A debate for all....

[Cheb]

Greetings,


I second root's request for evidence to back up the claim that Adam and Eve had longer lives than we do now. In fact our lifespans have increased due to advances in medicine.

This is from what I was tought as a Muslim so you wont believe in that anyway

Apes are still around, of course. Does the fact that the dinosaurs became extinct around 65 million years ago help to pinpoint the time frame when Adam and Eve lived?

why do you say that?

Also, for the record, could you say whether you accept biologists' classification of humans as belonging to the ape family?

Peace

No I dont. The ape family is one thing and humans are another. Humans are a unique species that do not "belong" with any family but the human family and the decendents of Adam and Eve.
Peace.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

This is from what I was tought as a Muslim so you wont believe in that anyway

So there's no evidence for this outside of religious tradition?

why do you say that?

Because I'm curious about when Adam and Eve existed. Aren't you?

No I dont. The ape family is one thing and humans are another. Humans are a unique species that do not "belong" with any family but the human family and the decendents of Adam and Eve.

It surprises me that you say you believe in evolution when you disagree with this fundamental of biology.

Peace

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

So there's no evidence for this outside of religious tradition?

How can there be historical evidence for the lifespan of people who cannot be confirmed historically?

Anyway, here's some interesting info that I came across with a quick search, although I don't know how credible it is. Vadim Chernobrov writes:

Archaeologists dug out skeletons and remains of the people who lived much longer than 100-200 years, but official science ignored these findings, and so called "forbidden archaeology" studies them.

In the Soviet Union a human bone was dug out and researched by the specialist on skull reconstruction Victor Zvyagin. The result of the research was amazing - the ancient person having this bone, lived for 1,500 years!

According to scholar Ivan Filimonenko from Moscow, human life duration has been reduced by radioactive potassium. In ancient times, foodstuff contained 179 times less of radioactive potassium than now. This trend can be seen by researching trees - birch lives up to 250 years (it contains 13.8 percent of potassium oxide), pine-tree - 600 years (6.9 percent), fur-tree - 1200 years (3.2 percent). Using the ratio, one can calculate that human"s life lasted for 12,250 years before the Flood. (Mysteries and Paradoxes of Time)​

It surprises me that you say you believe in evolution when you disagree with this fundamental of biology.

It's not really a 'fundamental of biology', it's just an issue of taxonomy which is inherently from a human perspective anyway. It depends how you define terms especially when scientists are constantly coming up with new systems of classifcation. To argue whether the human being is distinct or not is really just an issue of what your definitions are.

Peace

 

[Cheb]

Greetings,


So there's no evidence for this outside of religious tradition?

I personally am not aware of any. But I dont need the evidence that you talk about.
Prophet Noah lived for 950 years

Because I'm curious about when Adam and Eve existed. Aren't you?

No I was actually asking what you meant by that. Are you indicating that Adam and Eve appeared after the Dinosaurs were extinct?

It surprises me that you say you believe in evolution when you disagree with this fundamental of biology.

Peace

I believe in evolution as being Gods way of making creatures survive in different environments when they need to. Science has nothing to do with it.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

I personally am not aware of any. But I dont need the evidence that you talk about.
Prophet Noah lived for 950 years

Fair enough, that's your belief.

No I was actually asking what you meant by that. Are you indicating that Adam and Eve appeared after the Dinosaurs were extinct?

I thought that's what you meant when you said this:

Before Adam and Eve was all other life. Dinosaurs, apes, etc.

Peace

 

[Cheb]

I see. Well ya I do not believe that they lived along side Dinosaurs so I guess I can say that they appeared less than 65 million years ago. But I really wouldnt know. I think 200,000 may be a possibility too.

 

[Christian_dove]

we still haven't found the reason (and the mechanism) as to why human bodies turn themselves "off" after a certain amount of years. Actually, the body is capable of reprodusing its cells "forever" so that a living age of several hundred years shouldn't be impossible. I've read that one consider 140 years to be the max amount of years that you may be able to live, if you live an extremely healthy life.

But we don't know much about people who lived, say, 10.000 years ago. We don't even know who and how they built the pyramids... We know nothing...

 

[Mainul_Islam]

I've read that one consider 140 years to be the max amount of years that you may be able to live, if you live an extremely healthy life.

maybe, but about 2 years ago i saw on news that this lady lived up to celebrating her 164th or 165th bday... dunno if she is still alive.

at first i could not believe it.. but then why i started reading about earlier Prophets (i.e. Adam & Noah) how they lived hundreds of years, and a 250 (around) yr old companion of the Prophet Muhammad, i thought "why would it be imposible for her to live so long too? Allah blessed her with a long life"

 

[root]

This ain't a debate for all. I think it is really quite funny yet tragic that this debate has simply gone down to the level that people can say just about anything they fancy, without producing any evidence or simply state you cannot prove it wrong thus it is true. This is simply bad science born out of ignorance.

Anyway, here's some interesting info that I came across with a quick search, although I don't know how credible it is. Vadim Chernobrov writes:

Ansar - I am dissapointed you posted an article of such weakness, this same person claimed to have built a time machine. Perhaps you shoulod write to him and ask if we can borrow it for a day fly back in time and ask Adam & Eve for an opinion? Clearly this is why science has a solid process of peer reviewing, it's not that science ignores him it is simply that his given hypothosis and supporting evidence is false.

How can there be historical evidence for the lifespan of people who cannot be confirmed historically?

So you think it is "safe" to assume "Man" or another "hominid" could live for more than a thousand years because we have no proof that is not the case. It is a scary place in your mind if u ask me. Perhaps, a species of hominid eat fire and lived for 5000 years on sea water. Under the basis of validation that people in this thread are using, why are we not teaching this fact of fire eating sea drinking long lived hominids to our young.

This thread truly has turned into nothuning more than bull s***.

Cheb - I personally am not aware of any. But I dont need the evidence that you talk about. Prophet Noah lived for 950 years

I put it to you that you don't need any cos you don't have any. Nothing wrong with having faith, statistically you will be happier and live longer. However, religion and faith has no purpose claiming what you are claiming to our kids outside of religous education.

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Ansar - I am dissapointed you posted an article of such weakness, this same person claimed to have built a time machine. Perhaps you shoulod write to him and ask if we can borrow it for a day fly back in time and ask Adam & Eve for an opinion? Clearly this is why science has a solid process of peer reviewing, it's not that science ignores him it is simply that his given hypothosis and supporting evidence is false.

I mentioned that his credibility wasn't confirmed before I quoted him.

So you think it is "safe" to assume "Man" or another "hominid" could live for more than a thousand years because we have no proof that is not the case.

No, I never said that scientists should accept the idea that human beings lived for such long periods of time before us. That is a religious teaching and science has comue up with nothing either in favor aganst that. So scientists can continue to investigate this issue further.

 

[root]

No, I never said that scientists should accept the idea that human beings lived for such long periods of time before us. That is a religious teaching

OK, so it is faith based. This is fine and the reason it is not supported outside of religion.

and science has comue up with nothing either in favor aganst that.

This is misleading, Archeologist's don't come up with things that do not exist. Archeologists have found plenty of fossils and none of the finds would lead to your hypothosis to be confirmed. Further, free radical damage on biological matter supports the opposite of what you believe.

So scientists can continue to investigate this issue further.

This is misleading, archeologists are not searching for 1000 year old species since nothing would support the hypothosis that they ever existed (apart from religous text) which is unscientific because it relies on the supernatural.