A message from Jesus

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Chuck said:
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A Jew, a Christian and a Muslim were having a discussion about who was the most religious.

"I was riding my camel in the middle of the Sahara," exclaimed the Muslim. "Suddenly a fierce sandstorm appeared from nowhere. I truly thought my end had come as I lay next to my camel while we being buried deeper and deeper under the sand. But I did not lose my faith in the Almighty Allah, I prayed and prayed and suddenly, for a hundred metres all around me, the storm had stopped. Since that day I am a devout Muslim and am now learning to recite the Quran by memory."

"One day while fishing," started the Christian, "I was in my little dinghy in the middle of the ocean. Suddenly a fierce storm appeared from nowhere. I truly thought my end had come as my little dinghy was tossed up and down in the rough ocean. But I did not lose my faith in Jesus Christ, I prayed and prayed and suddenly, for 300 metres all around me, the storm had stopped. Since that day I am a devout Christian and am now teaching young children about Him."

"One day I was walking down the road," explained the Jew, "I was in my most expensive designer outfit in the middle of New York city. Suddenly I saw a black bag on the ground in front of me appear from nowhere. I put my hand inside and found a million dollars in cash. I truly thought my end had come as it was a Saturday and we are not allowed to handle money on Saturdays. But I did not lose my faith in Jehova, I prayed and prayed and suddenly, for 500 metres all around me, it was Tuesday..."
 
BlackHeart said:
It is rather that the "word" was made manifest in a man and dwelt amoung us.

It is written that in the beginning was the word, the word was with God, and the word was God.

Does Islam recognize the Torah?

Peace, hope, love and joy upon you.
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In the beginning and in the end and always there is God!

Yes the Torah is from God before "`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

God's first creation was a pen.. not man.. should really emphasize the importance of reflection and learning in lieu of emotionality and nonsense!

..ooOOoo..

It is reported on the authority of `Ubadah Ibn As-Samit (ra ) that he said to his son: "Oh, son! You will never taste true faith until you know that whatever afflicts you would not have missed you, and whatever has missed you would never have come to you. I heard the Messenger of Allah (saas ) say: "The first thing Allah (swt ) created was the pen; He commanded it to write. It said: "My Rabb! What shall I write?" He said: "Write down what has been ordained for all things until the establishment of the Hour." Oh, my son! I heard Allah's Messenger (saas ) say: "Whoever dies believing something other than this does not belong to me." In another narration by Imam Ahmad, it was reported: "Verily, the first thing which Allah (swt ), Most High, created was the pen, and He said to it: "Write;" and in that very hour all what was to occur (was written) up to the Day of Resurrection." In another version from Ibn Wahab, it was said: "Allah's Messenger (saas ) said: "Whoever disbelieved in Al-Qadr, the good and the bad of it, will be burnt in the Hell-fire."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/tawheed/abdulwahab/KT1-chap-57.html



بِسْمِ اللهِ الرَّحْمنِ الرَّحِيمِ
هَلْ أَتَى عَلَى الْإِنسَانِ حِينٌ مِّنَ الدَّهْرِ لَمْ يَكُن شَيْئًا مَّذْكُورًا {1}​
[Yusufali 76:1] Has there not been over Man a long period of Time, when he was nothing - (not even) mentioned?

God creates what he pleases.. we shouldn't be so vain as to think, we are all that matters or all that there is!
 
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Skye Ephémérine said:
In the beginning and in the end and always there is God!

Yes the Torah is from God before "`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
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KJV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8 "How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain."

And the vanity in context of verse 9.

"The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?"

I do not like the NIV translation. It was not a lying pen of the scribes but that the truth of the law is rejected.
 
BlackHeart said:
KJV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8 "How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain."

And the vanity in context of verse 9.

"The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?"

I do not like the NIV translation. It was not a lying pen of the scribes but that the truth of the law is rejected.
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You can subscribe to the version and translation to your liking.. it is sort of inconsequential.. I believe the Jews to be closer (practice wise) to Muslims than Christians, but they have rejected the prophet that was sent to them (the lost sheep of bani Israel) and given your own distorted narrative of his being, one can't blame them for being still lost.. or you being so far astray from the covenant of Abraham...

It is almost sad when I really think about it.. you probably think in your own mind that you are doing good, but you are no different than the idolaters of UR who carved their Gods of dates prayed to them then ate them...


cheers
 
Skye Ephémérine said:
In the beginning and in the end and always there is God!

God's first creation was a pen.. not man.. should really emphasize the importance of reflection and learning in lieu of emotionality and nonsense!

..ooOOoo..

It is reported on the authority of `Ubadah Ibn As-Samit (ra ) that he said to his son: "Oh, son! You will never taste true faith until you know that whatever afflicts you would not have missed you, and whatever has missed you would never have come to you. I heard the Messenger of Allah (saas ) say: "The first thing Allah (swt ) created was the pen; He commanded it to write. It said: "My Rabb! What shall I write?" He said: "Write down what has been ordained for all things until the establishment of the Hour." Oh, my son! I heard Allah's Messenger (saas ) say: "Whoever dies believing something other than this does not belong to me." In another narration by Imam Ahmad, it was reported: "Verily, the first thing which Allah (swt ), Most High, created was the pen, and He said to it: "Write;" and in that very hour all what was to occur (was written) up to the Day of Resurrection." In another version from Ibn Wahab, it was said: "Allah's Messenger (saas ) said: "Whoever disbelieved in Al-Qadr, the good and the bad of it, will be burnt in the Hell-fire."
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Thank you for the reference, Skye. I agree with it.

King James Bible, John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Shalom
 
BlackHeart said:
Thank you for the reference, Skye. I agree with it.

King James Bible, John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Shalom
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are you changing your bible thumping ways and ready for theological reason or this is just a momentary lapse of judgment? :ooh: :p

peace
 
Skye Ephémérine said:
Yes the Torah is from God .
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The words "Us" and "Our" are plural, meaning more than one.

Can there be "One" God that consists of many?

Genesis 1:26 (King James Version)

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Hucho. ^o)
 
Skye Ephémérine said:
are you changing your bible thumping ways and ready for theological reason or this is just a momentary lapse of judgment? :ooh: :p

peace
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Both and neither.

Matthew 19:26 (King James Version)

26But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Double Peace!
 
BlackHeart said:
The words "Us" and "Our" are plural, meaning more than one.

Can there be "One" God that consists of many?

Genesis 1:26 (King James Version)

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Hucho. ^o)
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Actually in both Arabic and Hebrew and undoubtedly Aramaic the plural is used to denote 'respect' if you will listen to sure al waqi3a

[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlgC5CKh26U[/MEDIA]​

around verses 57 on God uses 'nahno' which is 'we' in its entirety .. the closest thing to it is you speaking in the third person.. there is no plurality to God..
to begin with God is described in the Quran 'none like unto him'
so your attempts at anthropomorphism are not only not befitting of his magistrate but kind of puerile when you think about it.. your mind can't wrap itself around the idea of a being so great, you'll have to invent him a poor boy born to a woman after impregnating her with himself and sending his alter ego down to tell her of himself before he gets into her womb..

Religion should be built upon logic and valid reason to go with the nature of man!


peace
 
BlackHeart said:
I have come to you followers of Islam.

Hear Me, the followers of my Prophet, Mohammed. You are the followers of that which is right, saith the Lord.

But you have not accepted my death on the cross as the way to eternal life.

Accept me, the one who died upon the cross for I came to forgive sins and to give you eternal life.

Remove yourselves from my land which I gave to my chosen people, the Jews.

Join yourselves with my new covenant, the Christians.

Christans, join yourselves to my righteous people, the followers of Isalm, who follow my Prophet, Mohammed.

Those who follow my prophet Mohammed, you do error to set your selves against my new covenent, the Christians who follow my new law.

Join yourselves together as One Prophet.

The Deceiver has been cast down and is working to deceive you and to cause division between those who belong to me.

You are the old and the new Covenant that I have set before Mankind.

Join yourselves together as One. The Christians have forgotten that which is right and Islam does not have that which is grace.

Join together and fight the principalities and powers that come against you to deceive you and to destroy you.

Remember the words of my Prohphet, Michah.



<< Micah 4 >>
King James Bible

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1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it.
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You're Syaithan insi which Allahu Ta'ala warned:

Making someone to look back after the guidance is clear and define so that Syaithan make people at ease in doing sins and in having illusions in this life (QS.47:25)

Allahu kalam:


An Nisa (4):157 That they said (in boast) "We killed Al Masih Jesus the son of Mary the Apostle of Allah"; but they killed him not nor CRUCIFIED him but so it was made to APPEAR to them and those who differ therein are full of doubts with no (certain) knowledge but only conjecture to follow for of a surety they killed him not.


Assalamu'alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh.
 
Ludicrous, taking the word "our" and "us" as plural literal meaning. I use to say "we" and "us" in my native language when talking to others but is that means that I am three in one??? I'm still a person with the nickname "Malayloveislam" and there is no one resembling me or taking my function as the person who bear the nickname unless if I have a twin or an impostor who are operating his face with plastic surgery or using my nickname because I forgot to erase my password when joining tis forum. I'm just using the pronoun "we" to be polite and respect, instead of using "I" like in English because in my culture, saying "I" is impolite, beside using "I", I will also use "we". I think I can understand Arabic usage of "we" when God refer to Himself. That is not complicated to understand at all, why making it complicated???
 
malayloveislam said:
Ludicrous, taking the word "our" and "us" as plural literal meaning. I use to say "we" and "us" in my native language when talking to others but is that means that I am three in one??? I'm still a person with the nickname "Malayloveislam" and there is no one resembling me or taking my function as the person who bear the nickname unless if I have a twin or an impostor who are operating his face with plastic surgery or using my nickname because I forgot to erase my password when joining tis forum. I'm just using the pronoun "we" to be polite and respect, instead of using "I" like in English because in my culture, saying "I" is impolite, beside using "I", I will also use "we". I think I can understand Arabic usage of "we" when God refer to Himself. That is not complicated to understand at all, why making it complicated???
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Then what you are saying that God can only be modeled after a man?

Who is like unto God? Who can counsel him? He has chosen the foolish things of this world to confound the wise.

How can the Sun rise in the West? It is only when the eye shall see that it can be believed. It is only when it is made manifest that faith can be grasped. Reason is but a fantasy created by Man.
 
BlackHeart said:
How can the Sun rise in the West? It is only when the eye shall see that it can be believed.
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Exactly, it is sign of the end time when world is coming to end, and that is the reason everybody want to believe then since they will realize world is about to end. It is a sign of the end, nothing more.
 
BlackHeart said:
Then what you are saying that God can only be modeled after a man?

Who is like unto God? Who can counsel him? He has chosen the foolish things of this world to confound the wise.

How can the Sun rise in the West? It is only when the eye shall see that it can be believed. It is only when it is made manifest that faith can be grasped. Reason is but a fantasy created by Man.
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Actually it is quite feasible and possibly have a very scientific explanation.. if any celestial body to move its course by even one degree, can have a profound impact, not to mention affecting our perception..


take for instance

Cosmic Illusion: Mars to Move Backward

By Joe Rao
SPACE.com Skywatching Columnist
posted: 09 November 2007
06:25 am ET


We're now coming into the home stretch of the last good apparition of Mars until 2016. Now blazing in the late-evening east-northeast sky like an eye-catching yellowish-orange "star," Mars is less than six weeks away from its closest approach to Earth during this apparition.

At the beginning of the year, the red planet was 221 million miles (356 million kilometers) from Earth. This week, it will be 63 million miles (102 million kilometers) away and it now shines some 10 times brighter than it did on New Year's Day.

Since Jan. 1, Mars has progressed more than halfway around our sky and now is on an easterly course through the background stars of the Zodiac. It currently resides smack in the middle of the constellation of Gemini, the Twins.

But on Thursday, Nov. 15, that steady eastward course is going to come to a stop.

Wandering 'star'

Actually, for the past few weeks, Mars has appeared to slow in its eastward trajectory as seen from Earth. It seems to waver, as if it had become uncertain. Finally, on Nov. 15, it will pause and come to a halt.

Then, for about the next 11 weeks, the "wandering star," as ancients called it, will reverse its course in the heavens and move backward against the star background – toward the West. Then, on Jan. 30, 2008, it will pause again, before resuming its normal eastward direction.

All the planets exhibit this "retrograde motion" at one time or another. But for the longest time, the ancient astronomers were unable to come up with a satisfactory explanation for it. For one thing, while behaving in this strange manner, Mars will also appear to deviate somewhat from its normal course; the retrograde motion will appear to bring it a little above its regular orbital track. In other words, for those of us watching from Earth, Mars will appear to travel in a loop.

Yet, the Greeks staunchly believed that the sun, moon and planets all moved around the Earth in perfect circles. They had a great difficulty in representing and calculating this mysterious loop and for a long time they had no adequate explanation for it.

The Greeks finally explained away this anomaly by assuming that the planets moved around the Earth in smaller "epicycles" – that is, a small circle whose center moves along its main orbital circle around Earth, resulting in complex, almost coil-like curves. Unfortunately, the actual observations of the planets never seemed to fit this strange orbital mechanism, ultimately making the Greeks explanation quite useless.

The truth emerges

It was not until the year 1543 when the great Polish astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus (1473-1543) had his lifelong work "De revolutionibus" published, that the secret of the odd retrograde loops were finally revealed. By demoting the Earth from its hallowed position at the center of the solar system and replacing it with the Sun, he was able to triumphantly explain the riddle of the apparent "backwards motion effect" of the planets.

In fact, it's the same effect obtained when passing another car on a highway: Both cars are going in the same direction, but one is moving more slowly. As they pass, the slower car will appear to be moving backward in relation to the faster one.

Copernicus simply applied the same effect to the planets. In the present situation, both Earth and Mars are moving in the same direction around the Sun, but the slower one, Mars, appears to move backwards compared to the faster one, Earth.

Just an illusion

The retrograde motion of Mars – like the apparent motion of the slower car on the highway – is nothing more than an illusion. The last two times Mars underwent retrograde motion (in 2003 and 2005), I received numerous inquiries asking if the sun, as seen from Mars, would also appear to stop and move backwards across the sky.

The answer is most definitely "no."

The apparent backward motion will manifest itself after Mars arrives at its first stationary point on Nov. 15. Mars will then begin to loop back toward the west. Earth will overtake Mars on Christmas Eve. Finally, on Jan. 30, 2008, the combined movements of Earth and Mars will cancel-out the apparent backward motion, with Mars reaching a second stationary point. From then on, Mars will loop back to the east, resuming its normal eastward path among the stars


http://www.space.com/spacewatch/071109-ns-marsreverse.html

but if you want to take delusions of men, I really don't think you can win this one pal.. from the descending republican God to the wife/alter ego/son in one will have to win delusion of men hands down..

Maybe that is why Christianity is always reveling in dark ages, even still?

cheers
 

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