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[Whatsthepoint]

I am not your 'dear' and indeed no self respecting doctor who honors his oath will euthanize a pt. let alone criminals. That is not the duty of the physician to carry out justice for the state! Go ahead show me how many doctors willingly consciously and freely, killed their patients and didn't serve a term in prison for it outside the state of Orgeon if their scores can be anything but negligible.
If you want to make your own laws along with your awkwardly simple and provincial buddy Joe, either move to Oregon or buy your own Island The rest of the world still hasn't taken leave of its senses!

Hehe, I like the way you always supress everyone who dares to oppose you....:coolious:
Oregon is not the only state that permits euthanasia. It is legalized or decriminalized in the Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland and Albania.
Most recently, a doctor euthanized Piergiorgio Welby and was not prosecuted inspite of euthanasia being illegal in Itally.

I am not impressed with the diversion, perhaps we can get back to original topic or make another thread for varous nonsense!

I agree. I'm sure there's plenty of topics about euthanasia, however I don't think there's one about silam being incompatible with medicine and the Hippocratic oath..

 

[جوري]

Hehe, I like the way you always supress everyone who dares to oppose you....:coolious:

Glad you enjoy it ......

Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint Oregon is not the only state that permits euthanasia. It is legalized or decriminalized in the Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland and Albania.
Most recently, a doctor euthanized Piergiorgio Welby and was not prosecuted inspite of euthanasia being illegal in Itally.

Your bumpkinly country boy was speaking of America. Using an anesthesiologist (a medical doctor) who makes

AVERAGE SALARY
2006 AVERAGE ANESTHESIOLOGIST SALARY: $309,950

on his/her own accord but now using tax payers money to 'humanely' put to death a criminal, who probably didn't bestow the same courtesy upon his victim, when average folks have to pay around $4000 to that same anesthesiologist say for rib cage compression in the an unfortunate event, that same drunken moron runs them over after having killed a few on the side.
Do you think you are absurd right about now, or do you still want to continue the charade while advertising how on top of modern trends you are?

Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint I agree. I'm sure there's plenty of topics about euthanasia, however I don't think there's one about silam being incompatible with medicine and the Hippocratic oath..

I don't understand what that means, and really don't care too. The ethical medical committe which varies from state to state, doesn't usually heed stupidity when arriving at their decisions and their decisions are meant to satisfy the best interest of the patient! ..
I highly doubt any well respected, well paid anesthesiologist will leave his life style, job satisfaction and salary behind to perform state execution 'humanely' to the liking of a lawless changeling!

Are we done here?


cheers!

 

[-xRafeenax-]

salam
in my opinion i think they shouldnt have executed the killers.I know that what they done was extremely wrong however you can not teach someone not to kill by killing them??!!!?? And the execution probaly only took a few seconds and it was all over the murderers need to be punish for much longer so i think a very strict harsh prison is much better so they can to go through the misery for ever just like the family of the victim!!
Thats just my opinion
salam

 

[Tania]

I'm sorry, but your proof that it was an accident it what exactly?:? Are you assuming that she was innocent just because she said she was?

She said it was an accident, the parents of the child deny this, the court found her guilty.

She may or may not be innocent, but we can't just assume she was innocent when we have no proof at all and then say that the Saudi justice system is stuffed up based on our baseless assumption! :-\

Here its the link:
http://www.islamicboard.com/world-a...girl-death-row-saudi-death-baby-her-care.html
Briefly:
-she had no lawyer during the trial
-she was judge in arabic and she is foreigner

 

[جوري]

salam
in my opinion i think they shouldnt have executed the killers.I know that what they done was extremely wrong however you can not teach someone not to kill by killing them??!!!?? And the execution probaly only took a few seconds and it was all over the murderers need to be punish for much longer so i think a very strict harsh prison is much better so they can to go through the misery for ever just like the family of the victim!!
Thats just my opinion
salam

1-It is Islamic law dear sis that the punishment should fit the crime! It is divine justice! Allah, Most High, says: “O ye who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder: …” (Al-Baqarah: 178)
2- As for teaching them, will I suppose it is too late, you can't teach something to someone in retrospect!
3-Execution is in and of itself the expiation of the sin, of course contingent on ('tawba' repentance) and true remorse of the defendants!
4- And, If they are not repentant, then surely in death is enough misery--
I don't think we should feed, clothes and put a roof over the head of criminals when some human beings whose only sin was be born poor don't even have that much..


on a personal level... why all this to evade what is lawfully decreed when there is enough evidence beyond a reasonable doubt? is it Just to avoid Islamic law? Eveything else is better so long as it isn't Islamic law?!
one wants an anesthesiologists, the other branches off into Oregon's Assisted-Suicide Law, and one more thinks it harsh to murder a murderer..

please somebody come save me-- am I alone in thinking some of our members have gone round the bend? :hmm::mmokay:

 

[Idris]

salam
in my opinion i think they shouldnt have executed the killers.I know that what they done was extremely wrong however you can not teach someone not to kill by killing them??!!!?? And the execution probaly only took a few seconds and it was all over the murderers need to be punish for much longer so i think a very strict harsh prison is much better so they can to go through the misery for ever just like the family of the victim!!
Thats just my opinion
salam

Sister I don't think you can teach a killer not to kill... best thing to do is to kill them and maybe other would-be killer will be put offand not waste money on keeping them in prison.

Briefly:
-she had no lawyer during the trial
-she was judge in arabic and she is foreigner

Why do you single out "Saudi justice system"? Many other justice systems around the world that do worse, try looking a bit east to a big country called china or attempt a look at your own countries “Justice system”. Don’t waste your time putting out other people’s fire then your own house is on fire!

 

[snakelegs]

i don't care what KSA does with its criminals - it's their country.
if you support the death penalty, beheading is probably more humane than what we do in the west.
messy though.

 

[Keltoi]

i don't care what KSA does with its criminals - it's their country.
if you support the death penalty, beheading is probably more humane than what we do in the west.
messy though.

I believe the issue with beheading goes beyond simply the pain or lack thereof. Some consider it a desecration of the body. It creates a certain shock value, which I suppose might work to curb crime, but there is just something about decapitation that affects people more so than electric chair or lethal injection. Perhaps it is too personal or something, where simply turning a switch creates a sense of detachment.

 

[Malaikah]

Here its the link:
http://www.islamicboard.com/world-a...girl-death-row-saudi-death-baby-her-care.html
Briefly:
-she had no lawyer during the trial
-she was judge in arabic and she is foreigner

I've seen that before, and we have no proof she is innocent. Maybe she was, maybe she wasn't, but we don't know.

salam
in my opinion i think they shouldnt have executed the killers.I know that what they done was extremely wrong however you can not teach someone not to kill by killing them??!!!?? And the execution probaly only took a few seconds and it was all over the murderers need to be punish for much longer so i think a very strict harsh prison is much better so they can to go through the misery for ever just like the family of the victim!!
Thats just my opinion
salam

Well, if Allah does not forgive them, the punishment of the grave is far worse than they would ever have received in this life. :blind:

 

[Tania]

Why do you single out "Saudi justice system"? Many other justice systems around the world that do worse, try looking a bit east to a big country called china or attempt a look at your own countries “Justice system”. Don’t waste your time putting out other people’s fire then your own house is on fire!

I thought this thread its dedicated to the 5 dead people. Thats why i refered to the other case what i know still from saudi.
Concerning my country we don't have death sentence after revolution and before that the people usually died due to the treatment which received in jail, not because of the death sentence. Due to the treatment died a large convicted people from priests in the wrong faith upto students, writers and others who could not keep their mouth closed.

I learned too to keep my mouth because our police its the best. I remember few years ago when in states in the airports everyone was checked for guns, our police found a man with gun in a plane which came from chicago or some town from there. And they didn't have the states technology. The americans were suprised how could this man escape from their check up.

And because we talked about how were killed the sentenced people to
death: that was the shooting. Last people convicted for murder was Ceausescu and his wife.

 

[Trumble]

"Being found guilty", under any justice system, is something that occasionally happens to people who are not guilty. Those who support the death penalty must accept that with the death penalty, innocent people will also die. Try imagining yourself in the place of one of those people in the days, hours and minutes before they are led to whatever form of execution it happens to be.

I'm always amazed so many people who claim to believe in God are so happy to play at being God. They are not qualified for the job.

 

[Malaikah]

We don't 'play' God.

Anyway, Islamic laws are very strict to ensure that no innocent people are punished.

 

[MTAFFI]

I believe the issue with beheading goes beyond simply the pain or lack thereof. Some consider it a desecration of the body. It creates a certain shock value, which I suppose might work to curb crime, but there is just something about decapitation that affects people more so than electric chair or lethal injection. Perhaps it is too personal or something, where simply turning a switch creates a sense of detachment.

have you ever seen someone get the electric chair? I would think it is actually a bit more "shocking" than a beheading, seeing someone literally shake and jerk around making at times a high pitched whistling noise while strapped to a chair with a mouthpeice and a metal helmet.... I know it kinda freaked me out

Personally I think public beheadings would be great, I am sure the predators and killers might think a little harder if they actually had seen someones head get chopped off for being proven guilty of one of these sick crimes.

Personally I think prison and jail should be reserved for drug addicts, prostitutes, possibly small time theives, manslaughter crimes, drunk drivers, etc. But the rapists, murderers and child molesters should have an inescapable sentence of death should they be convicted beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[جوري]

"Being found guilty", under any justice system, is something that occasionally happens to people who are not guilty. Those who support the death penalty must accept that with the death penalty, innocent people will also die. Try imagining yourself in the place of one of those people in the days, hours and minutes before they are led to whatever form of execution it happens to be.

I'm always amazed so many people who claim to believe in God are so happy to play at being God. They are not qualified for the job.

In a just system you don't drag a man to his death is there were 1% doubt...
Ali ibn abbi talib (RA) had his sword stolen, his sword bore his name, yet the judge still ruled in favor of the defendant on the account there were no witnesses to the crime!

You have to understand the finite details of the law before building an argument on a hypothetical! The only people who play God in this situation are the guilty who feel it just to kill, murder, maim, rape even small helpless children, and are assured to rely on a fickle justice system to bail them out, and loons who will conjure up preposterous insane methods to execute them.

I am not going to suddenly think a murderer deserves another chance because joe mama thinks it inhumane to behead.. nor do I think it fair to drag out such trials for 10-20 yrs to exhaust every lowely method to get a criminal out even at the expense of the victim's family and the tax payers money, for human animals who didn't bestow like justice or courtesy upon their victims.

I don't believe in a trial by 12 moronic under-educated jurors as is in the American justice system. I have been there and I know exactly what sort of morons they pick for these trials. The system should be established upon justice, not what you can get away with because you've found a loop hole, or because you manipulated simple-minded folks while speaking in the gleefully macaronic English so that everything said is quite over their head!

No it isn't playing God, it is enforcing justice in a undisciplined and unruly world!


cheers!

 

[omar_2133]

Salam,

My position on this has always been to reserve the death penalty for truly sickening and horrifying acts of violence, such as torture, violent and barbaric murder, and sexual assault, and the story of a child being gang-raped by [[four men]], truly goes beyond the line of forgivability, and reoffenders of the next lower level crime of murder and rape, and double reoffenders, for people aged 25+ of petty crime.

But in my opinion, for comparatively lower-level crimes, such as murder and rape, I belive that the guilty should be given a jail sentence, consisting of both punishment and then rehabilitation.

The first period of the sentence involving punishment would consist of hard labour, and the second period of rehabilitation, should consist of a personal, religious and spiritual councelling, by trained psycho-therapists and Imams, with the mind and character of the criminal being fundamentally reformed, and able to be let reintegrated back in society.

However, in order to fund the costs of providing this "treatment" and the construction of the jail, the reformed criminal must give something back to society, whether it be monetary, for example contributing a higher amount of income tax, or otherwise, for example community or government work.

The same would apply to criminals alleged of lower level crime, however the "tax" or debt, would be less. But if they reoffend, then this will increase again to the level of the higher level crime, and of course if they reoffend even after that, then providing they are of the right age, they will be eligible for the death penalty.

Hopefully, I think this will just about balance all factors including humanity, the neccessity of punishment and deterrent, and the cost. Just incase, you ask, I', not a lawyer or anything, but I just thought of this justice system out of my head.

 

[wilberhum]

We don't 'play' God.

Anyway, Islamic laws are very strict to ensure that no innocent people are punished.

What a dream. :? Want to get back to reality? :mmokay:

The results of any system ran by humans is flawed.
:hiding:

 

[IceQueen~]

The results of any system ran by humans is flawed.
:hiding:

That's why on the Day of Judgement, God does HIS Justice

 

[wilberhum]

That's why on the Day of Judgement, God does HIS Justice

Thanks. :shade:
I'm glad you agree with what I said. eace:

 

[Isambard]

We don't 'play' God.

Anyway, Islamic laws are very strict to ensure that no innocent people are punished.

Under the Islamic system, you can be punished for things that dont exist ie. Black magic.

Apperently it isnt strict enough.

 

[Malaikah]

What a dream. :? Want to get back to reality? :mmokay:

The results of any system ran by humans is flawed.
:hiding:

I am in reality... apparently you aren't though, because my post never said that mistakes will never happen, just that Islamic law is designed to minimise the chance of mistakes.

Under the Islamic system, you can be punished for things that dont exist ie. Black magic.

Apperently it isnt strict enough.

Just because you don't believe in it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.