A historical question.

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Majority of Muslims in the world are moderate and will never support any kind of terrorism. However, there is a minority of Muslims, who have a DIY type of philosophy in regards to Islam and do self-interpretation of Quran and ahadith (prophetic traditions) to justify the unjustifiable.

So, from my humble understanding, I should emphasize Islam is not at fault, and yet the extremist type of Islamic interpretation that started spreading in Arabia in the 18th and 19th centuries that I call Wahabbism had a tribal type of worldview in regards to non-Muslims, and of course, the interpretation was supported by Saudi Arabia because the regime wanted to ensure that they remain in power and that their actions are not called into question even if they indulge in un-Islamic actions. However, what I expect and see is that even Saudi Arabia did not anticipate the consequences of spreading this type of extreme interpretation of Islam, as some persons practicing Wahhabism or Salafism in our modern age are undoubtedly hateful and more easily persuaded into joining Islamic militants to commit un-Islamic actions under the guise of avenging lost Muslim lives elsewhere in the world and supporting purist Islam. Islamic scholars by consensus in the Muslim world have globally condemned and continue to condemn terrorism, suicide bombing. However, what terrorist organizations believe and say is that Islamic scholars who have taken this position are "sell-outs" and only they [terrorist organization members] are on true Islam and "haqq" ("truth"). They also say that the Muslims who do not support them are either pusillanimous, ignorant, villainous, deviant, modernist, sell-outs, or not Muslim.

To be honest, I think you'll find it hard (not saying impossible but definitely hard) to find books that offer balanced views because unfortunately the terrorist organizations' evil actions mean that all Muslims and Islam are tarred with the same brush and found guilty without a trial in the court of public opinion, not to mention that there is an easy money-making enterprise available in authoring Islamophobic literature or blogs. Also, the liberals or other like-minded individuals who try to voice their objection to stereotyping Muslims or Islam are considered sell-outs by ring-wingers or populists who are unequivocally not abashed about calling such individuals who are destroying the country. So, if I find any balanced literature, I'd definitely love to share with you; however, mostly, I have seen an overflowing of the opposite literature that seeks to say that Muslims and Islam are bad and evil and must be dealt with or even annihilated (in extreme literature).

So, sorry, bro, it's not going to be easy for you to sift through books to find balanced views; however, that said, I wish you resounding success on the endeavor.

Futuwwa
Of course you are quite correct. Heads of state do get assassinated and I suppose that my idealistic view of expecting something better than the average state from Islam was idealistic.
You asked me to make my case and I have to say that before I started asking questions about what are nothing other than atrocities I really had no case other than to believe that nothing happens in the world without a reason and it was the reason behind these atrocities that I was looking for.
I started by believing that those who committed the atrocities were motivated by their hatred of those who they killed and that their hatred was primarily aimed at western states especially America for their support of Israel and their actions in the middle east. As I started to read it became obvious that there was a body of opinion that considered Islam to be at fault.
If I am going to be able to reach a valid conclusion I need to find truthful and valid accounts that deal with what I have stated above and finding that the books that are available fall into to camps is not helpful.
 
:bism:

That's a difficult question to answer as I certainly do not presume to speak for all Muslims. So, I'll explain my view only.

However, from a historical perspective, I see the carving up of Ottoman Empire after WWI into arbitrary borders without considering ethnic or language barriers a trigger to start of the problem, and of course Israel pushing back against people of Palestine more and more without Palestinian peoples' having their grievances redressed on the global stage against Israeli human rights violations back then didn't help the matter as pan-Islamic identity had been globally weakened with the fall of the Ottoman Empire so that no so-called Muslim nation was either capable then or even desirous of effectuating a change that would address the problem of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict when the conflict had been in its infancy. It is also possible that Muslims didn't really recognize the extent that the problem would build up over time because you and I have to understand and take into consideration that people then did not have the type of instant press that we have on our fingertips with the advent of cheap printed newspaper, mass-produced television and Internet; so, news would also have been slow-traveling back then, and maybe the defeat of the Ottoman Empire had knocked such a blow to Muslims then that they hadn't really been able to think through beyond their own internal national concerns to see that Israeli-Palestinian conflict wouldn't be able to be resolved peaceably into the future.

For example, if I may use the analogy, I'd use the analogy of Christendom. When Catholicism had monopoly over Europe before the Protestant Reformation, Christendom had been extremely strong. However, when specific countries chose to give/lend support to Protestantism more times out of geopolitical and economic concerns than religious ones, I do not think they anticipated how weakened Christianity's hold would become over Europe over many span of centuries' time so that many countries in Europe in the contemporary world are Christian in name only but not really observant of the faith. This consequence could not have been really anticipated by rulers who then elected to opt out of being a Catholic nation.

That is because hindsight is 20/20, and unfortunately, none of us really have it.

However, honestly, I'd say personally that Israel is not the root of problem but short-sighted Muslims generally who are too obsessed with West's actions to the point of having a myopic worldview are the problem. In Islam, the view is that God humiliates a people when they are not truly upon the deen (religion/way of life) and honors the people who are on the deen, which means that if Muslims want their external condition to change in the world, their internal (spiritual) condition must change for the better. However, Muslims generally have forgotten this spiritual truth so central to Islam and Islamic philosophy and continue to opine negatively about the West when the divine responsibility rests squarely on Muslims themselves. That's my humble opinion.

Would I be wrong if I say that Muslims are in 100% of agreement, that the creation of the state of israel is the center of the problem?

This is a historical question...

Thanks and God bless!
 
:bism:

That's a difficult question to answer as I certainly do not presume to speak for all Muslims. So, I'll explain my view only.

However, from a historical perspective, I see the carving up of Ottoman Empire after WWI into arbitrary borders without considering ethnic or language barriers a trigger to start of the problem, and of course Israel pushing back against people of Palestine more and more without Palestinian peoples' having their grievances redressed on the global stage against Israeli human rights violations back then didn't help the matter as pan-Islamic identity had been globally weakened with the fall of the Ottoman Empire so that no so-called Muslim nation was either capable then or even desirous of effectuating a change that would address the problem of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict when the conflict had been in its infancy. It is also possible that Muslims didn't really recognize the extent that the problem would build up over time because you and I have to understand and take into consideration that people then did not have the type of instant press that we have on our fingertips with the advent of cheap printed newspaper, mass-produced television and Internet; so, news would also have been slow-traveling back then, and maybe the defeat of the Ottoman Empire had knocked such a blow to Muslims then that they hadn't really been able to think through beyond their own internal national concerns to see that Israeli-Palestinian conflict wouldn't be able to be resolved peaceably into the future.

For example, if I may use the analogy, I'd use the analogy of Christendom. When Catholicism had monopoly over Europe before the Protestant Reformation, Christendom had been extremely strong. However, when specific countries chose to give/lend support to Protestantism more times out of geopolitical and economic concerns than religious ones, I do not think they anticipated how weakened Christianity's hold would become over Europe over many span of centuries' time so that many countries in Europe in the contemporary world are Christian in name only but not really observant of the faith. This consequence could not have been really anticipated by rulers who then elected to opt out of being a Catholic nation.

That is because hindsight is 20/20, and unfortunately, none of us really have it.

However, honestly, I'd say personally that Israel is not the root of problem but short-sighted Muslims generally who are too obsessed with West's actions to the point of having a myopic worldview are the problem. In Islam, the view is that God humiliates a people when they are not truly upon the deen (religion/way of life) and honors the people who are on the deen, which means that if Muslims want their external condition to change in the world, their internal (spiritual) condition must change for the better. However, Muslims generally have forgotten this spiritual truth so central to Islam and Islamic philosophy and continue to opine negatively about the West when the divine responsibility rests squarely on Muslims themselves. That's my humble opinion.
All I can say is that I would like to see you and others that think as you as the single voice of Islam...thats way we would be able to reason and with certanty find a solution to this issues!

GOD bless!
 

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