A day in Gods world is a million here

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Well the concept of time being different on venus is all well and good.

So Gods a space alien? He lives out on a far away planet?

More to the point, if time dosnt matter to him, why try and explain a time period? If you do explain a time period...why not do it in a language you audience might understand.
I can say that my tea was made in 14.3 wibbles. But nobody but me will understand that, so why say it? Nope, I'll use your earth time thanks.
 
barney said:
Well the concept of time being different on venus is all well and good.

So Gods a space alien? He lives out on a far away planet?

More to the point, if time dosnt matter to him, why try and explain a time period? If you do explain a time period...why not do it in a language you audience might understand.
I can say that my tea was made in 14.3 wibbles. But nobody but me will understand that, so why say it? Nope, I'll use your earth time thanks.
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rofl, you already complain that God's words are too confusing for you...now you want him to explain a concepts in a manner that cannot be understood by a creation bound by the dimension in which they live? I understand the word yaoum...and i take it most people understand the word 'period', day, and so on....do you?

joe98 was really confident in his definition of what a day is...so maybe the word 'day' can be confusing for most.
 
lilah said:
rofl, you already complain that God's words are too confusing for you...now you want him to explain a concepts in a manner that cannot be understood by a creation bound by the dimension in which they live? I understand the word yaoum...and i take it most people understand the word 'period', day, and so on....do you?

joe98 was really confident in his definition of what a day is...so maybe the word 'day' can be confusing for most.
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I think you misunderstood.

I'm saying he should have called a spade a spade.
I havn't researched "youm" but for the moment , i'll accept it means "period of time".
The Jewish arguement that the world popped into existance millions of years old makes no sense at all. Theres lots of apologists leaping through fiery hoops with equivating years to heavenly days and vise versa and tapping furiously away on calculators to "prove" that their religion "got it right".

Unfortunatly it's not working.
 
barney said:
I think you misunderstood.

I'm saying he should have called a spade a spade.
I havn't researched "youm" but for the moment , i'll accept it means "period of time".
The Jewish arguement that the world popped into existance millions of years old makes no sense at all. Theres lots of apologists leaping through fiery hoops with equivating years to heavenly days and vise versa and tapping furiously away on calculators to "prove" that their religion "got it right".

Unfortunatly it's not working.
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ah, i c...

still, it's hard to call a spade a spade if the word spade has multiple meanings...which it does :D

I've never really read the Bible in it's entirety, but i do have to say the meaning of words have a habit of changing. Unfortunately, i don't have a copy of the original Biblical scripts on hand to back it up, but maybe the original word got lost in the translation....or perhaps the word 'day' took on multiple meanings way back in history. I know the word 'Father' and the word 'Lord' in the Bible have additional meanings in English that differ from there current usage by modern Christians, maybe the word 'day' is similar in this situation, but i don't know...like i said, I've never really read the bible so i don't want to speak out of ignorance in regards to the topic.

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Joe98:

Where do I begin? Let me address each of your statements.

You stated: "No you can't."

Why not? Did you not read my supportive arguments?

You stated: “If god is all powerful he could have done it in seconds!”

Of course he could have, but such a statement is irrelevant to your argument.

You stated: “A day is defined as 24 hours. This is how long it takes for the earth to rotate on it’s axis.”

We can agree on that.

You stated: “Before the earth was made there was no earth and no rotation.”

We can also agree on that.

You stated: “If there was no rotation there was no way to measure a day. And therefore no way to measure a second.”

We can also agree on that as well. But where is all of this going? Where is the relevance?

You concluded: “Ultimately the whole story is fiction.”

Joe. Where is your argument? You simply presented obvious statements and then concluded without providing one single supporting argument.

Do you not know that the definition of time was made after the creation of the earth in the scriptural account?

It seems that your basic error arises from your unfamiliarity with the scriptures. I would strongly recommend that you first read the Bible and the Koran before commenting or entering into debate on Biblical and Koran based issues.

Regards,
Grenville
 
Hi Barney:

You noted “If the Bible was to say …” but we both know that it does not; therefore why present such an irrelevant analogy.

Regards,
Grenville
 
I disagree. It does exist, it just has no ontological reality. Like the notion of 'crime'.
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Wrong. "Time:" is as flawed a concept as "race."

I agree. It's a very useful construct though. Again, like the notion of 'crime'.
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It may be useful, but it doesnt mean it exists. Do you think there is such a thing as "race?" Both are concepts developed by humans, not reality.
 
V = Vo + at ..... what does the 't' stand for? if 't' is a human concept does that mean that concept of 'velocity' is a human one....

X= Xo + Vot + 1/2 at^2 .... maybe the way we define a position is a human concept... it really isn't real

P = dW/dT ..... uhh, sorry, no such thing as momentum,


those danged physics profs wasted my time my first year of college didn't they....i think every physics 101 book should come with a disclamer that 1/2 the stuff inside the text is a made up human concept :giggling:
 
lilah said:
those danged physics profs wasted my time my first year of college didn't they....i think every physics 101 book should come with a disclamer that 1/2 the stuff inside the text is a made up human concept :giggling:
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They would be wrong, 1/2 is 1/2 too short. I'm afraid Philosopher is quite right ; the whole lot is just human concepts, time, momentum, whatever. They have no independent existence - and even if they did it would be impossible to prove it. Without people neither the equations or what they represent have any meaning at all... they would never have existed.
 
Trumble said:
They would be wrong, 1/2 is 1/2 too short. I'm afraid Philosopher is quite right ; the whole lot is just human concepts, time, momentum, whatever. They have no independent existence - and even if they did it would be impossible to prove it. Without people neither the equations or what they represent have any meaning at all... they would never have existed.
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It depends on how you define existence. If you define existence based on your senses, then there really is no way you can prove whether light, time, magnetism, or you exist. For example, lets say you are blind, deaf, and you do not have the ability to feel through your senses. All of your senses you have that help you identify things are turned off. Would I exit? I may be standing right in front of you ...according to your philosophy, I wouldn't exist because you don't have your senses to detect me. Therefore if you define time not so much as a measurement, but a progression of events, you can 'have time pass you buy' and not even know it. So just because you can't perceive time, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You just have to discover it.
So turn your senses back on and get enlightened.

now, as for this debate about the definition of 'day'. The word day can still mean 'a period of time'. When we think about the word 'day' we automatically assume that we are talking about a solar day, ie; a period of one rotation of the earth around it's axis.

Galaxies rotate along their axis....couldn't 1 rotation of a galaxy be considered a 'day'? Does the universe rotate? I'm not trying to say the bible is implying anything like this, i just though I'd through out an interesting idea....
 
Grenville said:
Hi Barney:

You noted “If the Bible was to say …” but we both know that it does not; therefore why present such an irrelevant analogy.

Regards,
Grenville
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Because the bible says the world was created in 7 days. Thats spongecake.
Science provided us with facts. (as in actual measurable facts rather than "the truth" of scripture).

So the Spongecake can be discarded.

Regards.
 
barney said:
Because the bible says the world was created in 7 days. Thats spongecake.
Science provided us with facts. (as in actual measurable facts rather than "the truth" of scripture).

So the Spongecake can be discarded.

Regards.
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I agree. I find it shameful that the world laughs at us because 60% of Americans (Jews and Christians) believe the world is 6000 years old.
 
Hi Philosopher & Barney:

Originally Posted by barney
Because the bible says the world was created in 7 days. Thats spongecake.
Science provided us with facts. (as in actual measurable facts rather than "the truth" of scripture).
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Philosopher said:
I agree. I find it shameful that the world laughs at us because 60% of Americans (Jews and Christians) believe the world is 6000 years old.
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It seems that due to your unfamiliarity with the scriptures, you are making unfounded assertions and then refuting them. I do not believe that you are doing this intentionally; you appear to be simply out of your depth. I strongly recommend that you at least read the Bible before making irresponsible assertions about what it contains - please.

For your information, the Bible does not claim that the world is 6,000 years old, or that the world was created in 7 days.

Regards,
Grenville
 
I'm familiar with them thanks. :)

Genesis 2
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested [a] from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

I've read many bibles. they all have similar genisis 2's
More to the point, I was forced by my country into learning christianity, and If a version of the bible that you have read says "And god made the world in 7 periods of time each equaleth to 1 billion years, then he rested" then sure, I've got it all wrong.

From sunday school to pulpit. The teaching is 7 days.

6000 years. This is not written, its a case of working it out.

The Bible teaches Adam was the first man, and lists his decendents in a unbroken line to David. The period of time involved assuming normal generation life span for the time, (about 20 years) works out to a couple of thousand. (Actually more if you take the Zeberdee lived to 345 years old and had wings of steel)passages literally)

Add on 2 thousand till Jesus, and two thousand till today.
Maybey it all works out at 15000, mayby 4000. What it dodsnt work out as is the Billions that the world has been here.

The prophets got it wrong. Maybey they misheard?
 

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