A peaceful religion?

[جوري]

The Prophet saws told us not to throw our pearls to swine. - This persson does not want to know, he wants to speak in the megaphone and bait Muslims with his argumentation.
Let him do some digging in previous threads i have posted if he really wants to know...

Salaamz akhi.. so good to see you back here..
and full heatedly agree with your sentiment..I do enjoy a good lampoon though ;D

 

[YusufNoor]

Originally Posted by - Qatada -
No, he never. You'll have to bring proof for that.



Originally posted by jyry
Didn't found it.. But this happens when Mohammed give an order to kill a man, but murderer's weren't able to do that. Mohammed ask them to lie. If I find this, I will add the quote here.

Peace be upon those who follow the guidance

1st of all, Brother Qatada, May Allah Reward you abundantly for your good posts. i can't rep you till i spread some around...

Mr. jyry, the incident that i believe that you are referring to is in the Seerah. there was a leader of a tribe who murdered 70 Hafz, iirc. the Messenger of Allah, Salla Allahu Alayhe Wa Salaam, order his execution. the Companions, RadiaAllahu Anhum, who volounteered for the mission requested permission to mislead said murderer in order to accomplish their mission. permission was granted.

again Baraka Allah Feek Bro Qatada!

 

[- Qatada -]

Asalaam alaikum


I think he's talking about - Ka'b ibn Ashraf, who was half arab and half jew (from his mothers side) - he made alot of false poetry about the women of Medinah, aswell as inciting the Quraysh to wage war against the Muslims. So to stop his harm, and to prevent a greater harm - his assasination was permissible, and the companions who went to assasinate him were permitted to lie in order to decieve him into thinking that they never really liked being followers of Allah's Messenger (sal Allahu alaihi wasalam.)


It's better than him causing war and spreading evil poetry about the Muslim believing women.

 

[waji]

9:5 "Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them..."

not reading the whole verse and a little more this verse is used by alot of disbelievers to show islam is not a religion of peace but Islam is religion of peace and mercy
Suran Tauba 9:5-7
#5 "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and pay Zakat, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful.
#6 If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the Word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.
#7 How can there be a covenant, before Allah and His Messenger, with the Pagans, except those with whom ye made a treaty near the Sacred Mosque? As long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for Allah doth love the righteous."

 

[YusufNoor]

Asalaam alaikum


I think he's talking about - Ka'b ibn Ashraf, who was half arab and half jew (from his mothers side) - he made alot of false poetry about the women of Medinah, aswell as inciting the Quraysh to wage war against the Muslims. So to stop his harm, and to prevent a greater harm - his assasination was permissible, and the companions who went to assasinate him were permitted to lie in order to decieve him into thinking that they never really liked being followers of Allah's Messenger (sal Allahu alaihi wasalam.)


It's better than him causing war and spreading evil poetry about the Muslim believing women.

JazakAllah Khayr & Baraka Allah Feek Brother. i searched for a good online Seerah text, but couldn't find one.

and MOST folks with some intelligence would agree that its OK for spies to tell untruths! otherwise they'ld never get past customs: "state the purpose of your journey", "ooh dang, you got me, i'm a spy!?"

 

[- Qatada -]

:salamext:


here's the thread where its discussed in detail;

http://www.islamicboard.com/refutations/15217-assassinations.html

 

[Abdul Fattah]

Although I was against US attack in Iraq, I hope this would be the new beginning for democracy and equality in human rights in Iraq. It seems to be hard still and seems to impossible...

Reminds me of this famous quote:
"If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't stupidity get us out of it?

 

[YusufNoor]

:salamext:


here's the thread where its discussed in detail;

http://www.islamicboard.com/refutations/15217-assassinations.html

Masha Allah for that thread link. i haven't read it all, but it's AWESOME when some of the Brothers and Sisters take the time to discuss issues point by point with folks who have done nothing but copy anti-Islamic sites. it shows alot of wisdom and patience, when it would be easier to just call the perpetrators names and ignore them.


as for this:

http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/SM_tsn/index.htm

:thumbs_up:thumbs_up:thumbs_up

the Sealed Nector online! Jazak Allah Khayr Akhi!