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That is blasphemous comment even by mainstream Christianity standards.

Thus saith Yeshua.

Is it blasphemous that I send my spirit upon men? I came to my people, Israel and blasphemy was assigned to me. I came and died on a cross as the Lamb of God, to take away the sins of the world. I came to my own and was not received. In these days they shall see me, the one whom they pierced and receive me. They will be my people and I will be their God.

Yes, blashphemy is assigned to me by those who have been made blind and deaf. But my sheep know my voice and they hear me. They have received me and the spirit of truth has been given to them that they may be led into all truth. These sheep have knocked on the door and I came into them.

I and my father are one. I am in the father and the father is in me.
Those that receive me are in me and I am in them.

I will pour out my spirit in these days and the sons and daughters shall prophesy. Old men shall have dreams. I will hasten to perform my word as spoken by the mouths of my Prophets.

I am the prince of peace, Almighty God, the wonderful counseler.

Peace be unto all men but the wicked shall not inherit my kingdom.
 
You should direct that to the people of Israel indeed..

"I have only been sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel," Matthew 15:24 -- it is a wonder to me why Israel doesn't buy into the manGodmotherofGodalterego mythos?
 
BTW why does your God Jesus abrogate commandments he was so adamant about having upheld in the 'OT' much less through the mouth and efforts of his arch nemesis while he was alive?
 
BTW why does your God Jesus abrogate commandments he was so adamant about having upheld in the 'OT' much less through the mouth and efforts of his arch nemesis while he was alive?

The commandments show the pathway to life.

Adam and Eve were deceived and disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden whereby Sin entered in. All of the descendants of Adam and Eve are born into sin because of this.

The Law proves that all are as filthy rags before the most high.
None are righteous before the Lord and none can attain to the absolute obedience of the Law because we are born in sin.
The Law is good and its ways are life.

Therefore Yeshua came to be the covering for our sins. When God looks upon us he sees the blood of Yeshua which is righteousness and we become perfect in his sight.

But Yeshua requires that we make some effort to prove that we are not just providing lip service to him. There is no covering for those who try to deceive the most high.
 
The commandments show the pathway to life.
The commandments are a sign of the covenant which Christians don't uphold!

Adam and Eve were deceived and disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden whereby Sin entered in. All of the descendants of Adam and Eve are born into sin because of this.
Although Adam and Eve could no longer live in the Paradise, God forgave Adam and Eve for their sin after they sincerely repented (Quran 2:35-37). We are responsible for our own deeds and will not be punished for the deeds of another person (Quran 53:38-42). Therefore, Muslims reject the doctrine of original sin. Although Adam and Eve were punished, God would still be merciful by sending Guidance to mankind. "We said: 'Get down all of you from this place (the Paradise), then whenever there comes to you Guidance from Me, and whoever follows My Guidance, there shall be no fear on them, nor shall they grieve.'" (Quran 2:38).

The Law proves that all are as filthy rags before the most high.
None are righteous before the Lord and none can attain to the absolute obedience of the Law because we are born in sin.
The Law is good and its ways are life.

see above.. you are a filthy rag because of your choosing..

Therefore Yeshua came to be the covering for our sins. When God looks upon us he sees the blood of Yeshua which is righteousness and we become perfect in his sight.
That is a nice piece of anticlimactic fantasy-- not even good enough for Narnia.. aside from the very apparent split personality God seems to suffer from.. why don't Christians have respect for God?

But Yeshua requires that we make some effort to prove that we are not just providing lip service to him. There is no covering for those who try to deceive the most high.
You mean like when you dance like lunatics in churches? I wouldn't even categorize that as lip service.. it is just plain satanism!

cheers
 
You should direct that to the people of Israel indeed..

"I have only been sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel," Matthew 15:24 -- it is a wonder to me why Israel doesn't buy into the manGodmotherofGodalterego mythos?

Thus saith Yeshua.

Do you not think that the world has become as evil it was in the days of Noah when I flooded the earth?

Is the world not like the days of the Tower that they built into the sky, where they said we shall not be taken by the flood again for who can reach up to us to destroy our evil?

Do you not think that I, Yeshua have raised up prophets to speak to my people, Israel?

Yet there is evil in Israel just as there is evil in all the earth. I shall gather my elect from the four corners of the earth.

I shall yet bring some of my chosen people into my kingdom.
 
The commandments show the pathway to life.

Adam and Eve were deceived and disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden whereby Sin entered in. All of the descendants of Adam and Eve are born into sin because of this.

The Law proves that all are as filthy rags before the most high.
None are righteous before the Lord and none can attain to the absolute obedience of the Law because we are born in sin.
The Law is good and its ways are life.

Therefore Yeshua came to be the covering for our sins. When God looks upon us he sees the blood of Yeshua which is righteousness and we become perfect in his sight.

But Yeshua requires that we make some effort to prove that we are not just providing lip service to him. There is no covering for those who try to deceive the most high.

God sees his own blood? In Islam, we believe Allah doesnt need blood atonement to forgive sins.

I'm not sure you understand our view of the trinity.

You are basically telling us God came down in human form, then had himself tortured and killed,all to save us from his OWN wrath, all the while being a "PERSONAL" savior yet being sent for EVERYONE??? :? ^o)

Is that correct?

We believe God is unlike his creation, he is something altogether separate. He does not need his own blood to forgive us of our sins.
 
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Thus saith Yeshua.
indeed but you are a gentile!

Do you not think that the world has become as evil it was in the days of Noah when I flooded the earth?
It has, you can thank your fundies for most of the evil in the world.. wars, corruption and transgression against his magistrate!
Is the world not like the days of the Tower that they built into the sky, where they said we shall not be taken by the flood again for who can reach up to us to destroy our evil?

I'd indeed be afraid if I were you for spreading more Paul(ian) lies and corruption to those rightly guided!

Do you not think that I, Yeshua have raised up prophets to speak to my people, Israel?
If you are Yeshua, I suggest you take yourself to the nearest ER for a dose of Haldol Decanoate IM!

Yet there is evil in Israel just as there is evil in all the earth. I shall gather my elect from the four corners of the earth.
They shall be gathered there for a certain fate!
Noble Verses 17:4-10 "4. And We gave (Clear) Warning to the Children of Israel in the Book, that twice would they do mischief on the earth and be elated with mighty arrogance (and twice would they be punished)!

5. When the first of the warnings came to pass, We sent against you Our servants given to terrible warfare: They entered the very inmost parts of your homes; and it was a warning (completely) fulfilled.

6. Then did We grant you the Return as against them: We gave you increase in resources and sons, and made you the more numerous in man-power.

7. If ye did well, ye did well for yourselves; if ye did evil, (ye did it) against yourselves. So when the second of the warnings came to pass, (We permitted your enemies) to disfigure your faces, and to enter your Temple as they had entered it before, and to visit with destruction all that fell into their power.

8. It may be that your Lord may (yet) show Mercy unto you; but if ye revert (to your sins), We shall revert (to Our punishments): And we have made Hell a prison for those who reject (all Faith).

9. Verily this Qur'an doth guide to that which is most right (or stable), and giveth the Glad Tidings to the Believers who work deeds of righteousness, that they shall have a magnificent reward;

10. And to those who believe not in the Hereafter, (it announceth) that We have prepared for them a Penalty Grievous (indeed)."

According to Noble Verses 17:4-10, Allah Almighty allowed for the Jews before the Noble Quran was revealed "that twice would they do mischief on the earth and be elated with mighty arrogance (and twice would they be punished)!" The first time they rose before the Noble Quran was revealed was during the times of the Babylon Empire. When they did mischief on earth, Allah Almighty decided to **** them by sending them the army of "Nebuchadnezzar" and he destroyed them. See also 2 Kings 24:10-21, 2 Kings 25:1-5 in the Bible
I shall yet bring some of my chosen people into my kingdom.

see above

cheers
 
God sees his own blood? In Islam, we believe Allah doesnt need blood atonement to forgive sins.

I'm not sure you understand our view of the trinity.

You are basically telling us God came down in human form, then had himself tortured and killed,all to save us from his OWN wrath, all the while being a "PERSONAL" savior yet being sent for EVERYONE??? :? ^o)

Is that correct?

We believe God is unlike his creation, he is something altogether separate. He does not need his own blood to forgive us of our sins.

Here's a good quote explaining why God doesn't just forgive sins without requiring some kind of payment:

Let's think about that for a minute, in a human context. Such a law might look something like this: "If a person is convicted of murder, rape, child abuse, mutilation, or irreversible destruction of someone's good reputation, he is subject to these minimum/maximum penalties (A-Z), unless the court finds him repentant for the crime and truly committed to a crime-less life in the future, whereupon no sentence/punishment whatsoever is to be levied against him--there is full forgiveness."




The first obvious, major, and FATAL problem with this is that the perp's 'repentance and commitment' seems GROSSLY INADEQUATE to 'balance out' the horrendous aftermath of those crimes in the lives of their victims. Our sense of 'fairness' and 'decency' would be abjectly shocked by this, and actually our moral outrage (a response to evil) would probably also be triggered at such a disproportionate response of the State to such brutalization. Such 'forgiveness' might make a bit more "moral sense" to us at a parole hearing after a couple of decades of imprisonment/hard labor, and/or a couple of decades of amazingly altruistic good works on behalf of the victims (or other victims in the same type of class), but at the point of conviction/sentencing it would be unthinkable. And this shock would NOT be related to some 'dullness in our hearts' or 'lack of love for the criminal' -- it would ONLY come from hearts sensitive to the real extensive dimensions of this evil. It would be the pure-in-heart which would be most shocked by such miscarriage. It would be those most 'schooled by love of neighbor' that would cry out the most over this, as being an act of violation itself.




And this would not be a 'utilitarian' response--we wouldn't be outraged solely because such a judgment wouldn't 'incite the community to goodness'. We would be shocked at the 'moral outrage' level--an instinctive response that a moral atrocity was present. We might not be able to specify what should be the sentence on such a 'contrite indict-ee', but we know for sure that such 'easy forgiveness' is NOT IT.

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/whyjust.html
 
Here's a good quote explaining why God doesn't just forgive sins without requiring some kind of payment:



http://www.christian-thinktank.com/whyjust.html

I am not following your logic. Arent you incriminating YOUR OWN religion? So if it isnt fair for the criminal to get off free, you would rather have someone else die for his sins? Honestly? The murderer faces the jury and says "Christ died for MY sins."

In Islam, no one bears the burden of your sins but YOU.

Anyways, a person who murdered another doesnt know if Allah has forgiven him until he has met him. In the meantime, Allah may choose to punish him in this life or the next. His part is to sincerely repent and constantly ask for forgiveness, and to submit himself to the laws of Allah.

In any case, as soon as the person has murdered, he has brought destruction upon himself by bringing his soul teetering on the edge of hell. What worse punishment is there than this? It is up to him to make amends for it and Allah may or may not accept his repentance, He knows best if the man deserves forgiveness.

I am not the best person to explain this but your article does not argue against the Islamic concept of forgiveness but rather your own.
 
I am not following your logic. Arent you incriminating YOUR OWN religion? So if it isnt fair for the criminal to get off free, you would rather have someone else die for his sins? Honestly? The murderer faces the jury and says "Christ died for MY sins."

In Islam, no one bears the burden of your sins but YOU.

Anyways, a person who murdered another doesnt know if Allah has forgiven him until he has met him. In the meantime, Allah may choose to punish him in this life or the next. His part is to sincerely repent and constantly ask for forgiveness, and to submit himself to the laws of Allah.

In any case, as soon as the person has murdered, he has brought destruction upon himself by bringing his soul teetering on the edge of hell. What worse punishment is there than this? It is up to him to make amends for it and Allah may or may not accept his repentance, He knows best if the man deserves forgiveness.

I am not the best person to explain this but your article does not argue against the Islamic concept of forgiveness but rather your own.

Hmm...maybe these would be better quotes. From the same site:

One final point: I identify this God-the-ground of my/our compassion, mercy, love for beauty, and love for people (as well as the source of all the beauty and balance in nature and physics) with the God of the Bible. Conceivably, one might philosophically ‘back into’ a God-the-moral-ground, who is understood to be supra-human in love, forgiveness, patience, wisdom, social law design, commitment to community and the poor, etc—as I argued above that He is—yet do so in explicit rejection of the identification of this ‘theoretically wonderful God’ with the God of the Bible. They might object that the God of the Bible does too much punishment, does it too quickly, and/or uses warnings that are ‘too harsh’ instead of more coddling, etc. To me, there is a huge theological problem here: the implied silence of this philosophically-derived wonderful, “outgoing”, extroverted, redemption-oriented, community-loving God. If this God really, really cares this much for us, it would be hugely dissonant for Him/Her/It/They to not reveal that love, forgiveness, social law, etc and their beautiful Heart to us who would appreciate such a Companion. This is almost at the contradictory level: “I want the best for you, but I will NOT tell you what that is, how to reach it, how to deal with challenges, how to recover from failure and/or treachery, or even THAT I WANT the best for you”. Love beyond some certain level MUST disclose itself (at least at THIS god-level) and teach the creatures how to achieve good/happiness. Without getting into ‘comparative religion’ territory, I want to point out that the closest ‘match’ between the content of revealed religious literature and this philosophically-derived wonderful God occurs in the Bible. Only the monotheistic religious even HAVE a furthest-back God who can ‘feel’ mercy and offer personal forgiveness. [The traditional Eastern religions’ personal deities are NOT ultimates, and the Ultimate in those systems is not ‘personal’ in the sense we are talking about here, capable of love and forgiveness.] Among the monotheistic religions—all of which claim God is compassionate, merciful, forgiving (yet fair, patient, and consistent in eventual punishment), Christianity stands out as having the absolutely most vivid expression/demonstration of this love, compassion, eagerness-to-redeem, and pursuit-of-forgiveness in the incarnation and self-sacrifice of Jesus the Son of God on the Cross for the sin of the world, as God’s aggressive movement toward reconciliation and restoration of fallen mortals. Nothing else comes close to the incandescence, historical concreteness and immersion, and revelatory explicitness of this act. There are many amazing acts of beauty in the OT/Tanaach—Exodus, Return from Exile, and God’s long-running appeals to Judah through the prophets come foremost to my mind (beauty shared between Biblical Judaism and New Testament Christianity)—but the gift/incarnation of the Son is on another order altogether: “For God so loved the world, that He gave His absolutely unique Son…Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world…God made His love evident to us, in that while we were yet sinners and enemies, Christ died for us…”. If there WERE such a philosophically-plausible God and if He/she/it WERE as good-hearted as He would need to be to ground the many brilliantly beautiful and tender hearts I personally know, then there is every reason to believe that His love has been communicated to us in history in SOME sacred literature, and the best ‘candidate’ for that is the Judeo-Christian Bible. The match is too close. So, it won’t do any good to say “I’ll take the Wonderful God of my philosophical construct, but reject the punitive God of the Bible”. You are stuck with this: (a) such a Wonderful God is essentially propelled to communicate its intentions and relate warmly to its moral creatures; (b) such a Community-Loving God is going to reveal laws for community development/healing in a more ‘explicit’ manner than the vagueness of ‘conscience’ and ‘intuition’; (c) such a Redemptive/Good-seeking God is going to communicate what reality, the future, and the human condition are like [and it might not be ‘pretty’, but it will absolutely be helpful and constructive to know where the ‘potholes’ are in the dark]; and (d) such a Universal-Loving God would have to protect this love-letter to us from radical distortion [some, even a lot, of distortion could theoretically be allowed, of course, but not the parts that communicated His goodness of heart—implying that IF the many punishment passages were INCONSISTENT with His love, compassion, mercy, etc, THEN those could NOT have been ‘allowed in’ at that magnitude, NOR be so interwoven with the love message of the Cross. Errors of ‘weights, measures, distance, and headcount’ could conceivably be allowed to be corrupted, but He/she/it could NOT let His message of aggressive love be twisted into something about ‘punishment’, if rescue-from-punishment were NOT a central expression of His redeeming love. Bet on it.

And, at some level, God was sensitive to the "unjust reputation", for Paul argues in Romans 3.23f that:

For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished- 26 he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.




He wanted it to be very clear that the way to reconciliation was not by the 'whim of a deity' but through perfect satisfaction of the just demands of a just God! In other words, the relationship of peace that I personally enjoy with a morally perfect God is one that is grounded on the solid and unchanging bedrock of His completely satisfied justice! There are no "unpaid claims" against me, no "open issues", no "future debts" to cloud our relationship. God somehow took these upon Himself on the Cross, with the result that He is "just" to forgive me, and I can relax in my heart in His morally perfect presence! What incredible kindness, to construct such a God-costly plan to reconcile me to Himself, without compromising my confidence in His moral integrity! "Justice and Mercy are met in Thee"...
 
This is from Allahu Ta'ala the God of Yeshua the Prophet of Bani Isra'il, and every creature's God, yaa Black Heart:


QS.43(Muhammad):36 If anyone withdraws himself from remembrance(lessons) of (Allah) Most Gracious We appoint for him an EVIL one to be an intimate companion to him.

That's the one you claim as Yeshua 'alaihi Salaam.


37 Such (evil ones) really hinder them from the Path but they think that they are being guided aright!

38 At length when (such a one) comes to Us he says (to his evil companion): "Would that between me and thee were the distance of East and West!" Ah! Evil is the companion (indeed)!

That's what going to happen to you if you don't repent.

39 When ye have done wrong it will avail you nothing that day that ye shall be partners in punishment!

The Syaithan won't protect thee.

40 Canst thou then make the deaf to hear or give direction to the blind or to such as (wander) in manifest error?

Or people here couldn't lead thee to truth of Islam, if you're as deaf and blind as a deaf and blind people.


Assalamu manit taba'al huda (May peace be upon who follow the guidance).
 
God sees his own blood? In Islam, we believe Allah doesnt need blood atonement to forgive sins.

We believe God is unlike his creation, he is something altogether separate. He does not need his own blood to forgive us of our sins.

Well, I see lots of blood being shed between Israel and Hamas right now.

Where there is sin, there is blood.
 
Well, i guess Im off to wander through the Garden of Islam now to look for the unblemished fruit and to cast aside the blemished fruit.

Thanks for all of your links, Skye.

It Looks like I will start with Hadith and the Mahdi.

Peace and blessings upon all. :D

Before I leave Skye...

Left Wing, flap ,flap, flap,

Right Wing, flap, flap, flap,

Both Wings, flap, flap, flap,

Off we go! :thankyou:
 
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Let us pray for this dear lost soul.
 
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My, My. It appears that I am guilty by association.

Let us pray for this dear lost soul.

LOL, seriously I dont know why but that guy made me laugh. Your comment is priceless... "My, my." LOLOLOLOL :haha:

I wonder if he realizes that Abraham, isaac, Moses, Jesus, SOlomon, David, Ishmael (pboat) and basically everyone in the Bible are middleastern?

I suppose Moses pbuh got the Ten Commandments in Italy?:rolleyes:

May Allah guide that poor soul.
 
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Well, I see lots of blood being shed between Israel and Hamas right now.

Where there is sin, there is blood.

Where there is evil oppression and the denial of Allahs ways there is the blood of innocents and children
 

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