A non Muslim and an Aalim

[Abz2000]

it is relevant to all that you knew, know and shall know,
i see afflictions falling upon you like raindrops from the sky,
the door is about to be broken.
all that you know is at an end.

Repent to God, Submit to God, and join the ranks of the righteous before the day comes which there is no averting.
bye bye.
and peace to those who follow the guidance of Allah and establish His Laws as revealed to His slave Muhammad.
and may God forgive our shortcomings and weaknesses as long as we are sincere in obeying Him.

 

[soheil1]

Alcohol can be very harmful in excess, but you are exaggerating. There are many people who use alcohol in moderation with no ill effects.
Alcohol: Balancing Risks And Benefits
Peace

By alcohol we mean intoxicant,drinkable alcohol.
We know that alcohol is also used for cleansing. An Iranic-Islamic philosopher invented alcohol.

 

[soheil1]

But there is a massive amount of evidence supporting gravity as an explanatory theory. It explains so much, and the effects of its operation can easily be observed.

No evidence whatsoever has been found for God, and rather than explaining anything, a God theory actually requires additional explanation.

I think it is more than obvious that a creature (say a human) didn't create himself nor could it be created out of blue. That different things people say about creationism and intelligent design and evolution, have one thing in common: I didn't come out of the blue and I didn't create myself.So I owe my very creation to something else.

Alcohol can be very harmful in excess, but you are exaggerating. There are many people who use alcohol in moderation with no ill effects.
Alcohol: Balancing Risks And Benefits

The Koranic word is khamr (=intoxicant) not alcohol (a vague word).
There are ways to achieve the benefits without the risk of wine consumption.

Incidentally, regarding the benefits of alcohol, I refer you to the following noble verse from Koran:

يَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الْخَمْرِ وَالْمَيْسِرِ ۖ قُلْ فِيهِمَا إِثْمٌ كَبِيرٌ وَمَنَافِعُ لِلنَّاسِ وَإِثْمُهُمَا أَكْبَرُ مِن نَّفْعِهِمَا ۗ وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ مَاذَا يُنفِقُونَ قُلِ الْعَفْوَ ۗ كَذَٰلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللَّهُ لَكُمُ الْآيَاتِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَفَكَّرُونَ [٢:٢١٩]

They ask thee concerning wine and gambling. Say: "In them is great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is greater than the profit." They ask thee how much they are to spend; Say: "What is beyond your needs." Thus doth Allah Make clear to you His Signs: In order that ye may consider

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

By alcohol we mean intoxicant,drinkable alcohol.
We know that alcohol is also used for cleansing. An Iranic-Islamic philosopher invented alcohol.

Evidence of alcoholic beverages has been found in many pre-Islamic cultures going back to the neolithic period. The English word 'alcohol' does originate from an Arabic word, however.

I think it is more than obvious that a creature (say a human) didn't create himself nor could it be created out of blue. That different things people say about creationism and intelligent design and evolution, have one thing in common: I didn't come out of the blue and I didn't create myself.So I owe my very creation to something else.

Well, we all have parents. Beyond that I'm not sure what substantive point you are making, or how this is relevant to the previous discussion.

The Koranic word is khamr (=intoxicant) not alcohol (a vague word).

In English, 'alcohol' is a specific type of intoxicant, so the situation is exactly the reverse of what you say is the case in Arabic.

There are ways to achieve the benefits without the risk of wine consumption.

Maybe, and if you wish to avoid alcohol because of the harms associated with it (or any other reason), then you are of course free to do so. Many people enjoy drinking alcohol, however, and I am sure they will continue to do so.

Peace

 

[ardianto]

Greetings,

Evidence of alcoholic beverages has been found in many pre-Islamic cultures going back to the neolithic period. The English word 'alcohol' does originate from an Arabic word, however.

Greetings, czgibson

In the early period of Islam, Muslims were allowed to drink alcoholic beverage. But then Allah forbade it gradually (not suddenly) through few verses in Qur'an until finally alcoholic beverages become totally prohibited for Muslims. It's because alcoholic beverage can make someone drunk.

Do Muslims obey this prohibition?. Not all. There are Muslims who still drink alcohol. Their common argument is, "Alcohol is prohibited because it cause drunk. If I drink but not drunk, it's okay". This is wrong argument, of course, because the prohibition is for drinking, regardless they are drunk or not drunk.

I myself was one of them. I drank alcoholic beverages when I was young. Sometime I drank high alcohol beverages like vodka or whiskey, and drunk. But more often I just drank beer and it didn't make me drunk.

But now I never drink alcoholic beverages again although just beer. And I have two reasons for this. First, I am a Muslim, and Muslims are prohibited to drink alcohol. Second, there are many halal beverages that I can drink. So, if there are many halal choices, why should I choose something haram?. Alhamdulillah, the second reason makes me strong in holding myself to not drink alcoholic beverages again.

Do you drink alcohol?. Since you are not Muslim, I will not tell you to not drink alcohol. But I still must remind you. If you drink, don't drive. Okay?.

 

[soheil1]

Greetings,
Evidence of alcoholic beverages has been found in many pre-Islamic cultures going back to the neolithic period. The English word 'alcohol' does originate from an Arabic word, however.

Yes, intoxicants were used from the early times.
I should have said he discovered alcohol, not invented it.
Anyway, most people drink alcoholic beverages for fun, not their (few) benefits, and thee benefits are due to the alcohol, not their intoxication.
I am thinking why would vinegar not carry the same benefits?

Well, we all have parents. Beyond that I'm not sure what substantive point you are making, or how this is relevant to the previous discussion.

And they had parents and their parents had their own andd so on. that doesn't "create" a human being, with zillions of cells, and harmony between them and so on.

In English, 'alcohol' is a specific type of intoxicant, so the situation is exactly the reverse of what you say is the case in Arabic.

Really?

In chemistry, an alcohol is any organic compound in which the hydroxyl functional group (-O H) is bound to a saturated carbon atom.[SUP][2][/SUP] The term alcohol originally referred to the primary alcohol ethyl alcohol (ethanol), the predominant alcohol in alcoholic beverages.

Maybe, and if you wish to avoid alcohol because of the harms associated with it (or any other reason), then you are of course free to do so. Many people enjoy drinking alcohol, however, and I am sure they will continue to do so.

Not maybe, surely.
I was not discussing what drinkers would or would not do. And you admitted that they drink it merely for pleasure.

 

[Abz2000]