23 proofs of Israel's defeat in the 23-day war

['Abd-al Latif]

Substituting news reporting for loudmouth opinion makers! I am not sure if that is a good strategy if you are "sincere" about getting accurate information.

Do you hate him or what he says?

 

[KAding]

Do you hate him or what he says?

I don't hate him. But I do not particularly respect Galloway, no. Neither do I generally agree with him. But regardless, you simply can't replace a news source like BBC who have people on the ground with one person with an opinion. He provides filtered second hand information in the form of a diatribe. That simply doesn't cut it if you want to be sincere about getting an accurate picture of a situation.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

I don't hate him. But I do not particularly respect Galloway, no. Neither do I generally agree with him. But regardless, you simply can't replace a news source like BBC who have people on the ground with one person with an opinion. He provides filtered second hand information in the form of a diatribe. That simply doesn't cut it if you want to be sincere about getting an accurate picture of a situation.

From my own personal observation and research i've found BBC and other news channels to convey one sided information, usually which is to promote the image of their own respective country and to aid their allies with all forms of support and cover up their mistakes whenever they slip without the slightest consideration for those who are at war with either them or their allies.

Don't believe me? Here are some very recent articles, the first from timesonline and the other from BBC:

The BBC has broken a 45 year-old agreement with overseas aid charities by refusing to broadcast a Disasters Emergency Committee fundraising appeal for Gaza “to avoid any risk of compromising public confidence in the BBC...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5568735.ece

And also:

The BBC has defended a decision not to air a TV fund-raising appeal for Gaza, saying it wanted to avoid compromising public confidence in its impartiality.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7846150.stm

Is this justice? So those who are in urgent and desprate need for help are being neglected to 'avoid compromising public confidence' ?

To carry on, take for example the issue with Palestine. The western media made Palestine seem as if though it didn't offer any resist against the Israeli army at all and it just got bombarded the whole time.

I agree that buildings were destroyed and Palestine suffered civilian losses more then 10 times that compared to the Israeli's, however I received information from people inside Palestine who witnessed this war with their own eyes. They told me a very different story to what I saw in news channels. These include the capture of Israeli soldiers and the fierce resistance of Hamas, Israel purposly blocking help and support (i.e. medicine and food etc) that was at the Egyption border and at other times even attacking them, to name but a few. Out of all of this, all that was reported in the news was that Israel attacked the Hospitals and only the UN hospitals were mentioned at that.

So coming back to George Galloway, when he says that which he has researched from Historical facts and witnessed the oppression of Israel from his own eyes as well as experiences of his family (mentioned in the video above), but no news channel ever reports any of it, he will be made to seem as a lone person who has no basis for his claims. People don't want to find answers because many believe all the answers lie in the media. This is where the problem occurs, because they (i.e. the news) have edited and prepared for you only that which they want you to see.

There's more to what meets the eye, but you certainly won't find the answers in the news channels.

Have Hamas ever been interviewed? Have their views and thougts ever been aired unedited? It's hard to interview someone when a certian people are trying so hard to kill them.

Have Hizbolla ever been interviewed? Do we know their real aims and objectives? Or do we only know what the BBC (i.e. a third party) has told us?

Have those who are in western countries who feel strongly about this war from the side of Palestine ever been interview and aired unedited?

I think not, all to promote and boast the image of themselves and their allies. Justice in their eyes is everything which glorifies their image through lies and even at the cost of the lives of innocent people. And when you tell people the truth mixed with a few lies, one will believe that all of such-and-such information is the truth.

 

[Trumble]

From my own personal observation and research i've found BBC and other news channels to convey one sided information, usually which is to promote the image of their own respective country and to aid their allies with all forms of support and cover up their mistakes whenever they slip without the slightest consideration for those who are at war with either them or their allies.

Don't believe me? Here are some very recent articles, the first from timesonline and the other from BBC:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5568735.ece

And also:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7846150.stm

Is this justice?

I totally disagree with that decision on the part of the BBC. ITV have got it right.

However, those examples don't really help your case. The article I just linked to makes clear that the government disagrees with the BBC position. I see no reason not to believe that it was actually the result of editorial independence in trying to remain neutral even if, in this case, they got it wrong.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

I totally disagree with that decision on the part of the BBC. ITV have got it right.

However, those examples don't really help your case. The article I just linked to makes clear that the government disagrees with the BBC position. I see no reason not to believe that it was actually the result of editorial independence in trying to remain neutral even if, in this case, they got it wrong.

Thanks, I'm still in the process of finding hard facts regarding this current issue of Gaza Fund Raisers so at the moment I didn't have much apart from those links.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

As the one sided war was going on and Gaza was being mercilessly pounded, I wondered where the rest of the Arab and Muslim world were. Why did not any of the many Arab states in the region send its army to the aid of Palestinians? Why did Hezbollah not lend a helping hand any which way? They did launch some missiles, but stopped when sternly warned by Israel. Before Arab nations were at least willing to go to war with Israel, though they were defeated. Now no one is even challenging Israel. While the 33 days war was no doubt a Hezbollah victory, the Hamas can hardly claim anything of that sort in this 23 days war. Israel wanted the missiles stopped and it has stopped. Maybe Hamas might resume it a year later, but I think a year later Israel would be even bolder in seeking to crush Hamas.

Keep an eye on the news


P.S

Bear also in mind, if Hamas launch a single rocket into Israel then this whole operation was a complete and total loss because they have failed their objectives to neutralize Hamas.

I was waiting for this to happen:

At least three rockets were fired from the Gaza Strip on Sunday, but caused no damage or injuries, police said.

Halting the Palestinian fire was one of Israel's stated aims for the air, naval and ground assault that also caused hundreds of casualties and destroyed much of the territory's infrastructure.

But there has been sporadic rocket fire across the border and a number of Israeli air raids since the truces were announced.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/02/2009219533438613.html

I rest my case, Israel failed miserably in it's objectives.

 

[K.Venugopal]

I was waiting for this to happen:

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/02/2009219533438613.html

I rest my case, Israel failed miserably in it's objectives.

The continued firing of missiles into Israel by Hamas only proves that Israel prematurely stopped its war on the 23rd day. This happened because Israel wanted to schedule its war according to American political convenience. Here Israel should learn a lesson from Hamas. Hamas is fighting its war according to it own convenience, not that of others.

 

[Trumble]

Meanwhile, back in the real world...... again. With the Israelis 'defeated' the 'heroes' of Hamas are finding something else to do with their time.

New evidence has emerged revealing the extent of the crackdown by Hamas during and after Israel's war in Gaza last month.

Amnesty International said Hamas forces and militias were involved in a "campaign of abductions, deliberate and unlawful killings, torture and death threats against those they accuse of 'collaborating' with Israel, as well as opponents and critics". It said at least two dozen men had been shot by Hamas since the end of December and "scores of others" shot in the legs, kneecapped or beaten.Amnesty gave detailed accounts of some of the cases and said there was "incontrovertible evidence" that Hamas security forces and militia were "responsible for grave human rights abuses". Hamas officials have admitted hunting for suspected collaborators, but they have denied this campaign of attacks.

Hamas apparently fears it lost some of its control in Gaza during Israel's devastating three-week war and launched a new and violent crackdown to enforce its rule, targeting not only those suspected of giving information to the Israeli military but also escaped prisoners and all perceived internal opponents.

The new evidence corroborates witness accounts given to the Guardian, as well as an investigation by the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights, based in Gaza City, that found 32 people had been killed by the Palestinian security services and other gunmen in Gaza since the war began, and that dozens more were shot or beaten.

In an interview today, one Palestinian working for a civil society organisation described how he was forced to leave Gaza because of the growing intimidation and threats. Mowaffaq Alami, 36, worked for the One Voice organisation in Gaza promoting grassroots discussions about Israeli-Palestinian peace proposals.

After Hamas took full security control of Gaza in June 2007, its forces raided the group's office and seized computers and other equipment. One Voice later closed its office, but the staff went on working from home. Then Hamas ordered all civil society groups to obtain its permission to continue their work. One Voice refused and six months ago halted all its work in Gaza.

"People are afraid to live normal lives, to express their opinions freely," Alami said. "There is no freedom of speech, of movement, of travelling or having real healthcare. Hamas is raising George Bush's policy: those not with us are against us." One of his colleagues was forced to leave Gaza after receiving threats from Hamas.

The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights said Hamas had tightened its restrictions on civil society groups, ordering them to inform the Hamas authorities before receiving or distributing aid and obtain Hamas approval before starting new construction or development work.

Alami, who secured a rare permit to leave Gaza a week ago with his family to live in the West Bank, said there were frequently differences between orders given by local Hamas commanders on the ground and the more senior leadership within the movement. Other small extremist movements were also beginning to return to force again – one prominent cafe in Gaza City was bombed last week.

He said many Palestinians no longer felt affiliated to any political group, either Hamas or Fatah, its West Bank-based rival. "Politicians and the media think that there is a simple division between Gaza and the West Bank, between Hamas and Fatah ... The majority of the Palestinian people today are with none of them"

www.guardian.co.uk

 

[Wilma_Hum]

If there are many more victories like the last one, all fighting will end.

Because all the Palestinians have been killed.