِ”
"What other bounties of your Sustainer do you still belie?”

2) The sum of the repeated verse numbers is:
13 + 16 + 18 + 21 + 23 + 25 + 28 + 30 + 32 +
34 + 36 + 38 + 40 + 42 + 45 + 47 + 49 + 51 +
53 + 55 + 57 + 59 + 61 + 63 + 65 + 67 + 69 +
71 + 73 + 75 + 77
= 1433

3) The number 1433 might be a reference to the year 1433 Hijri (i.e. 2012AD).

4) This chapter consists of 355 words (including bismAllah).

5) The number of days in a Hijri year is either 354 or 355 days.

6) The year 1433AH has 355 days as its days per month are as follows:
30+29+30+30+29+30+30+29+30+29+30+29 = 355 days.
Source: [http://www.islamicfinder.org/Hcal/hdate_year.php?year=1433&base=h]

7) If indeed the number 1433 is a pointer to the Hijri year 1433AH then every repetition of the above four-word verse maps to four days in the year 1433AH which would be starting on 7 Jan 2012 and ending on 7 Nov 2012, and Allah knows best.

8) The same 31 verse numbers also point to the year 1619AH (2192AD) so the Universe will not implode into a point on 21 Dec 2012.

BTW, 1433, 1619 and 1709 (from the Quranic initials) are all prime numbers with prime digits sums. Just like chapter #1 (Al-Fatiha or The Key) which has 7 verses, 29 words and 139 letters all of which are primes with prime digits sums too.

May Allah bless us all with guidance to the Right Path in sha Allah.

Salam

Ali Adams
God > infinity

Full details here:

 

[Sampharo]

Re: Quran and 2012

7) If indeed the number 1433 is a pointer to the Hijri year 1433AH then every repetition of the above four-word verse maps to four days in the year 1433AH which would be starting on 7 Jan 2012 and ending on 7 Nov 2012, and Allah knows best.

Assalamu Alaikom,

I only wish to be of benefit and hope that you will take these points with understanding.

First, actually 1433 Hijri starts in 26th November 2011 (as per your link as well), not January 7th 2012. And regardless of that, based on that it ends on November 14th 2012, the year 1433 will end more than a month before the famous date of December 21, 2012, and therefore the entire chain of deductions and conclusions of the number of verses referring by addition and exclusion and then combination towards 1433 becomes irrelevent.

Second, mathematical miracles in the Quran are numerous, but straightforward and point to direct representation. Like Land is mentioned in relation to Sea in a direct ratio as it is on Earth, or number of times "Day" appears is exactly the same as that of "Night". It is never to be used in such 6-degrees of relations type compilation then addition then connections, and certainly not to point at a time of an event specially the date of judgement day that God specifically said will not be revealed.

Third, it was already discussed here that Mayan civilization did not make such an indication of a doom's day, they merely had a calendar that finished its cycle on that day, and since they disappeared they never bothered increasing it, much like computer world had a calender cycle date that ended in December 1999, and they fixed things a few years before.

Last, it is Islamically forbidden to listen to soothsayers and fortunetellers of the future, and a great sin to do so. It is a lie anyway and will always will be a lie that people or "oracles" know the future.

In this specific case, believing that a civilization knew of the end of the World would mean that one is suggesting that the prophet -pbuh- was uninspired and lying when he said that God hid the knowledge of judgement day from all beings, bar none.

And may God be our Guide

 

[Muslim Woman]

...some poeple say 2012 has been mentioned in quran?

Quran does not have any such verse . To my knowledge , there is no such hadith also.

Jesus pbuh will come and if I am not mistaken. according to a hadith he will live forty years in this world. So , I don't think we are going to have the final day on 2012. And Allah knows Best.

When someone asked the Prophet pbuh about the last day , Prophet pbuh asked something like that what did u do to face Allah on the final day ? Let's ask ourselves the same question : are we ready to meet our Lord ?

 

[aliadams]

Re: Quran and 2012

First, actually 1433 Hijri starts in 26th November 2011 (as per your link as well), not January 7th 2012. And regardless of that, based on that it ends on November 14th 2012, the year 1433 will end more than a month before the famous date of December 21, 2012, and therefore the entire chain of deductions and conclusions of the number of verses referring by addition and exclusion and then combination towards 1433 becomes irrelevent.

No one said the years start then, the 31 events will start on the 44th day of the hijri year 1433AH as per the 44th word of the chapter to say "Fabiayee ...) which will in sha Allah be 7-Jan-2012 and last ".... tukhathibaan" ends at word 349 or day 349 of 1433AH = 7-Nov-2012

Second, mathematical miracles in the Quran are numerous, but straightforward and point to direct representation. Like Land is mentioned in relation to Sea in a direct ratio as it is on Earth, or number of times "Day" appears is exactly the same as that of "Night". It is never to be used in such 6-degrees of relations type compilation then addition then connections, and certainly not to point at a time of an event specially the date of judgment day that God specifically said will not be revealed.

This new system is based on Al-Fatiha, so it opens the Quran for us using its prime numbers. So please read the booklet first and then judge for yourself. Btw, prime numbers are the Queen of Mathematics for their mysteries and there is a million dollar prize to whoever cracks them. See the booklet as well.

Third, it was already discussed here that Mayan civilization did not make such an indication of a doom's day, they merely had a calendar that finished its cycle on that day, and since they disappeared they never bothered increasing it, much like computer world had a calender cycle date that ended in December 1999, and they fixed things a few years before.

No Mayan calendar in involved in my calculations or even hadiths. All from the Quran a with a proper not random research methodology (as detailed in the booklet), no adding apples and oranges as other so-called numerologists do. And by the way Allah showed me a new numerology system based on primes (Primalogy) and confirmed it with both Al-Fatiha and Al-Ikhlaas (see booklet).

The old Abjad system is satanic to say the least.

Last, it is Islamically forbidden to listen to soothsayers and fortunetellers of the future, and a great sin to do so. It is a lie anyway and will always will be a lie that people or "oracles" know the future.

Agreed

In this specific case, believing that a civilization knew of the end of the World would mean that one is suggesting that the prophet -pbuh- was uninspired and lying when he said that God hid the knowledge of judgment day from all beings, bar none.

No one is talking about the end of the world, only 31 events each lasting four days as per chapter 44 Al-Dukhaan.

Plus I already said that with the year 2192 to come if Allah doesn't fold this virtual reality sooner and judgment day becomes NOW.

You are free to read it and comment, but not comment unwisely without reading.

I will welcome all comments if anyone is serious enough I will be happy to explain it in full details.

FINALLY instead of closing the door as Muslims you should investigate why Allah has built chapter The Key (Al-Fatiha) on prime numbers and see how can we use it to open the rest of the Quran, The Message.

Quran 114 chapter = 1 chapter The Key + 113 chapters of The Message
Quran 6236 verses = 7 in chapter The Key + 6229 in the 113 chapters of The Message.

All 1, 7, 113, 6229 are also primes with prime digits sums (called additive prime numbers).

Wa3alakum AsSalaam.

Ali
prime numbers are God's signature.

 

[M.B]

None has the knowledge except of ALLAh the Exalted.


سُوۡرَةُ الاٴعرَاف
يَسۡـَٔـــلُوۡنَكَ عَنِ السَّاعَةِ اَيَّانَ مُرۡسٰٮهَا *ؕ قُلۡ اِنَّمَا عِلۡمُهَا عِنۡدَ رَبِّىۡ* ۚ لَا يُجَلِّيۡهَا لِوَقۡتِهَاۤ اِلَّا هُوَۘ *ؕؔ ثَقُلَتۡ فِى السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالۡاَرۡضِ*ؕ لَا تَاۡتِيۡكُمۡ اِلَّا بَغۡتَةً * ؕ يَسۡـــَٔلُوۡنَكَ كَاَنَّكَ حَفِىٌّ عَنۡهَا ؕ قُلۡ اِنَّمَا عِلۡمُهَا عِنۡدَ اللّٰهِ وَلٰـكِنَّ اَكۡثَرَ النَّاسِ لَا يَعۡلَمُوۡنَ‏ ﴿۱۸۷﴾ قُلْ لَّاۤ اَمۡلِكُ لِنَفۡسِىۡ نَـفۡعًا وَّلَا ضَرًّا اِلَّا مَا شَآءَ اللّٰهُ* ؕ وَلَوۡ كُنۡتُ اَعۡلَمُ الۡغَيۡبَ لَاسۡتَكۡثَرۡتُ مِنَ الۡخَيۡرِ ۖ *ۛۚ وَمَا مَسَّنِىَ السُّۤوۡءُ* *ۛۚ اِنۡ اَنَا اِلَّا نَذِيۡرٌ وَّبَشِيۡرٌ لِّقَوۡمٍ يُّؤۡمِنُوۡنَ‏ ﴿۱۸۸﴾

Al-Araf
They ask thee of the (destined) Hour, when will it come to port. Say: Knowledge thereof is with my Lord only. He alone will manifest it at its proper time. It is heavy in the heavens and the earth. It cometh not to you save unawares. They question thee as if thou couldst be well informed thereof. Say: Knowledge thereof is with Allah only, but most of mankind know not. (187) Say: For myself I have no power to benefit, nor power to hurt, save that which Allah willeth. Had I knowledge of the Unseen, I should have abundance of wealth, and adversity would not touch me. I am but a warner, and a bearer of good tidings unto folk who believe. (188)




This thing called 2012 is a thing made up just to decrease the iman of each and every soul.

Is this a movie ?? is it coming out in cinemas someone told me that it would come out in cinemas.

 

[Alphadude]

Mayan leaders say that the belief that their calendar ends in 2012 is gibberish. If people are telling you different they are making money off of it.

Article

I have seen a few Mayans interviewed on TV the last few weeks because of this stuff and they have all said pretty much the same thing. It seems everyone believes the Mayan calendar ends in 2012 except the Mayans.

the mayan civilization does not exist how come they have been interviewed^o)

http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070326011224AA9qShX

 

[Innocent Soul]

what is mayan calender? :embarrass