A group is calling for the Sharia law to be removed from Britain

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Pygoscelis said:
Also note that pointing at the bible and showing its ugly side does nothing to diminish the ugly side of the Quran.
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theres nothing ugly about the quran and it makes sense to point out verses from the bible to someone who trys to justify them
 
There is no ugly side to the Quran...don't compare it to the bible of today
 
questioner8 said:
So the way you deal with people whose opinions you don't like is to what, ban them!
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Obviously brain power is not your strongest suit, so here let me explain to you:

Differences in opinion is clearly allowed here, otherwise you would had been kicked out of this forum right after your first post.
BUT, blasphemy of Allah SWT, Islam, its prophets and messengers, and Qur'an is definitely NOT allowed.
And Pygoscelis clearly has broken this rule by saying that the Qur'an has ugly side, and without even elaborating why or giving reasons or justifications, and a long time member calling for him to be kicked out from this forum in my opinion is still quite reasonable.

Capische?
 
Pygoscelis said:
If you spit fire, don't wear a flammable shirt.
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You can discuss why you don't like passages of the Qur'an in the appropriate threads or you can even make your own, that is if you have the guts to do it.

You don't make your hosts angry by spitting in their faces. That is a basic in morality.
Oh wait, you atheists have no moral standards.
 
aadil77 said:
so its been abolished has it? do christians no longer believe in the old testament?
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Only muslims and some protestants follow or try to follow all jewish rules, good or bad, wise or stupid. Catholics and orthodox christians agreed at the very beginning (with the words of St. Paul) that OT has not only God's wisdom included but also many things from a normal everyday life of an ancient tribe called Israel. Jews in OT made many mistakes, many crimes and not ALL things from OT come from God. OT is NOT literal word of God, but its inspiried by God, but not everything from 1st to last page.

In future I will make thread (unless its rejected) why actually muslims and protestants play jews.
 
naidamar said:
You can discuss why you don't like passages of the Qur'an in the appropriate threads or you can even make your own, that is if you have the guts to do it.

You don't make your hosts angry by spitting in their faces. That is a basic in morality.
Oh wait, you atheists have no moral standards.
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Pot, meet kettle. Don't spit in peoples' faces if you don't want to be spat at. And note, I didn't spit at anybody the way you are right here.
 
rules of thumb those concerned about sharia law:

1- If you are not studied in the law then don't speak about it.. if you aren't studied in Islamic law, then you have even less a right to speak about it, least of which to voice a concern for it doesn't affect you personally and we all know you can't stand Muslims to feign interest as to whether the law is just or not when it comes to running their own affairs.

2- Sharia'a law doesn't affect you personally as in it is made only to govern Muslims, then you should butt all the more out, since it is really no concern of yours.. unless the concern of course is some irrational fear that your moral less society will prosper better in regions run by Islamic law and that frightens you somewhat that it will be the supreme law of the land (which it shall insha'Allah) in which case the puny protests will do nothing since in a 'democratic society' it is the majority rule that reigns supreme.. if the majority at some point desire Islamic law and you are unhappy about it, then you can go weep about it some where else and to other like minded twits!
 
Pygoscelis said:
Pot, meet kettle. Don't spit in peoples' faces if you don't want to be spat at. And note, I didn't spit at anybody the way you are right here.
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You were spitting at the muslims by calling the Qur'an has ugly side.
Or do you want to retract that statement now?

If you are not going to retract your statement, then elaborate why/how the Qur'an has ugly side.

On the other hand, muslims members of this forum have discussed thoroughly and pointed out the ugliness in the bible in many many threads.
 
questioner8 said:
Are you sure there is nothing in Islam against Democracy?
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Submitted by Karl Ericson (United States), Jul 18, 2002 at 17:21
You wrote: "there is nothing in Islam that necessarily contradicts democracy". Tell that to the Muslims.

Sheik Omar Bakri Muhammed, as of 12/4/01 is the judge of the Shari'ah court for the United Kingdom, the Secretary General of The Islamic World League, the principal lecturer of the London school of Shari'ah, the Leader of Al-Muhajiroun & the Spokesman of The International Islamic Front. On his web page The Humiliation of Muslims by America he criticizes the UN for propagating the Kufr (non-believer) ideology of Democracy.

Abul A'la Mawdudi, founder of the Jamaat-i Islami in India, has argued that if democracy is conceived as a limited form of popular sovereignty, restricted and directed by God's law, there is no incompatibility with Islam, but Mawdudi concluded that Islam is the very antithesis of secular Western democracy based solely on the sovereignty of the people. (Quoted in Esposito and Piscatori, Democratization and Islam, p. 436. See also Abul A'la Mawdudi, A Political Theory of Islam, in, Donohue and John Esposito, eds. Islam in Transition: Muslim Perspectives (New York: Oxford University Press, 1982), pp. 253-54.) On the other hand, Sayyid Qutb, a leading traditionalist theoretician of the Muslim Brotherhood, executed by the Egyptian government in 1966, objected to the idea of popular sovereignty altogether: Qutb believed that "the Islamic state must be based on the Quranic principle of consultation or shurah [on the interpretation of Shari'a], and that the Islamic law or Shari'a is so complete a legal and moral system that no further legislation is possible or necessary." (Quoted in Hudson, "After the Gulf War," p. 436. For more on Qutb's views on Islam, see John L. Esposito, ed., Voices of Resurgent Islam (New York: Oxford University Press, 1983))

In addition Jamie Glazov in an article titled Why Islam Hates Democracy wrote:

In the eyes of Islam, the very notion of democracy is demonized. In Islam, after all, Allah is sovereign, which means that humans constructing their own laws is sinful. The Koran and Sharia Law give Muslims all the laws they need...

In Islam, democracy, as well as the very notion of the freedom of human conscience, represents a dangerous deviation from the Koran and the Sharia. Elections are seen as a form of blasphemy. They are Satan's vehicle to destroy the Koran

Benjamin Netanyahu, in a speech to the House Government Reform Committee on September 20, 2001, also argued that hatred of democracy fuels hatred of the West. He explained: "The soldiers of militant Islam do not hate the West because of Israel, they hate Israel because of the West. They see it as an island of Western democratic values in a Muslim Arab sea. This is why they call Israel the Little Satan, to distinguish it clearly from the country that has always been and will always be the Great Satan -- the United States of America."

Armand De Decker, president of the Belgian senate, in regard to the Belgium's 350,000 Moslems said: "We've got to defend our values, our liberty, our democracy with open eyes, knowing that they most certainly intend to destroy them."

I do not think it is a coincidence that the one democracy in the Muslim world, Turkey, is a secular democracy.
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Thank you for this detailed post.

But the article here has the same wrong idea about muslims. The same superficial idea all non-muslims have because they don't want to learn about islam from the inside, they want to learn about islam from other non-muslims who don't know what islam is. It's like the blind who is guiding another blind (if this makes sense).

Now, who said muslims look at Democracy as a demonized system, or as a blasphemy ? did muslims say that ? no!

In Islam, democracy, as well as the very notion of the freedom of human conscience, represents a dangerous deviation from the Koran and the Sharia. Elections are seen as a form of blasphemy. They are Satan's vehicle to destroy the Koran
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lol, this is as funny as stupidly said.
It describes muslims as a stupid medieval community that is illogically explaining every new thing they discover. Or like the prehistoric man in movies who discovered fire and thought it was a demonized power.

Muslims think democracy is a good value. Muslims even used democracy to choose the muslim leader in first islamic khilafas, and now with the recent form of democracy muslims have no problem applying democracy. But there is just 3 reasons why some muslims think democracy will not be useful :
1) the real application of democracy is not as correct as expected, even in western or secular countries, they claim they have democracy, but in reality there is many cases where democracy is ignored.
2) Democracy is not always good (not in 100% of the cases), we can't say that if the biggest part of people are voting for something, it means that thing is correct. Before we discovered the earth is round, the whole world was thinking it's flat, but just one man thought it's round. And it turned out that the whole world was wrong and just one scientist was correct.
3) in a 100% muslim country, all the people are following islamic laws. And the muslim leader is following islam, so democracy will not needed as a political system as every one is following the same rules. But democracy can still be used to chose the leader who will correctly apply islamic rules.

So that's it. No demonized concepts. And no anti-democracy ideas exist in islam. It's just muslims don't think a secular democratic political system won't be that efficient in a muslim world.
 
Among Muslims, only the Turks have experienced any form of self-rule and that was the result of a remarkable man, Ataturk, who literally forced them to accept westernization. In doing so, he imposed a strict divide between Islam and the governing of Turkey. This has been maintained only because the Turkish military has judiciously stepped in time and again to crush any Islamist party seeking to impose the Islam's system of rule.

The religion of Islam and democracy are totally incompatible. Only the separation of church and state, only the rule of civil law can grant Muslims-the vast majority of whom are good, decent people---the freedom they want and many Muslims, such as those in Iran, do want it.
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Look how the kuffar praise the man that destroyed the khilafa - another one of their puppets
 
How could Sharia law get any traction in Britain anyway? Britain is a Chardonay Socialist nation now, even the Christians have no say. Athiests rule there now with capitalism for the rich and socialism for the poor.
To have Sharia in Britain now would be like pushing Jewish law back in Nazi Germany.
Maybe if Britain had a massive majority of Muslims and they had the power, Sharia law would be feasible.
And all is as Allah wills, so there is no point getting all worked up about it.
 
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