3 arrested in terror plot at JFK airport, official says

[Zman]

So does that make it OK? Why do you defend thoes that want to kill your country men?

You really should choose your words wisely. Unless, you are doing this deliberately.

How many people at school or at the workplace have utterd violent words of wanting to hurt, beat up, kill, destroy, blow up people or places over many reasons? yet, people take that with a grain of salt.

If people were arrested over every benign act they intended to commit, Just for speaking them, there would be no one free.

I never defended their action. But I do know how to use my mind and Judge for myself and not regurgitate everything that is fed to me by the government, media and law enforcement officials who are seeking media attention or a feather in their caps for a possible future political career or an internal promotion.

Like the NY Times article stated, many of the governments initial high profile terror cases are unravelling, due to lack of real evidence.

Let's not forget that there were no acts of terrorism committed.

There is nothing wrong with investigating and looking at this from several angles. Why must we have tunnel vision all the time?

Why are you accusing me of defending them? Why didn't you accuse the LA Times & NY Times of defending them?

Is it now a crime and a lack of patriotism to have an opposing view?

How is this different from what this member stated (and none of you gave him a slap on the wrist for daring to state his views:

A tortured soul who didn't even identify himself as Christian (though he might have been) drives his Saturn into a medical clinic and then lights it on fire. Nobody is hurt. Yes, I can see that is a threat which all Americans should put at the top of their list.

What, sir, is your point? Is the point that there exist kooks all over the world? If that is your point, I will stipulate that. Please feel free to continue posting your fascinating infromation, however.

Stated by: Cognescenti
Here:
http://www.islamicboard.com/754909-post15.html

The difference is, that guy actually committed a terrorist act. Dousing a car with gasoline, which would have made it into a bomb, and driving it into a clinic, with the intention of killing innocent civilians.

yet none of you questioned Cog's loyalty.

Why is that? Sounds like double standards...

 

[Cognescenti]

...
How many people at school or at the workplace have utterd violent words of wanting to hurt, beat up, kill, destroy, blow up people or places over many reasons? yet, people take that with a grain of salt.

If people were arrested over every benign act they intended to commit, Just for speaking them, there would be no one free.

I never defended their action. But I do know how to use my mind and Judge for myself and not regurgitate everything that is fed to me by the government, media and law enforcement officials who are seeking media attention or a feather in their caps for a possible future political career or an internal promotion.

Like the NY Times article stated, many of the governments initial high profile terror cases are unravelling, due to lack of real evidence.

Let's not forget that there were no acts of terrorism committed.

There is nothing wrong with investigating and looking at this from several angles. Why must we have tunnel vision all the time?

Why are you accusing me of defending them? Why didn't you accuse the LA Times & NY Times of defending them?

Is it now a crime and a lack of patriotism to have an opposing view?

Zman;

You may be shocked to know I actually agree with some of this. Evidently, these were not the sharpest arrows in the quiver. I don't believe for a second that they would have "killed thousands" as some have speculated. They would, had they been at least partially successful, at least killed a number of people, shut down the biggest airport in NY and interrupted a major gas pipeline for weeks. And they would have sown terror, which is the point after all. They might have cause a couple of hundred million dollars in economic damage. Not bad for amateurs.

UBL himself stated in an interview that he hoped the fire from the airliners would "melt the steel" in the twin towers. It didn't, but guess what, the building still fell down. Lucky for him, eh?

Let's not pretend either that these were a couple of guys just BS'ing about harming the US. They, according to the allegation, took videos and photos of the site, traveled to the Carribbean to meet with some radicals from a group who claim to be motivated by Religion X, and who were responsible for an attempted coup in South America that killed dozens.

How is this different from what this member stated (and none of you gave him a slap on the wrist for daring to state his views:


The difference is, that guy actually committed a terrorist act. Dousing a car with gasoline, which would have made it into a bomb, and driving it into a clinic, with the intention of killing innocent civilians.

yet none of you questioned Cog's loyalty.

Why is that? Sounds like double standards...

:? I wish to state unreservedly that I have never owned a Saturn and have never belonged to the Saturn Owners of America. I unequivocally denounce the use of Saturn automobiles, period...even for driving. I don't even like the things. They are bereft of style and underpowered.

 

[wilberhum]

Zman

Why do you defend those that want to kill your country men?

The question remains. Unless you just think it is OK to plan to kill many, as long as those plans won't work.

 

[Muezzin]

Yeah, um, guys, can we take the focus away from individual members such as Zman and Cognescenti, and move it back to the actual topic itself? Ta.

 

[Zman]

Yeah, um, guys, can we take the focus away from individual members such as Zman and Cognescenti, and move it back to the actual topic itself? Ta.

You bet. My apology to you and Cog...

 

[MTAFFI]

When I read stories like these it makes me wonder what non Muslims think. Alot of people seem, keyword seem, to think the majority of Muslims, are sitting comfortable, like they insured, as if these things don't worry them so they can take extra burden of abuse, not anyone here I just mean on the street.

What occours to me, specially as when I was a new Muslim is that in reality it seems like Muslims in the Western areas lose out the most from these attacks.

On one hand they have somewhat extreme muslims who will kill them alongside others, I mean Muslims have died in these attacks, so I cant get on the bus without worrying about the next guy with a big luggage, just like a non Muslim might do.

Then on the other hand, I have been pushed aside by some of the community because I am 'one of them' as if I affiliate with etremist. So I am treated with doubt, looked and frowned upon when I get on a bus and so forth all because of these attacks.

So I go through the worries of the Non Muslims, plus the worries of a Muslim.

Anyone ever looked at it like that? Am pretty curious if it's only me.

Al Habeshi
I would like to congratulate you for pointing out something very specifically that I dont think anyone has ever put on this board. I very much understand your frustration with both extreme Muslims and non muslims, and I am sorry about how uncomfortable that must make you feel at times. It really is not right that because of the actions of some everyone of a particular race or religion gets scrutinized. I am guilty of doing it myself from time to time, and I apologize.

How many people at school or at the workplace have utterd violent words of wanting to hurt, beat up, kill, destroy, blow up people or places over many reasons? yet, people take that with a grain of salt.

It is one thing to wish to hurt of beat up someone, I think everyone is guilty of that from time to time, however I know that I have never tried to sit down and plot on how to kill, destroy or blow up anyone ever much less an airport full of people. I do not believe that a plot like this should be taken with a grain of salt at all. What would you think if someone was caught with plans to kill destroy and blow up Mecca? Would you want those plotting such a heinous act to be "taken with a grain of salt"?

If people were arrested over every benign act they intended to commit, Just for speaking them, there would be no one free.

Anyone plotting an act of this magnitude, should be put to death for conspiracy to commit murder, terrorism or otherwise, and they typically are.

I never defended their action. But I do know how to use my mind and Judge for myself and not regurgitate everything that is fed to me by the government, media and law enforcement officials who are seeking media attention or a feather in their caps for a possible future political career or an internal promotion.

Who would be getting a political career out of this? It is good to judge things for yourself, but to contradict everything that may reflect negatively on a certain people or religion and write it off as a conspiracy or otherwise, is called DENIAL.

Let's not forget that there were no acts of terrorism committed.

That is because they were stopped before executed... If they had been commited then would you speak out against them? Or would you say that we are just at war and this should be expected?

There is nothing wrong with investigating and looking at this from several angles. Why must we have tunnel vision all the time?

Nothing wrong with investigation

Why are you accusing me of defending them? Why didn't you accuse the LA Times & NY Times of defending them?

Nothing wrong with your article, it presents solid facts and opinions

Is it now a crime and a lack of patriotism to have an opposing view?

An opposing view on what? On that these people where actually conspiring to commit these acts or that they wouldnt have been that harmful? Regardless I think what shows your lack of patriotism is the fact that rather than say "OK these guys are out of their mind and are damaging the face of Islam, even though the act was prevented", you would rather say nothing and try to play the incident down. Just say it was wrong of them to do, and it is unislamic and God Bless America...lol

 

[Zman]

/Peace To All

How To Foil A Terrorist Plot In 7 Simple Steps

By Nora Ephron BIO
Posted June 4, 2007
12:04 AM (EST)

1. In order to foil a terrorist plot, you must first find a terrorist plot. This is not easy.

2. Not just anyone can find and then foil a terrorist plot. You must have an incentive.

The best incentive is to be an accused felon, looking at a long prison term. Under such circumstances, your lawyer will explain to you, you may be able to reduce your sentence by acting as an informant in a criminal case, preferably one involving terrorists.

3. The fact that you do not know any actual terrorists should not in any way deter you.

Necessity is the mother of invention: if you can find the right raw material -- a sad, sick, lonely, drunk, deranged, disgruntled or just plain anti-American Muslim somewhere in the United States -- you can make your very own terrorist.

4. Now the good part begins. Money!

The FBI will give you lots of money to take your very own terrorist out to lots of dinners where you, wearing a wire, can record yourself making recommendations to him about possible targets and weapons that might be used in the impending terrorist attack that your very own terrorist is going to mastermind, with your help.

It will even buy you a computer so you can go to Google Earth in order to show your very own terrorist a "top secret" aerial image of the target you have suggested.

5. More money!!

The FBI will give you even more money to travel to foreign countries with your very own terrorist, and it will make suggestions about terrorist groups you can meet while in said foreign countries.

6. Months and even years will pass in this fashion, while you essentially get the FBI to pay for everything you do.

(Incidentally, be sure your lawyer negotiates your expense account well in advance, or you may be forced -- as the informant was in the Buffalo terrorist case -- to protest your inadequate remuneration by setting yourself on fire in front of the White House.)

7. At a certain point, something will go wrong.

You may have trouble recruiting other people to collaborate with your very own terrorist, who is, as you yourself know, just an ordinary guy in a really bad mood.

Or, alternatively, the terrorist cell you have carefully cobbled together may malfunction and fail to move forward -- probably as a result of sheer incompetence or of simply not having been genuinely serious about the acts of terrorism you were urging it to commit.

At this point, you may worry that the FBI is going to realize that there isn't much of a terrorist plot going on here at all, just a case of entrapment.

Do not despair: the FBI is way ahead of you.

The FBI knows perfectly well what's going on. The FBI has as much at stake as you do.

So before it can be obvious to the world that there's no case, the FBI will arrest your very own terrorist, hold a press conference and announce that a huge terrorist plot has been foiled.

It will of course be forced to admit that this plot did not proceed beyond the pre-planning stage, that no actual weapons or money were involved, and that the plot itself was "not technically feasible," but that will not stop the story from becoming a front-page episode all over America and, within hours, boilerplate for all the Republican politicians who believe that you need to arrest a "homegrown" terrorist now and then to justify the continuing war in Iraq.

Everyone will be happy, except for the schmuck you shmikeled into becoming a terrorist, and no one really cares about him anyway.

So congratulations. You have foiled a terrorist plot. Way to go.

Source:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nora-ephron/how-to-foil-a-terrorist-p_b_50474.html

 

[MTAFFI]

How To Be Counterproductive And Derail Threads In One Easy Step!

1) Do Exactly As Zman:d