A Message To The Non-Muslims.

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/ peace ;

But if you could become an ant, you would be able to communicate with them. That is much like the idea of Jesus God's word in the flesh. You are starting to get it, I think?:? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :?

LOL no , not at all :giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling:
:giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling:

Why God needs to become His own creation ???? That's absurd ...very confusing


God sent us Prophets (pbut ) , God sent us holy books , God gave us intelligence .....Our logic tell us that God does not need to
be a human being or fight with a Prophet (p)-----He is above all these .

Allahu Akbar ----Only God is Great.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/ peace ;

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Are you going to claim that Jesus was nothing more than an angel?

Jesus (p) was a blessed Prophet (p) , his status is higher than angels & lower than God Almighty.

……..except for Muhammad himself saying so, what proof do u have that Muhammad (p) was taught by God?

may i ask ....except complicated explanations of few verses those go against the whole Bible , what proof do u have that Jesus (p ) is God ?

.....the difference between admitting that there are imperfections in Bibles today and saying that the New Testament itself was corrupted.

what are u trying to say ? What's the differences between ' imperfections in Bible today ' & New Testament itself was corrupted ?


We believe that Jesus (p) got the revealation from God. People did not write it correctly , did not memorized the whole Injeel/ Bible , thus they lost the original one. Later , people added many false things in it.

Non-Christian scholars will testify to the reliability of the Christian New Testament as the most well documented of all ancient documents from the Greco-Roman period or before.

That's really strange . Bible publishers are giving warning to Chrisitian readers about Bogus Bible & u r claiming that Non-Chrisitian scholars will testify ?


Why not try to convince Bible publishers first that Bible is most well documented of all ancient documents from the Greco-Roman period or before??

Jesus was and is God; .....You may call it shirk, but it is truer than any words ever spoken by the one you call a prophet.

ok , which Prophet (p) before Jesus (p) told u that to go to heaven , u have to believe in Trinity ?

If Trinity is so imp for salvation , how come no Prophet ever taught about Trinity ? Not even mentioned once ????? Another mystery ??? :enough!:




Uhhhh , i m seriously thinking of not visiting the religious threads for the time being .....running out of patience fast.....sorry if my posts hurt any Christians feelings

 

[Grace Seeker]

Salaam/ peace ;



may i ask ....except complicated explanations of few verses those go against the whole Bible , what proof do u have that Jesus (p ) is God ?

I gave you a whole list of them above. Nothing complicated about a one of them. And I gave several, not just one. But you have not addressed my question -- "……..except for Muhammad himself saying so, what proof do u have that Muhammad (p) was taught by God?" -- at all, only came back with the same question I have already previously answered.

what are u trying to say ? What's the differences between ' imperfections in Bible today ' & New Testament itself was corrupted ?

The difference is that what you say below:
"We believe that Jesus (p) got the revealation from God. People did not write it correctly , did not memorized the whole Injeel/ Bible , thus they lost the original one. Later , people added many false things in it."
This stuff IS NOT how the New Testament was produced, nor how it was intended to be written to begin with. Jesus did not come with a message. He came with a mission. Preaching was only incidental, not primary, to Jesus' purpose. The companions of Jesus recorded what he did as actually being more important than what he said. There was no Injeel as you think of it to memorize, there was instead a story of Jesus' sacrfice on the cross to proclaim. Check it out, this last week of Jesus' life takes up nearly half of each of the Gospels. It is the primary focus of the teaching and preaching of the early church. Why? Because the Cross itself IS the message.

So, if this is what is recorded, and it is, then there is no corruption.

What did happen is that in later copying of the gospels records that there were some scribal errors and while most of these are fairly easy to discern what was the original text, in a few instances it is more difficult and thus not quite certain. None of these are significant enough to change the basic thrust of the story of Jesus life.

That's really strange . Bible publishers are giving warning to Chrisitian readers about Bogus Bible & u r claiming that Non-Chrisitian scholars will testify ?

Yep. Exactly. That's why I just think you misunderstand the nature of what the Bible actually is and how reliable that it is as an historical document, not just a religious one.

Why not try to convince Bible publishers first that Bible is most well documented of all ancient documents from the Greco-Roman period or before??

They already know that it is. What makes you think that they don't recognize that?

ok , which Prophet (p) before Jesus (p) told u that to go to heaven , u have to believe in Trinity ?

That's not even relevant.

if Trinity is so imp for salvation , how come no Prophet ever taught about Trinity ? Not even mentioned once ????? Another mystery ??? :enough!:

The fullness of God's self-revelation of himself was not complete until Jesus came. The prophets could not talk about that which they did not know. None of the prophets were given complete knowledge of God. The Trinity would be one of those things that were true, but that they knew little to nothing about. Though you can find hints with regard to the Trinity in some of their writings.

 

[Phil12123]

I want to hear from a neutral person who’s belief s/he finds more logical …….God can come here, fight with His own creation & was a looser or Muslims are more credible that it’s impossible --- God fought & was beaten.

With all due respect, the thoughts you express are those of a carnal, not spiritual, mind. It would be like saying, a person who engages in fervent, prevailing prayer and thereby receives his prayer request from God, has beaten God and made God a loser. Do you see how ridiculous such a thought is? Jacob's wrestling with the angel (or God) is more about prayer not power, and is commented on by several commentaries which may be found by Googling the phrase, "commentary on Genesis 32." I suggest you do that.

Phil12123 : The Father never takes a position lower than the Son; He doesn't need to. But the Son needed to take a lower position …….. [I notice you leave out my words, ...in order to take on flesh and die for our sins."]

------still u deny what Jesus (p) repeatedly[???] told u: "My Father is greater than I." Son was NOT equal to father ………he needed to take a lower position ….[again, I notice you leave out my words, ...in order to take on flesh and die for our sins."]...u r saying this but not accepting the main truth that, indeed God is greater than all.

In ur Bible , Father was always in a superior position -- except the case of Jacob (p).

GOD (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) is ALWAYS in a superior position in relation to His creation. Jacob is no exception. It is only by the grace and mercy of God that we have any of our prayers answered. Again, God's granting some prayer request does not make Him a loser, nor give us a position superior to His. God is all-powerful and it is only by His grace (undeserved love or favor) that He even listens to our prayers. But for the Christian, He is a Heavenly Father who delights in the prayers of His children, when they are in a right relation with Him, more so than any earthly father toward his loved children.

I see you LOVE John 14:28 and even include it in your signature, no matter how much you misunderstand it. And you know from my previous post that I do NOT deny it, but simply understand it in its proper context, which YOU ignore. You remind me of several Jehovah's Witnesses that I have dialogued with, who LOVE to point out all they can in the Scriptures that might support their erroneous views of the nature of Christ. They are wrong, wrong, wrong, and you are wrong, wrong, wrong, and both you and them are well-referred-to by Peter when he wrote:

2 Peter 3:
13. Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
14. Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless;
15. and account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you,
16. as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
17. You therefore, beloved, since you know these things beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;
18. but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.

--we are not Creator of ants & on the last day, we won’t judge ants. But, God will judge us on the basis of this fact that if we shared oneness of God with someone else or not?

So, Pl. be very careful & don’t associate partner with God…..ur holy book, all the blessed Prophets (pbut) including Jesus (p) warned u against shirk / blasphemy.

---Muslims have many faults but praise be to God only, we are not committing blasphemy----the most major sin in Judaism, Christianity & Islam.

My holy book, the Bible, also warns you that if you believe not that Jesus is God you will die in your sins (John 8:24, 58). And your sins will include blasphemy in speaking against the Son of God. My holy book, the Bible, also says that God (actually in the Person of Jesus Christ) will judge you on the basis of what you did with His work of redemption for your sins at Calvary---accept it and have your sins paid for by Him, or reject it and thus require you to pay for all your own sins for the zillions and zillions of years of eternity. Your believing in ONE GOD without partners, as I do, will not count for ANYTHING at the judgment, because your sins will still remain if you reject Christ's atoning death for them.

It’s a bit funny that Bible publishers are admitting the fact that other Bibles are corrupted but we Muslims have no right to say so.

There are NO Bible publishers who are saying ANY Bibles are corrupted on the scale that you Muslims are claiming. SHOW ME one single Bible published by any reputable Bible publisher that does not contain every verse describing God as "God the Father" and Jesus as the "Son of God," and telling about Jesus' death, burial and resurrection. YOU CAN'T DO IT. So, stop the foolish comparison of ANY Bible publishers with what you Muslims are saying.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/ peace ;

I gave you a whole list of them above. Nothing complicated about a one of them. And I gave several, not just one.

I dont remember ur giving proof outside Bible about Jesus's (p) being God .....ok , Insha Allah , i will try to read ur posts again.

But you have not addressed my question -- "……..except for Muhammad himself saying so, what proof do u have that Muhammad (p) was taught by God?" -- at all, only came back with the same question I have already previously answered

As a believer , holy Quran is enough for me...if it's blind faith ( as u pointed out ) , then how come ur faith is not blind , too ?

Jesus did not come with a message. He came with a mission.

but his mission was for Jews only. There is also a verse in Bible that prohibits Christians to preach to ....i forgot the exact word....say Muslims like me .

May be , it will be off topic here ...but are Chrsitians allowed to preach to Muslims ?

There was no Injeel as you think of it to memorize, there was instead a story of Jesus' sacrfice on the cross to proclaim.

what do u mean ? If Jesus (p) got revealation , then surely he told about these to people. And the words of God should have been recorded....either in written foms or in memory.

Because the Cross itself IS the message.

now , we may start another debate on Cross. Muslims believe , Jesus (p) will break all the Crosses after his second coming.

What did happen is that in later copying of the gospels records that there were some scribal errors

there were not some errors.....those Chrisitians scholars tried to corrected the errors admitted that it's impossible to do the corrections.....thousands & thousands errors.

They already know that it is. What makes you think that they don't recognize that?

then pl . tell them not to use the word bogus about Bible.

That's not even relevant.

:rollseyes

The prophets could not talk about that which they did not know.

yes , u r right . The Prophets ( pbut ) did not know about Trinity.

it's an invention ....not by Jesus (p).

None of the prophets were given complete knowledge of God. The Trinity would be one of those things that were true, but that they knew little to nothing about. Though you can find hints with regard to the Trinity in some of their writings.

if they knew nothing about Trinity , how it was possible for them to give hints ? :?


Verses of the day & night –


“Say: O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)!

Do you criticize us for no other reason than that we believe in God, and in (the revelation) which has been sent down before (us),

and that most of you are faasiqoon (rebellious and disobedient [to God ])?”


[al-Maa’idah 5:59]

 

[Grace Seeker]

I dont remember ur giving proof outside Bible about Jesus's (p) being God .....ok , Insha Allah , i will try to read ur posts again.



As a believer , holy Quran is enough for me...if it's blind faith ( as u pointed out ) , then how come ur faith is not blind , too ?

Were you asking for proof outside of the Bible about Jesus being God? I did not understand that. Well, I did mention that we have the testimony of the Holy Spirit in our own lives, that is outside the Bible. We have the earliest of all Christian writings, the Didicahe, which makes this proclaimation about Jesus, and it is not in the Bible. We have the Apsotles' Creed and the testimony of those who were disciples of Jesus' companions that Jesus was God. These are all Christians witnesses, in addition to the Biblical witness, which express the belief that Jesus was God.

Of course I don't expect you to accept any of that as proof. But maybe you will accept it as proof that Christians believed this to be true long before Paul or and centuries before Nicea. Indeed, may you will accept as true that the very earliest Christians actually did believe that Jesus was God. It was so important that to not believe that Jesus was God was enough to keep one from joining the 1st century church. And in later years when such ideas first appeared within the church, those Christians that held them were labelled heretics and excommunicated from the church.

Now, since we don't have it written in the sky, maybe you want to call it blind faith. I personally think it is reasoned faith, but if you see it as blind faith, then that is how you see it.

but his mission was for Jews only. There is also a verse in Bible that prohibits Christians to preach to ....i forgot the exact word....say Muslims like me .

May be , it will be off topic here ...but are Chrsitians allowed to preach to Muslims ?

Yes, most certainly Christias are allowed to preach to Muslims, to Jews, to atheists, to Buddhists, to agnostics, to Taoists, to animists, to Wiccans, to spiritualists, to pagans, to secular humanists, and even to other Christians.

Jesus mission was "to seek and to save that which was lost" (Luke 19:10). His mission sent him to the Jews, but the very verses that you look to in order to make the claim that Jesus' mission was for the Jews alone (Mark 7:24-30) show that Jesus was willing to be in ministry to others besides just Jews, for he was not in Palestine at the time and he does meet this non-Jewish woman's need.

Also Jesus accomplished his mission among the Jews, but the impact of it was intended to reach all peoples everywhere, this is why he specifically sent his disciples to go to the entire world: "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations." (Mattew 28:19), and "you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth" (Acts 1:8).

what do u mean ? If Jesus (p) got revealation , then surely he told about these to people. And the words of God should have been recorded....either in written foms or in memory.

First, Jesus did and said many things. Not all of what he did and said was recorded. What was recorded and passed on to us was that which was necessary and sufficient for us to know about and believe in Christ for our salvation. Again, you are thinking like a Muslim in thinking that there must be some special message. What is special is not Jesus' message, but Jesus himself. We are not to place our faith in the words he gave to us, we are to place our faith in him personally.

then pl . tell them not to use the word bogus about Bible.

You'll have to point out to me (or do it again if you've done so before) where a Bible publisher calls the Bible bogus. I don't know of any such instance.

yes , u r right . The Prophets ( pbut ) did not know about Trinity.

it's an invention ....not by Jesus (p).

I've addressed this many times with you. Others seem to get it. Please tell me if I am communicating poorly and you still don't understand. Or am I not understanding that you aren't really asking for clarification, and that you just want to say what you yourself believe in this matter, regardless as to whether it is relevant or not. Because it is not relevant that the Word Trinity appears no where in scripture. The word "cumulous" does not appear in scripture when describing clouds, but that doesn't mean that Jesus and the disciples never saw cumulous clouds.

if they knew nothing about Trinity , how it was possible for them to give hints ? :?

Because the prophets were given messages from God, and God knew what he was like. He did not reveal all about his nature until the time of Christ, but that doesn't keep him from giving hints.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/ peace ;

.....I've addressed this many times with you.

i was just wondering , why almost everyone is in fighting mood here

? ....suddenly the normal atmosphere changed.....anybody noticed it ?

should i keep replying or take some time ; so that we can calm down & later come back with a smiley mood

?

we can also have icecream

verses of the Day & night :



This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear God.


Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them;

And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter.


They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper.
[FONT=&quot]( 2: 2-5)[/FONT]

 

[guyabano]

There is finally one question, which puzzle me most:

Where did people go, or what happen to them before THE GOD/ALLAH?

I mean, Egyptians/Romans/Greeks/Azteks etc. had their Gods, and for them, their Gods were the real Gods. What Muslims and Christians call Paradise, the old Vikings in Norway call it 'Walhalla'

Get the point? Everybody believe in someone/something and that keeps us together. It makes part of the social matrix which we are all involved.
But the world will go on, even after Mankind is erased.
Who can really proove, that before the dinosaures, there was not another civilisation which again had their gods?

All this stuff about religion is so silly. I believe in my wife and my children. My aim is to give them a good future. After this, who cares, I will be burned and my ashes will turn back to where they come from. End of story ! There do exist neither a paradise nor a hell. It is just an imagination which humans created themselves to strenghten their beliefs.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/ peace ;

There is finally one question, which puzzle me most:

Where did people go, or what happen to them before THE GOD/ALLAH?......
I mean, Egyptians/Romans/Greeks/Azteks etc. had their Gods, and for them, their Gods were the real Gods.

God is only one ........ God sent to Prophets to all nations to taught people about worshipping one God.

So , those who worshipped one God will enter paradise , those who made statues for worhip purpose or worshipped sun , moon , humsn being , angel etc ---creations of the Creator --will be in fire forever .....if did not repent sincerely.

What Muslims and Christians call Paradise, the old Vikings in Norway call it 'Walhalla'

--we all have different langauages ...in my language i call Paradise ' beyhaest '...so what ?

Get the point?

no

But the world will go on, even after Mankind is erased.

how do u know ?

Who can really proove, that before the dinosaures, there was not another civilisation which again had their gods?

read holy Quran , hopefully u will understand there are no gods but God.

All this stuff about religion is so silly.

it's not silly to God ........so , it's very imp to believers.

I believe in my wife and my children. My aim is to give them a good future.

if u really love them , try to save them from eternal fire.

... I will be burned and my ashes will turn back to where they come from. End of story ! There do exist neither a paradise nor a hell....

It has been answered several times & thousand years ago . If there is no hell , no fear at all but what if really hell is waiting to burn u......must not u be careful ? In this world, we dont' want to be roasted in fire even for 1 second , so how can we deny God & enter in eternal fire ?

Just think & pray if u want . If u don't believe in God , u will be the looser , not the God Almighty.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Regarding preaching on hell, I like what John Wesley said:
"I don't believe in using hell just to scare people into being good, but I have no problem with using the fear of hell to scare them to strive to live lives bound for heaven." (my paraphrase)

 

[Grace Seeker]

should i keep replying or take some time ; so that we can calm down & later come back with a smiley mood

Ask any thing, any time if you are really searching for understanding. But please try to remember those questions which we have addressed. And if you don't understand the first answer, certainly ask again and we will try to find a different way to say the same thing so that you can understand. But if it is you just don't like the Christian answer, then please understand that asking the same question repeatedly isn't going to help either of us much. Our answer isn't going to change, and you will never believe the one we are going to give.

 

[Redeemed]

Salaam/ peace ;








LOL no , not at all :giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling:
:giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling:

Why God needs to become His own creation ???? That's absurd ...very confusing


God sent us Prophets (pbut ) , God sent us holy books , God gave us intelligence .....Our logic tell us that God does not need to
be a human being or fight with a Prophet (p)-----He is above all these .

Allahu Akbar ----Only God is Great.

So He could be our high priest. So that God could fellowship with us because he loves us and wants to be with us. He couldn't do it as a spirit. He had to become flesh and blood, but he is not limited to flesh and blood. It makes prefect sense. The only reason I believe you say it doesn't is because you believe that means ascribing partners to God which you got from the Qur'an, but it is not. What you consider to be foolishness is the power of God to us.

 

[Phil12123]

There is finally one question, which puzzle me most:

Where did people go, or what happen to them before THE GOD/ALLAH?

I mean, Egyptians/Romans/Greeks/Azteks etc. had their Gods, and for them, their Gods were the real Gods. What Muslims and Christians call Paradise, the old Vikings in Norway call it 'Walhalla'

Get the point? Everybody believe in someone/something and that keeps us together. It makes part of the social matrix which we are all involved.
But the world will go on, even after Mankind is erased.
Who can really proove, that before the dinosaures, there was not another civilisation which again had their gods?

All this stuff about religion is so silly. I believe in my wife and my children. My aim is to give them a good future. After this, who cares, I will be burned and my ashes will turn back to where they come from. End of story ! There do exist neither a paradise nor a hell. It is just an imagination which humans created themselves to strenghten their beliefs.

I will give the Christian answer (or at least mine). Someone else will have to give you the Muslim answer, if it differs from mine.

Jesus spoke more about Hell than anyone else in the Bible. He obviously was much more concerned about it than you are. He said that at the judgment when He comes back and sits on His throne, He will say to some, "Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matt. 25:41). This tells us several things. First, Jesus Christ Himself will be the Judge. Second, there will be some who will go into everlasting fire. Third, that everlasting fire was originally "prepared for the devil and his angels," i.e., the fallen angels, the demons.

Satan fell from his original position of a beautiful angel ("the anointed cherub" Ezek. 28:14). He was "in Eden, the garden of God" (28:13), probably invisible to Adam and Eve, but nevertheless speaking through the serpent, tempting them to sin by disobeying God. So, Satan's fall from his original position in heaven had to be before the creation of man, and therefore before all those civilizations you mention. Therefore, if hell was prepared for him and his demons and he fell before there were any civilizations, hell has existed for all of human history. The question you ask is then, Did people go there when they died? Well, before Jesus came to die for sinners, everyone went to the place of the dead and in the O.T. it is called Sheol, the place of departed spirits, both righteous and wicked. There was, however, a great difference in the locations in Sheol of the righteous and the wicked, separated by a great gulf, so that those in one place could not move to the other. The one place, for the righteous, was a place of comfort and contentment, where the righteous awaited Christ's death and resurrection, after which they would be led by Christ as He ascended to Heaven. They are now in heaven.

The other place, where the wicked went, was and still is a place of torment, where the wicked await, as if in a temporary jail, for their trial (the Judgment) after which they are sentenced to their final, eternal prison, known in the N.T. as the Lake of Fire.

So, to answer your question, the wicked of every age go to hell, a place of torment, and then finally to the Lake of Fire. The real question, however, might be, Who did God consider "the wicked" and "the righteous" back in those ancient civilizations that you mention. This post is already too long, though, to go into that now.

I will close with this thought: Eternity is TOO LONG to be wrong about it. If you care about your wife and children, whether you care about yourself or not, you will do as Muslim Woman suggested and "try to save them from eternal fire." You don't need them to keep you company in hell. You will be too concerned with your own torment to care about anyone else, even if they were in torment right next to you. Besides, you would not be able to relieve their torment any more than yours.

How long is eternity? Zillions and zillions of years, and then some. We have no concept of it, we who live maybe 100 years at best. That is like one tiny drop compared to all the oceans of the world. Or one grain of sand vs. all the beaches and deserts of the world. WAY TOO LONG TO BE WRONG ABOUT IT.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/ peace ;

. Our answer isn't going to change, and you will never believe the one we are going to give.

well , from Muslims side , we can say the same to our dear Chrisitans bro & sisters



Grace Seeker:I personally think it is reasoned faith, but if you see it as blind faith, then that is how you see it.


Well bro , I did not start it ….u wrote this & I just replied . Here is ur comment :


Grace Seeker: it looks like an act of blind belief in the words of one man who claims he heard God send him a message through an angel.



[FONT=&quot]Muslim Woman[/FONT]---well , I guess , Jews would love to say same or more offensive things about Jesus (p) .

Grace Seeker: [FONT=&quot]Indeed the Jews on this board would agree with you in making that statement.


[/FONT] ---and ur point is …..?????


Is it ok for u to make negative comment about Muhammed (p) but Jews must not do the same about Jesus (p) ?

OR as they are the chosen people , they are allowed to say anything about Mother Mary (ra ) & Jesus (p) but Muslims can’t express their opinion even if they do it with respect ?



Why is that Christians are so sensitive about Muslims opinion that is expressed with full respect to Jesus (p) but they don’t react much ( at least as same they do with Muslims ) when it’s the question of Jews opinion ???

we have the testimony of the Holy Spirit in our own lives

--how do u know it’s not devil but the holy Spirit ?


verses of the Day & night :


God sees all that is in the hearts of His servants, those who say, "Our Lord! We believe in You, forgive us our sins and save us from the doom of the Fire," those who are steadfast, truthful, and devout, who give in charity and pray for forgiveness in the depths of the night.



-Qur'an, Al-Imran, Surah 3:15-17



Hadith : Like the corn fields that yield before the ferocious winds, the believers endure trials with fortitude. The hypocrites like cypress trees stand arrogantly until they are knocked down.


-The Prophet Muhammad (SAW), as reported by Abu Hurairah





From "The Bounty of Allah." Hadith translated by Aneela Khalid Arshed


[FONT=&quot]“Why do you call me good?” answered Jesus, “No-one is good but God alone!” [/FONT]Mark 6:10

 

[tears4husain]

beautuful and very informational I hope alot of people fully read this thread. May Allah bless you for making this thread for the unknowledgable.

 

[Redeemed]

beautuful and very informational I hope alot of people fully read this thread. May Allah bless you for making this thread for the unknowledgable.

HAVE YOU HEARD THE GOOD NEWS? We have all sinned and the penalty for it is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ. He that has the son has life; he that does not, does not have life, but the wrath of God abides on him. This is beautiful information. I hope you read and are blessed with understanding.

 

[tears4husain]

well I really dont believe jesus(a.s.) has anything to do with eternal life and I actually can prove why,but really dont feel like debating right now but im pretty sure its on this forum some where being proved.

 

[wilberhum]

well I really dont believe jesus(a.s.) has anything to do with eternal life and I actually can prove why,but really dont feel like debating right now but im pretty sure its on this forum some where being proved.

Read my signature!

 

[Redeemed]

well I really dont believe jesus(a.s.) has anything to do with eternal life and I actually can prove why,but really dont feel like debating right now but im pretty sure its on this forum some where being proved.

OK, and then you woke up.:coolalien

 

[guyabano]

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read holy Quran , hopefully u will understand there are no gods but God.
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All in all, you didn't answer any of my questions. I love science, and according to this, the world is already more than 4 billions of years old. The bible is only 2000 years old. Compared to 4 billions, it is barely a glimpse of a moment.
Now and you want to tell me, before God was no other God?
Well, I have 2 different answers for you:
1. The religious one: There are MANY Gods according to all the cultures and civilisations.
2. The scientific one: There is NO God. His existence has never been prooven.
All I hear is just 'He said', 'He Did', He command' ! Weee, and where is the proof, he said that, that he even exist?

I find it rather amusing, that people follow blindfolded stories out of books Bible/quaran which has been retranslated and rewritten 1000 times, everytime with a different author, so guess, what is left from the initial book.

I just give you an example: In the Genesis Book is mentionned the forbidden fruit, right?
But how you can explain, that suddenly, in the bible, they talk about an apple?
Well it's easy to explain: Mostly everyone loves apples, they are sweet, juicy, round shape, that's why one of the authors/translators choose an apple. They are perfect for the temptation story!

About hell, yeah, hell just exist for believers. Listen, when so called muslim suicide bombers can go to paradise, I will for sure go there, anyway, 'GOD' always forgive sinners, no?