2012... or ...2022

[sur]

This post might look jumbled up coz I tried to keep it as short as possible.

....... a sufficiently zealous conspiracy theorist can retroactively dub a given person a Freemason ......

I, the "conspiracy-theorist" dubbing these movie-makers as "freemasons" would like to point out some of the symbols of freemasonry seen in these movies.......

*In "The Knowing", pyramid with all-seeing-eye is more than obvious & through which kid "the chosen ppl" sees jungles & animals on fire (minutes:1:52... & 2:47) ........i.e., kid "the chosen ppl" is foretold by supernatural beings through the "eye in pyramid" that world is going to end.......


*In "Book-of-Eli" in 1st fight of the hero, u can see window with pyramid shape, with a sun & rays, sun being right behind head of Eli(hero) (minutes:1:07)...... & also see the typical double-staircase of masonry in background.... & "compass & square"s on facade of top-slab joining the 2 staircases ........ Lady with Mason's Apron(min:1:10).......

.......when through sheer coincidence, real life happens to resemble an existing Hollywood movie that person happened to direct or produce. I mean, seriously, where do these fallacies end?

What a sheer co-incidence that Obama & Bob Graham etc repeatedly pointing out threat of a nuclear attack by Pakistani trained terrorists comes in combo with sudden surge in movies on "massive-destruction" & "end-of-the-world" kind of topics........ Some of these depicting only "chosen-ppl-being-saved"......

In short time we have:-
-The Knowing
-2012
-The Road
-Daybreakers
-Book of ELI(Eli means God in bible)
-Legion
all with one thing in common, massive destruction in the world.....



Freemasons/illuminati etc use "Kabala" the jewish magic, to invoke jinns(the supernatural beings)*** ..... "The Knowing" shows what Jews believe. They consider themselves as "chosen-ppl" & believe they'll be saved by their messiah & rest of the world will be destroyed & then repopulated as paradise..... they don't believe in heavenly paradise. They believe this very earth will become paradise for them, exactly what's shown in The Knowing.....
In The Knowing/Legion/2012 only chosen ppl r saved........


There's a tradition(don't know about it's authenticity) where Umar(r.a) went to jews & they told him Gabriel was their enemy & that ArchAngel Michael was their friend........ That's when this verse was revealed Quran:2:98:"Whoever is an enemy of God or his angels or his apostles or Jibril or Mikal, verily God is an enemy of the unbelievers."

In movie "Legion" they show ArchAngel Michael becomes a Falen Angel & protects the "chosen-ppl" from other Angels(Daniel:10:13:Michael warrior & advocate for israel)...... & the chosen person is a baby in a pregnant lady, messiah for chosen-ppl........


Now do these movies reflect mentality of a particular group or NOT...!!! or may be it's just conspiracy theorists' immagination
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Quran:72:4:And that the foolish amongst us(Jinns) used to forge extravagant things against Allah:

72:6:And that persons from among men used to invoke the refuge with persons from among jinn, so they increased them in wrongdoing:


72:8:'And we (jinns) pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 432
Narrated 'Aisha:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The angels descend, the clouds and mention this or that matter decreed in the Heaven. The devils listen stealthily to such a matter, come down to inspire the soothsayers with it, and the latter would add to it one-hundred lies of their own."

"When I want power i go to source of power" said a jinn/spirit worshiper(Minutes:4:40)

 

[Muezzin]

This post might look jumbled up coz I tried to keep it as short as possible.


I, the "conspiracy-theorist" dubbing these movie-makers as "freemasons" would like to point out some of the symbols of freemasonry seen in these movies.......


*In "The Knowing", pyramid with all-seeing-eye is more than obvious & through which kid "the chosen ppl" sees jungles & animals on fire (minutes:1:52... & 2:47) ........i.e., kid "the chosen ppl" is foretold by supernatural beings through the "eye in pyramid" that world is going to end......


*In "Book-of-Eli" in 1st fight of the hero, u can see window with pyramid shape, with a sun & rays, sun being right behind head of Eli(hero) (minutes:1:07)...... & also see the typical double-staircase of masonry in background.... & "compass & square"s on facade of top-slab joining the 2 staircases ........ Lady with Mason's Apron(min:1:10).......

I can't comment on those two films because I have not seen them.

What a sheer co-incidence that Obama & Bob Graham etc repeatedly pointing out threat of a nuclear attack by Pakistani trained terrorists comes in combo with sudden surge in movies on "massive-destruction" & "end-of-the-world" kind of topics........ Some of these depicting only "chosen-ppl-being-saved"......

I think you have cause and effect mixed up. Disaster movies have always been popular. The end of the world has always been popular, in literature, movies and even video games. Now that computer effects can convincingly portray massive scale destruction, the movie industry makes films on such a scale. It's for spectacle. It's fun to watch. It sells tickets.

Also, the state of geopolitics being the way they are, I'm not surprised at the quantity of apocalyptic movies - which is to say, the movie industry, taking advantage of public fear or paranoia, capitalises upon it by producing films that can exploit that fear or paranoia, milking it for all the money it is worth.

In short time we have:-
-The Knowing

Not seen it.

-2012

Not seen it. However, disaster movies are director Roland Emmerich’s stock in trade. Why isolate this and exclude Independence Day or The Day After Tomorrow?

-The Road

Based on a novel by Cormac McCarthy, which was published in 2006, and in any case is a variant of the traditional post-apocalyptic science fiction stories popularised in the sixties as a result of public fear of nuclear attack during the Cold War.

Today, that fear survives through the fear of terrorism and rogue states, and so such stories have popular resonance and consequently can potentially turn a decent profit. As long as nuclear weapons exist, so will stories cautioning against their use.

-Daybreakers
-Book of ELI(Eli means God in bible)
-Legion
all with one thing in common, massive destruction in the world.....

Haven't seen any of those films, but if the end of the world is the only thing connecting them, why not chuck Ghostbusters onto that list as well? Or Terminator 1 and 2 (and 3, and 4). Even The Matrix fits there, technically. And possibly Wall-E.

Apocalyptic fiction (stories about the end or destruction of the world) has existed as long as humans.

Freemasons/illuminati etc use "Kabala" the jewish magic, to invoke jinns(the supernatural beings)*** ..... "The Knowing" shows what Jews believe. They consider themselves as "chosen-ppl" & believe they'll be saved by their messiah & rest of the world will be destroyed & then repopulated as paradise.....

I can’t comment on ‘Knowing’ because I haven’t seen it.

However, the concept of ‘chosen people’ and ‘messiahs’ appears in countless myths and world religions. It’s a universally resonant theme, possibly because it appeals to human laziness – why bother to earn your happy ending when you’re fortunate enough to be born into a tribe guaranteed it? Why bother trying to improve the world when a handy-dandy messiah will appear to do the job? Or it could simply function as reassurance – another way of telling people everything will work out all right in the end.

Consequently, the concept of chosen people and messiahs appears in art, literature, theatre, film, comic books and video gaming. The concept of a chosen people is also dramatically resonant and interesting – the hero may not be a ‘chosen one’ (so the audience fears for his safety); the hero may not discover he is a ‘chosen one’ until a key point (so the audience is surprised and elated); the hero may learn that the concept of ‘chosen ones’ is false (so the audience is tense, waiting to see how the hero solves the problem, and to see who or what survives) etc.

they don't believe in heavenly paradise. They believe this very earth will become paradise for them, exactly what's shown in The Knowing..... In The Knowing/Legion/2012 only chosen ppl r saved........

Again, haven’t seen the films so can’t comment on them. However, the concept of a dystopia becoming a utopia is nothing new.

There's a tradition(don't know about it's authenticity) where Umar(r.a) went to jews & they told him Gabriel was their enemy & that ArchAngel Michael was their friend........ That's when this verse was revealed Quran:2:98:"Whoever is an enemy of God or his angels or his apostles or Jibril or Mikal, verily God is an enemy of the unbelievers."

In movie "Legion" they show ArchAngel Michael becomes a Falen Angel & protects the "chosen-ppl" from other Angels(Daniel:10:13:Michael warrior & advocate for israel)...... & the chosen person is a baby in a pregnant lady, messiah for chosen-ppl........

Firstly, I haven’t seen that movie. Secondly, it sounds kind of lame anyway. Thirdly, I’ve seen a variation of that plot in Terminator 1 and 2.

Now do these movies reflect mentality of a particular group or NOT...!!! or may be it's just conspiracy theorists' immagination

I think you give both Hollywood producers and Freemasons far too much credit.

Hollywood is run by businesspeople with bad taste or drug addictions. The main thing such people are concerned with is a decent rate of return. They are not interested in warning the public of upcoming attacks of which they allegedly have knowledge, nor are they interested in preparing the movie-going public for Life After Nukes. Even if they did somehow have knowledge of future events, it would have to be a good two or three years in advance – this being the average production cycle of a film from conception to release. And if they did have cold, hard knowledge of future events, why would they bother showing them to the public in ‘code’? That suggests they are ultimately concerned with things apart from their customers’ money, which frankly is not the case. If a particular political or scientific crisis has permeated the public consciousness and shows signs of staying there for a fair while, rest assured that Hollywood will be there to exploit it.

Freemasons ruling the world doesn’t make much sense if you take into account human selfishness. All human empires have been run by one person. Not a group of equals. A Pharaoh, a Caesar, a King, an Emperor, or a President. Human beings crave power. The more powerful they become, the more they crave – and what they crave most is absolute power, for themselves. Personally. Bearing this in mind, why should Freemasons, as a group of human beings, behave any differently? Why should they behave as a perfectly homogenised hive-mind that make all decisions unanimously for the good of mankind?

This ‘Freemasons rule the world’ thing assumes that they are a bunch of perfect human beings, immune from selfish desires of power, without some overlord who really makes the decisions. Regardless, the theory is also far too simple – anything, [/I]anything[/I] bad in the world is due to the decisions of some mysterious group whom few have ever met, but whose will allegedly shapes the lives of every human being on this planet. This allows believers of the theory to offload all difficulty onto a convenient scapegoat, whose mysterious ways allows anyone to project anything onto that scapegoat. You know how it works – hardly anyone has been to a Freemasons meeting, and even if they have, they wouldn’t talk about it, so anyone can safely say they were talking about anything at all. Making movies. Ruling the world. Who’s to say different?

All that strikes me as far too simple and convenient. The real truth is that throughout human history, often one power-hungry person’s desires has granted him dominion over a tribe, a people, a country. Obviously he couldn’t have got there without the people below him, but that’s the point of hierarchies – everybody knows who’s boss. Boss. Singular. And when things go wrong, and these power-hungry people panic, they tend to revert to caveman reactions of stupidly committing violence bound to escalate the crisis.

 

[ardianto]

Chris Rock's comedy Head of State in 2003 showed that a black american becomes president....
It actually happened in ...Feb-2007 when Obama announced candidacy for presidency & took office in Jan-2009

In "Deep Impact" (1998), the black actor Morgan Freeman act as U.S President.
Now Obama has becomes U.S president, and is it means a comet will hit earth soon ?.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Impact_(film)

 

[sur]

In "Deep Impact" (1998), the black actor Morgan Freeman act as U.S President.
Now Obama has becomes U.S president, and is it means a comet will hit earth soon ?.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Impact_(film)

& they named that spaceship their "Messiah"....(Minutes:1:30)


What a co-incidence, that what u brought up is very similar to what l have been looking for.... I was avoiding to post about it because I couldn't find that piece of evidence i am looking for....


Sometime back I herd about a NASA scientist who migrated from nazi Germany to USA & helped develop US spsce program. He once said that they'll use some excuses to keep space program running.... 1st cold war then terrorism then meteorites & then extraterristerial beings.....

Though I haven't been able to find that exact video but some others on nazi scientists are here (1, 2, )


An ex-freemason was asked if illuminati were expecting space-ships to come from above..... he replied NO, they are expecting "Meteorites" & then "Extraterristerial beings"......

There's hadees of Prophet that says Jesus will come supporting his hands on wings of two angels...... "extraterrestrials" !!!!


InshALLAH,I'll come back if I found proper supporting stuff on this topic,.... otherwise, so long.

 

[Muezzin]

What's that verse about Allah being the best of all planners?

 

[sur]

What's that verse about Allah being the best of all planners?

Exactly,,, that's why I said (last three lines here) that it'll NOT happen InshALLAH, even though that's their plan. Like their USS Liberty plan foiled, plan of new false flag will also fail.

I also said they'll instead turn against another weak target, for human "sacrifices", like now it's Yemen, soon it'll be Syria....


But these 2 will not take a serious hit like Iraq took, because Prophet prayed for these 2, while kept silent on Iraq... Because he knew that a "trial" (horn of devil) will come on Iraq....


Bukhari:2:17:147:
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

(The Prophet) said, "O Allah! Bless our Sham and our Yemen." People said, "Our Najd(other hadees says "Iraq") as well." The Prophet again said, "O Allah! Bless our Sham and Yemen." They said again, "Our Najd as well." On that the Prophet said, "There will appear earthquakes and afflictions, and from there will come out the side of the head of Satan."

(About location of najd)

"O Allah bestow your blessings on our Medina, and bestow your blessings on our Mecca, and bestow your blessings on our Sham, and bestow your blessings on our Yemen, and bestow your blessings in our measuring (fee saa`inaa wa muddinaa)." A person said, "O Messenger of Allah and in our Iraq" and so he turned away from him and said, "there will occur earthquakes, trials and tribulations and there will appear the horn of Satan."



I also mentioned that "Mongols" started attack from present day Afghanistan & worst damage was done to Afghanistan & Iraq (same what NATO's doing now).... while muslims started taking back their lands starting from Syria.....

Nostradamus said "King of Terror" will bring back to life "King of Mongols".... half of that has already happened.... time to fight back starting from Syria is near.... InshALLAH.


Comets they r expecting will come from muslims, that's why the spaceship was named by them as "Messiah"(Maseeh-al-dajjal)... who they expect will save them from meteorites comming from muslims.... & then They also expect extraterrestrials(Angels) to bring Eesa with them...(take care of metaphors)

 

[sur]

.......Crypto-jews are well known phenomenon........ Likewise, there are fake muslims, who are actually agents of RAW/Mosad etc.... .....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB7cF2XEId4

Alexander Litvinenko, Russian spy, poisoned to death by radioactive material,,, converted to islam 2-10 days before his death...

He told that Aymen al-Zawahiri was actually trained by FSB(KGB)..... Former KGB officer and writer Konstantin Preobrazhenskiy supported Litvinenko's claim and said that Litvinenko "was responsible for securing the secrecy of Al-Zawahiri's arrival in Russia, who was trained by FSB instructors in Dagestan, Northern Caucasus, in 1996-1997."

 

[sur]

O Allah bestow your blessings on our Medina, and bestow your blessings on our Mecca, and bestow your blessings on our Sham, and bestow your blessings on our Yemen, and bestow your blessings in our measuring (fee saa`inaa wa muddinaa)." A person said, "O Messenger of Allah and in our Iraq" and so he turned away from him and said, "there will occur earthquakes, trials and tribulations and there will appear the horn of Satan."

Makkah/Madina<<<Sham<<<Yemen<<<Iraq<<<

Just by-the-way eye on dollar bill is LEFT eye,,, Dajjal's right eye is defective while he sees through left one



Another False - Flag by CIA & frnds...... CNN/Fox wouldn't have shown this if it was not for other non-main stream media exposing this... CNN/Fox had to save face.....

This guy was "trained" in Yemen.... Boarded on plane without passport, by a secret agent.


BBC-News:-Yemen: New frontier in US 'war on terror'


Sham is next.... from where they would come towards Maccah/Madina but will be swallowed by earth(Hadees)...


Hadees says Roman forces will land in Al-Dabiq.
This is a place where Sham & Turkey faught a war. It is 40+ Km north of حلب Halab(Aleppo)(map-use scale given on left-lower corner).

If u go about 40+ Km north of Halab(Aleppo), now, it's Shams border with Turkey... So Like US conned Pak-istan into giving it's bases for launching attack... It will use Turkey as base...

(W'ALLAH ho Alam)

 

[sur]

Two suicide bombers & one technician were preparing for an attack inside Pakistan. Technician took photograph of others with jackets on & then the two went to the other room. Jackets accidently exploded killing technician. One suicidal was trapped in rubble & caught by Pak forces. They are being funded by indians, trained in Afghanistan kept as guest by Karzai.

Here is the interview of one caught alive......

1, 2, 3,

 

[sur]

...Hadees says Roman forces will land in Al-Dabiq.
This is a place where Sham & Turkey faught a war. It is 40+ Km north of حلب Halab(Aleppo)(map-use scale given on left-lower corner).
....(W'ALLAH ho Alam)

Nostradamus wrote his dreams, around year 1555;-

"From the marine tributary city*,(from Pakistan)
the shaven head(Roman forces/NATO/skinhead) will take up the satrapy**(Tribal-persian land/Afghanistan);
to chase the sordid man(Osama) who will the be against him.
For fourteen years he will hold the tyranny.(2001+14 = 2015)
(whitehouse said US out of Afghan. by 2017/Obama said by 2103/ Average 2015)


He will come to expose the false topography,(war on terror based of falsehood/us invaded iraq to expose nukes)
the urns of the tombs will be opened.
Sect of holy philosophy to thrive,(fast spread of islam)
black for white and the new for the old.(change occuring/black president)


Beyond the city of the Insubrian lands***,(Italy;travel in those days were by sea)(seiege of Syria)
for seven years the siege will be laid;(2015+7 = 2022;time around 2nd upcoming Solar Maximum)
a very great king enters it,(Hadees says Mahdi will rule for 7 years)
the city is then free, away from its enemies.(Mahdi will defeat Romans)


The deep entry(indo-pak region) made by the great Queen
will make the place powerful and inaccessible;
the army of the three lions will be defeated(in indo-pak region)
causing within a thing hideous and terrible.


The prince(Eesa/Jesus) who has little pity of mercy
will come through death(Eesa escapes death) to change (and become) very knowledgeable.
The kingdom will be attended with great tranquillity,
when the great one will soon be fleeced."

*Marine Tributary City

**
Satrap
1. A governor of a province in ancient Persia.(area ruled by such = Satrapy)
2. A ruler.
3. A subordinate bureaucrat or official

***
Insubria = Italy,
Nostradamus was sitting in France, if u travel by sea "beyond" & around Insubria, from direction of France, u end up in Turkey/Syrian region.... Al-Dabiq is the place, Prophet Muhammad(saww) said, Romans will land in to beseige Syria, This Al-Dabiq is now border b/w Turkey & Syria....

 

[Samiun]

Al-Dabiq? Wasn't it Syria...?

Who's Nostradamus anyway? No one could predict the future, although he predicted some events and went true but I believe it's a coincidence

 

[sur]

well i said in the message fine but wait here you are saying he was undercover in the circles of that guy but in any video he doesn't say anything like this.
things with this undercover story doesn't make any sense to me
sorry but doubt still remains now

No secret agent will come tell u openly that he's an agent, unless he has left the agency. All u gonna get is hints....

In this video an ex-ISI chief Hameed Gul, is in the audience watching Zaid Hamid....

 

[waji]

No secret agent will come tell u openly that he's an agent, unless he has left the agency. All u gonna get is hints....

In this video an ex-ISI chief Hameed Gul, is in the audience watching Zaid Hamid....

so what if he is there ??

 

[sur]

Bumping some of old threads.


& following thread was closed for Ramazhan but wasn't re-opened, so I cannot bump it.

http://www.islamicboard.com/world-affairs/134283395-indian-drama-mumbai-attacks.html

 

[sur]

In their own words, what they say about their future,,,,,
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"Prophecy of POPEs" says that present pope is 2nd last (111th)pope & after him will come last (112th) pope(Peter of Rome)..... LAST pope???!!! is christianity going to end after that???

There's unconfirmed news that Freemasons have started selling their Lodges in USA...!!! Why?

Here's what Prophecy of Popes' says about last pope...
112 Peter the Roman, who will nourish the sheep in many tribulations; when they are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the fearsome Judge will judge His people. The End.

*"City of 7 hills" = Italy-Rome.Rome represented"Christianity"during Prophet Muhammad's time & when this prophecy was written

*Fearsome judge(c.f.2nd Hadees Below) = Eesa(Jesus)

*Peter Romanus = Dajjal!!!???(But Dajjal would be a jew!!! This could be reconsiled by taking in account phenomenon of Crypto-Jews & also that Freemasons follow Jewinsh mysticism/magic "Kabalah"...!!!)


Sahih Muslim:41:6924:-Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour would not come until the Romans would land at al-A'maq or in Dabiq(border region b/w Syria & Turkey). An army consisting of the best (soldiers) of the people of the earth at that time will come from Medina (to counteract them). When they will arrange themselves in ranks, the Romans would say: Do not stand between us and those (Muslims) who took prisoners from amongst us. Let us fight with them; and the Muslims would say: Nay, by Allah, we would never get aside from you and from our brethren that you may fight them. They will then fight and a third (part) of the army would run away, whom Allah will never forgive. A third (part of the army). which would be constituted of excellent martyrs in Allah's eye, would be killed and the third who would never be put to trial would win and they would be conquerors of Constantinople. And as they would be busy in distributing the spoils of war (amongst themselves) after hanging their swords by the olive trees, the Satan would cry: The Dajjal has taken your place among your family. They would then come out, but it would be of no avail. And when they would come to Syria, he would come out while they would be still preparing themselves for battle drawing up the ranks. Certainly, the time of prayer shall come and then Jesus (peace be upon him) son of Mary would descend and would lead them in prayer. When the enemy of Allah would see him, it would (disappear) just as the salt dissolves itself in water and if he (Jesus) were not to confront them at all, even then it would dissolve completely, but Allah would kill them by his hand and he would show them their blood on his lance (the lance of Jesus Christ).


Bukhari:4:55:657: Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely (Jesus,) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly (judge by Quranic law NOT bible; Hadees 658); he will break the Cross and kill the pigs and there will be no Jizya (i.e. taxation taken from non Muslims). Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it, and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than the whole world and whatever is in it." Abu Huraira added "If you wish, you can recite (this verse of the Holy Book): -- 'And there is none Of the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (i.e. Jesus as an Apostle of Allah and a human being) Before his death. And on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness Against them." (4.159) (See Fateh Al Bari, Page 302 Vol. 7)


compare "will break cross" to another prophecy by christians themselves... "Our Lady of Fatima's" "Third Secret"

 

[samzee]

Al-Dabiq? Wasn't it Syria...?

Who's Nostradamus anyway? No one could predict the future, although he predicted some events and went true but I believe it's a coincidence

I read somewhere that Nostradamus was may be connected to a jinn. Jinns often used to be able to eavesdrop on the lowest heaven to learn of the future and transmit it to Nostradamus .

 

[Samiun]

I read somewhere that Nostradamus was may be connected to a jinn. Jinns often used to be able to eavesdrop on the lowest heaven to learn of the future and transmit it to Nostradamus .

I wonder why would brother Sur take any word from this man. Brother Sur could you tell us why you're linking nostradamus to end of the world?