> 700 hujjaaj have returned to Allah

[Muhammad]

re: > 700 hujjaaj have returned to Allah

It very well could be, but note how my post got modified merely for asking if that's the view.

You will note that the part removed was not what Scimitar was referring to, as can be seen in the part he bolded. By all means ask what is meant by martyrdom but I couldn't help feel the suggestion at the end of your post was inappropriate.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

re: > 700 hujjaaj have returned to Allah

The title is very gloomy, depressing and bleak. You should change it to say the hujjaj *are* returning home. Jannah is our home and after entering Jannah the hujjaj will be more familiar with the route to their house there than they were in this world. Their bodies may have been crushed and crippled but Allah honoured them to be buried in Mekkah and choose to take their souls in His house. They've gone to reside in the eternal abode that has far more value and worth than our temporary place of stay. You shouldn't feel sad because they've left but you should feel uplifted and invigorated at the fact that we're alive and able to achieve potentially far more than those that have died. Our test is still on-going and we have the opportunity to be rewarded and raised in rank more than those whose deeds have to come to an end.

Don't remind others to lament and mourn the dead when three days have already gone past, but rejoice at the reward that Allah will bless them with inshaa'Allah and that you are alive in this world to achieve more than them.

 

[OmAbdullah]

It very well could be, but note how my post got modified merely for asking if that's the view.

Peace,

In fact your words "the devil struck them down" is shirk which means you are believing that devil has power to kill people. We Muslims believe that Almighty God Allah is the Absolute Owner of power and Allah didn't give power to devil. Devil can only try to deceive people. Then those who are sincere to themselves, will seek the refuge of Allah from getting deceived by devil and Allah the Most Merciful will protect that person from devil's deception. But devil can never kill people.

Remember that devil can never push you to unbelief in Almighty God nor can it force you to disobey God. Rather it only invites you and you choose the unbelief and/or disobedience with your own will. Therefore, on the Day of Judgement you will be punished for your sins. Although you will complain against devil but devil shall answer to you saying, "don't blame me but blame yourself...."

You can see complete talk between the dweller of Hell and devil on the Day of Judgment, in the Holy Quraan in chapter Ibraheem verse 22.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Thank you for the clarification, which is exactly what I was asking for. So the devil didn't strike them down. Was it mere happenstance then (which is the same as an atheist would believe) or was something supernatural involved?

Remember that devil can never push you to unbelief in Almighty God nor can it force you to disobey God. Rather it only invites you and you choose the unbelief and/or disobedience with your own will.

Do you really believe people choose unbelief? Disobedience, sure that would be a choice we make. But unbelief? You think people choose to believe or not believe something? Are you able to make yourself believe what you don't? I'm not.

 

[OmAbdullah]

Thank you for the clarification, which is exactly what I was asking for. So the devil didn't strike them down. Was it mere happenstance then (which is the same as an atheist would believe) or was something supernatural involved?




Do you really believe people choose unbelief? Disobedience, sure that would be a choice we make. But unbelief? You think people choose to believe or not believe something? Are you able to make yourself believe what you don't? I'm not.

Peace

There was nothing supernatural about the deaths of the pilgrims. They died naturally, though it was a tragic death. However, the deaths were preordained, and that is by the Will of Allah Almighty. It was by destiny. It means that the death of all of those hujaaj was ordained by Allah Almighty to happen there at the fixed time, in the manner that it happened. This is a lengthy topic which needs long explanation. I will try to make it short but understandable. May Allah help me to guide you right.

Allah Almighty created mankind with the promise that Allah will give mankind authority and freedom of choice to choose what he wants. If he/she chooses to do good, they will be rewarded with the blessings of Paradise in the Here -After, if they choose the wrong path, they will be punished in Hell for ever. To choose good or the Right path means to believe in the absolute Oneness of God and to believe in the truth of Allah’s Prophet and then to follow Him. Allah Almighty also took responsibility to send down Heavenly guidance for mankind and for that purpose Allah always chose Prophets from among them and revealed heavenly knowledge to them to guide the people. Allah's Command is that Allah's message must be conveyed to people but no one should be forced to accept the message. This is to fulfill Allah's promise of giving them freedom of choice.

On the same bases, if a person decides to make theft or to kill someone innocent, Allah will not use force to stop him/her from committing the crime. But of course, Allah will give him/her chances to get knowledge, use moral sense, use his/her brain, fear God's punishment here and in the Hereafter etc. and thus stop from the crime.

When Allah had decided to create mankind for this very hard test, Allah gave him (the mankind) great wisdom, self-criticizing conscience, moral sense and divine Books for complete guidance. If a man, in spite of all those sources of guidance rejects the truth and choses to follow Satan which is the enemy of mankind (another long story of Satan's enmity and jealousy with mankind and Satan's challenge to Almighty Allah that he will try to stray man and ruin him so that he becomes the dweller of Hell forever. You can see all these details in the translation and commentary of the Holy Qur'aan. We are also ready to answer your questions in the light of the same.) then it will be Allah's Justice to punish him/her severely in Hell.

Now I come to the description about destiny (luck, fortune). This is a part of the Muslim's belief that destiny is in Allah's Hands, all good and evil there of comes only from Allah. Death and life are all in the power of Allah. None else can ordain it. Also we believe that every body's life is already written in his/her fortune and death will come to every person on its fixed ordained time without the difference of a single moment. Here some people make questions that if Allah ordained everything then why criminal should be punished for crime? Some scholars explained the principle of destiny in a very good way as I understood it very well. They said:

Allah has perfect knowledge of all the seen and unseen things as well as of the present, past and future. Allah ordained the things in such a way that every effect is linked with a cause. If the cause falls in the hands of mankind then they are responsible and reward able or punishable as the case may be. If the cause does not fall in the hands of man then they are not questionable.

Keeping the above explanation in mind we can say that the death of the hujaaj was ordained there and then by Allah Almighty. If the cause of the stampede was just perchance without any body’s evil intention, then no one will be punished for it and we, all Muslims, have to be patient. If, on the other hand, it was planned by someone’s evil intention, then surely they cannot escape the justice of Allah and surely they will be in the everlasting Fire. If Allah so wills, Allah will bring humiliation and punishment on them in this world too.

Remember that we, mankind, are created for a very hard test. Our aim must be to pass the test. The foremost requirement for passing the test is to believe in only One God Who is The Creator of all and the second obligation is to obey Allah’s Commands. For that purpose we must believe in the Truth of all Prophets and all Heavenly Books; and we must follow the last Book which is fully preserved for guidance. It is the Holy Qur’aan which was sent down to the Final Prophet Muhammad (Allah’s blessings and peace be on him).

I advise you sincerely to read and understand the Holy Qur’aan at least once so that at the time of death you don’t regret for not reading it.

 

[OmAbdullah]

Do you really believe people choose unbelief? Disobedience, sure that would be a choice we make. But unbelief? You think people choose to believe or not believe something? Are you able to make yourself believe what you don't? I'm not.

Your 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] question is answered here:

Generally it is understood that an atheist doesn’t believe in any God/god but I am surprised to see that you do believe in god but instead of Allah, Who is the Real God and Creator, you have made Satan to be god and you believe that Satan is all powerful and Satan can give death to so many people at one time and that Satan can harm people to take revenge etc…… That is a very big proof of Satan’s straying activities, alas!!!

Again, you think that you have not chosen unbelief, but in fact you have surely chosen it. The proof is that you are not searching for any way of guidance. Especially, you have closed your mind and eyes for the guidance and understanding of the Holy Qur’aan. It is mainly due to Satan’s struggle and you are overtaken by that deadly enemy, alas!!! It seems like you have fear in your mind that if you try to understand the Holy Qur’aan then you may accept Islam and discard atheism. So you have chosen unbelief and have closed your eyes from understanding any true source of guidance (of course the only true source of guidance is the Holy Qur’aan). All of this behavior is due to following Satan, but due to the lack of light in your heart/mind you cannot see the ideas that Satan puts in your heart/mind!!

Once in our class of sufiasm (spirituality) our teacher explained the waswasa (ideas coming in one’s heart/mind from Satan) as follows:
He said, “In this class there are so many things like chairs, tables desks books students and teacher etc. but we can see them only due to the presence of light”. (The class was after evening prayer i.e. in the darkness of night). “If I turn this light off, then we will not be able to see these things. A scholar was asked by someone as to why is that when we do zikar and remember Allah, the waswasa from Satan increases. On the other hand when we don’t do zikar, there is no waswasa. The scholar said that when you remember Allah then due to the light in your heart/mind you can see/recognize the waswasa from Satan. When your heart/mind is empty from the remembrance/zikar of Allah almighty then there is no light in the heart/mind. So you cannot see/feel the waswasa.”

The above explanation by our teacher was very true. As you have no light in your heart/mind, you cannot understand the deceiving ideas from Satan. But Satan is succeeding in leading you to the everlasting Hell. If you open your mind for guidance and open the Holy Qu’raan, the things will, insha Allah, become clear to you. You must seek guidance to defeat your enemy Satan. Also you have the freedom of choice. Start reading any book of guidance like Tawrah or Bible etc. but read it side by side with the Holy Qur’aan. Then you will be able to choose the correct guidance. May Allah guide you to recognize and defeat your deadly enemy Satan and to protect yourself from the Everlasting Hell, aameen.

 

[Muhammad]

Thank you for the clarification, which is exactly what I was asking for. So the devil didn't strike them down. Was it mere happenstance then (which is the same as an atheist would believe) or was something supernatural involved?

It was one thing to make the remark you did, intended or not, but to turn this thread into a debate is very insensitive. If you have nothing constructive to add, it is better to remain silent and leave your questions for a more appropriate thread.

 

[Pygoscelis]

It was one thing to make the remark you did, intended or not, but to turn this thread into a debate is very insensitive. If you have nothing constructive to add, it is better to remain silent and leave your questions for a more appropriate thread.

It was not my intention to start a debate of any sort. I asked a question seeking to understand how Muslims view this, as I thought that perhaps there would be some supernatural belief attached to it given the circumstance. I make no assertion or argument of my own regarding that.

I will refrain from reacting to nbegam's accusations of devil worship (really?) in this thread, out of respect for the departed.