7 year old boy thought 2 b a terrorist

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IbnRuwahah said:
;D Hahaha this is too funny...Better watch out all you Osamahs out there, they're after ya :D

Just shows how stupid these people are...They're soiling themselves with fear. ;D Why is it that Muslims are always feared? We never did nothin' to no one :cry:...

Totally, absolutely, ridiculous!
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lol hahaha yeh i have a little cousin called osama wich is kind of bad i feel sorry for him but he got lost once and his mum was scared to shout for his name so they call him sammy lol instead of osama but my cousin hates to be called sammy he prefers osama but wat does he know only 5 years old lol
bless him
:peace:
 
Trumble said:
I think you may have missed my earlier point. It isn't "kids as well" in the sense that it is thought children might be terrorists, it's kids as well because there are reasons why you stop children (of any religion) at airports. Kidnappings are the obvious example, but the most common one is probably children being taken out of the country by one parent when the other has legal custody. It's far better to stop somebody and resolve the matter later, even if some relatively minor inconvenience is involved, than risk either a terrorist getting on a plane OR a kidnapped child disappearing never to be seen again.
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but in this case wasnt the kid stopped because they thought him to be a terrorist?

so doesnt that mean either the security guard misunderstood his instructions or the one who gave the instructions is just paranoid?
 
IbnRuwahah said:
How many of these 'suspects' actually have anything to do with anything :confused: It's just harrassment...

Say if they were looking for a 'trumble' [I know that's not your real name, I think :D], and there were a million trumbles out there [:giggling:], it doesn't seem very practical to pull out the entire population of trumbles.

Airport authorities aren't stupid, they're just made to be stupid. Neither are they unaware of information that is available to them. I'm 100% sure they know who they're after, and that does NOT include 7 year olds. :rollseyes...
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lol :D
errrmmm does anyone know if people have to now in airport out their stuff in a plastic clear bag instead of taking a hand bag on the plane?
thanks:?
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
but in this case wasnt the kid stopped because they thought him to be a terrorist?

so doesnt that mean either the security guard misunderstood his instructions or the one who gave the instructions is just paranoid?
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That is not clear from the story at all. There are several reasons why a child might be on a flight stop list. The most common ones are international custody issues, which, interestingly often involve fathers from middle eastern countries taking their kids back "home" against the wishes of their American moms.

In this case, most likely he shared a name or portion of his name with a potential security risk. That is why he was stopped. Not because he was plausibly going to take control of the airplane. Do you have any idea how many international airports there are in the US??? Do you know how many people work as airport screeners and customs officers? The airline counter and gate workers are also expected to participate. We are talking about thousands and thousands of people. Do you really expect them to all be delegated to waive the rules? It's called chain of command. The only practical way to have some uniformity with such a disparate screening force is to have rules which are understood by all and are not to be violated. How would it be if the rule were simply "use your best judgement"? The rules are also in force to prevent profiling. Why do you think Anglo grandmothers are subject to random screening? It is all about rules.

Doubtless the rule here is "anyone on this list does not get on a plane untill cleared by xxxxxxx" I don't see why this is hard to understand.
 
I don't think this simple message is getting across. They didn't stop a 7 year old knowing he was a 7 year old. They saw the name and acted accordingly, causing inconvenience for the kid. An example...a security professional is looking at passenger identifications and notices one of the passagers is named O.J. Simpson. Oh my goodness, its O.J.! However, O.J. turns out to be an 8 year old Irish kid from Belfast....
 
The_Prince said:
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we laugh, we dont even notice it, or no even worst some of us will also try to brush the issue aside by saying "oh its a simple mistake im sure they didnt mean to do it and these guys are good ppl" BLA BLA BLA how many more mistakes and errors will they have to do until you the Muslim get it through your skull that there is an actual sinister plan being done against Muslims? perhaps when you become the victim or your familly does then maybe you will wake up?
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******Secret Masonic Headquarter Temple, in a bunker under Manhattan****

Grand Poobah: Right, so it's agreed! Monday, 08:00, GMT. We start with the 7 year olds, right?
 
Quick example of having an unfortunate name in America: John Smith in a gun store - how long will he have to wait to take his shotgun home? 3 days? Why? B/c there's a million John Smiths in America, & some of them aren't allowed to buy guns anymore. So it can take 3 days for the FBI to figure out you're the GOOD John Smith instead of the BAD John Smith. Computerized databases aren't smart - it's just a pile of data. Airport screeners aren't dumb; but if your name pops up on a watch list, they have to call someone & get approval before you get on the airplane, even if you're 7 years old.

Don't like it? Change your name, don't fly to America, don't cross Israeli checkpoints, or get everyone w/ your name to stop blowing things up.
 
backbencher said:
Quick example of having an unfortunate name in America: John Smith in a gun store - how long will he have to wait to take his shotgun home? 3 days? Why? B/c there's a million John Smiths in America, & some of them aren't allowed to buy guns anymore. So it can take 3 days for the FBI to figure out you're the GOOD John Smith instead of the BAD John Smith. Computerized databases aren't smart - it's just a pile of data. Airport screeners aren't dumb; but if your name pops up on a watch list, they have to call someone & get approval before you get on the airplane, even if you're 7 years old.

Don't like it? Change your name, don't fly to America, don't cross Israeli checkpoints, or get everyone w/ your name to stop blowing things up.
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dont cross israeli checkpoints? incase you didnt notice their on palestinian land and a palestinian is free to roam whatever part of his land he wants and the israelis are putting the checkpoints at specific areas that the palis have to use for getting to places
 
The_Prince said:
dont cross israeli checkpoints? incase you didnt notice their on palestinian land and a palestinian is free to roam whatever part of his land he wants and the israelis are putting the checkpoints at specific areas that the palis have to use for getting to places
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Have you wondered why those check points are placed in Israel ? I think that the main reason is to stop terrorists who want to blow up themselves in israeli cities to kill as many civilians as possible.
 
Prince,

Which leaves one w/ the options of changing one's moniker, or getting everyone w/ that moniker to stop blowing things up. If I were a Palestinian, I'd probably go for changing the moniker, b/c getting Palestinians to stop blowing things up seems rather difficult, especially when there's a bus handy.

Gig 'em,

backbencher
 
Aaron85 said:
Have you wondered why those check points are placed in Israel ? I think that the main reason is to stop terrorists who want to blow up themselves in israeli cities to kill as many civilians as possible.
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where on EARTH do you do your research?
 
Aaron85 said:
Have you wondered why those check points are placed in Israel ? I think that the main reason is to stop terrorists who want to blow up themselves in israeli cities to kill as many civilians as possible.
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actually many times the checkpoints are useless and are meant to simply humiliate and make trouble for the palestinians, which the israelis admited. again stop making excuses for your crimes and humiliating actions you commit against Muslims. you dont have the right to put checkpoints on someone else's land and disrupting their movement nor bar them from moving around THEIR LAND, these checkpoints have nothing to do with checking ppl from getting into israel, they are IN PALESTINIAN land did u miss that part? many women have died at checkpoints because they werent allowed to go to hospitals to give birth, and many other such similar incidents. so plz dont try to justify these acts but i know you will continue to do, the love of Jesus i feel it!
 
Cognescenti said:
1) The thread title is wrong, He wasn't "thought to be a terrorist", his name was on a watch list.

2) "Just shows how stupid these people are...They're soiling themselves with fear. Why is it that Muslims are always feared? We never did nothin' to no one ...
Totally, absolutely, ridiculous!" Perhaps this poster has just awakened from suspended animation after a long space flight? Need I say more?

3) The article says at one point he was alone, but his father was with him in Manchester??? If he were truly alone and were stopped, that is very unfortunate, as it would frighten a child. Something is wrong with the story, it seems.

4) The problem has been apparently solved with a passport modification.

5) Richard Reid was stopped once by French authorities..then he was allowed to board the next day.

6) The idiots at Homeland Security ban box cutters and flammable liquids from airplanes. You sometimes have to take your shoes off now. Idiots, huh?

7) Does anyone doubt for one minute there are those, even now, who would want to kill as many Americans and Brits as possible in the most newsworthy fashion possible? Do you really think they will try the same technique? Do you really think they give a **** about how old the victims are? Either you try to design a system to stop would be murderers before they get on a plane (or into the country) or you just accept the consequences. Either the net is too fine or it is too porous. Which do you think makes more sense? If you want to talk about the most rational screening system, then you are talking about profiling. Is that what you want? Do you want security asking what religion the passenger believes in? The Israeli system is much better (more secure). Is that what you want? You want to get on an El Al flight as an Arab Muslim you better be ready for some serious questioning.

From my point of view, if there are fewer Saudi visitors to Disneyland because of secuirty issues...tough ****, that is just the way it has to be for now. Of course, I could be wrong. Perhaps the nation that landed men on the moon is all comprised of idiots.
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Well, you see, having studied the psychology of risk and threat, it's just funny how you have a greater chance of being shot down in the street than you have of having your plane hijacked. Unfortunately, there's more effort and a hell of a lot more money spent on the latter, as well as the constant bombardment of 'terror alerts' and 'terror threats'. Humans feel more threatened when the potential threat is said to exist by another person. It's just funny that's all. And it's funny to see everyday people worry more about terror threats than their kid being killed by a deer. And you should watch your language :)
 
beespreeteam said:
Well, you see, having studied the psychology of risk and threat, it's just funny how you have a greater chance of being shot down in the street than you have of having your plane hijacked. Unfortunately, there's more effort and a hell of a lot more money spent on the latter, as well as the constant bombardment of 'terror alerts' and 'terror threats'. Humans feel more threatened when the potential threat is said to exist by another person. It's just funny that's all. And it's funny to see everyday people worry more about terror threats than their kid being killed by a deer. And you should watch your language :)
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Sorry, that argument does not work. It might work for an irrational fear or some natural event which I have no capacity to modify, but concern about a hijacking of a commerical airliner is demonstarbly neither of those. That the will still exists to do such a thing there can be no doubt. The only reason there has not been another hijacking or willful destruction of a US airliner since 9-11 is precisely because new security measures have been applied. I judge I have just about zero chance of being shot on the street. I don't belong to a gang or work the night shift at a convenience store or work in law enforcement. On the other hand, if I take a flight to or from London, then the risk is finite. Furthermore, my personal risk in flying isn't really the point, is it? It is more about preventing a successful attack on American citizens or interests. That is one of the few Constitutional obligations of the Federal Gvmt. Do you think when Daniel Pearl had his head sawn off because he was an American Jew my response was...eh..."I'm not a reporter..who cares".

You largely miss the point. The no-fly list is more about prohibiting bad guys from getting on US soil where they might do something undesireable.

As for watching my language, I typed in asterisks :D ..and He77 is a four letter word too. :giggling:
 
I wonder if this young boy ever watched "Tommorrows Pioneers"? Oh yeah but why would anyone want to question him he is only 7 right? Saraa Barhoum is 11 yrs old, she says she would love to be a martyr and you people sit here and wonder "Why are people so pessimistic about Muslims" the answer is in the barbaric and backwards nature of the Arab culture, not in Islam because Islam does not promote or condone the ignorant and disgusting behavior that is displayed today by many that claim to be followers of the religion.
 
Prince,

There are IDF checkpoints in the West Bank in order to make attacks on Israeli cities difficult. The IDF has been largely successful of late in preventing bomb attacks in Israel proper, leaving the Gazan terrorist groups to resort to homemade unguided rockets. No one disputes that military checkpoints make life for Palestinians very difficult; however, suicide bombers on Israeli buses makes life itself for Israeli bus passengers rather difficult to maintain.

FARMERS FIGHT!

backbencher
 
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