Abortion

[wilberhum]

peace,

Because people like to tailor their beliefs to suit their own desires and convenience. No two people will ever agree exctly on religion, that's the main reason there is so much conflict in the world,someone rebels against their church's doctrine and makes a new one, that gets popular and so forth, an example the church of england, set up by a man,henry the 8th.

The Church of England shows how flexable the Catholic Church is?

I guess I missed some thing.

 

[Amadeus85]

The Church of England shows how flexable the Catholic Church is?

I guess I missed some thing.

No, i think that he means that The Church of England is trying to change its theology and teachings, because the world is changing.

 

[wilberhum]

No, i think that he means that The Church of England is trying to change its theology and teachings, because the world is changing.

M123 said

the catholic church has become more flexible nowerdays, thats why theres segregation within them.

The relply makes no sense. Well unless he/she thinks the Church of England is part of the Chtholic Church. :-[

 

[Amadeus85]

M123 said

The relply makes no sense. Well unless he/she thinks the Church of England is part of the Chtholic Church. :-[

I think you got it ^o)

 

[wilberhum]

I think you got it ^o)

I guess when people have no clue what they are talking about, it takes more time to figure out what they think they are talking about.

 

[Amadeus85]

Relation between christian churches arent easy topic

 

[m123]

salam,peace,

i guess i confused you lot, sorry, i didn't mean to, i was typing fast so i skipped a bit, i am aware of the fact that the church of england is not part of the Catholic Church, i was trying to say that the segregation between the two churches reflects how flexible other churches have become through time
the example being the church of england, so as society changes so do the ruling of certain issues in some churches regarding, gays,ivf treatments organ donation ect...sorry again hope this solved some confusion. magsalama, peace.

 

[Amadeus85]

salam,peace,

i guess i confused you lot, sorry, i didn't mean to, i was typing fast so i skipped a bit, i am aware of the fact that the church of england is not part of the Catholic Church, i was trying to say that the segregation between the two churches reflects how flexible other churches have become through time
the example being the church of england, so as society changes so do the ruling of certain issues in some churches regarding, gays,ivf treatments organ donation ect...sorry again hope this solved some confusion. magsalama, peace.

Yes but notice that Roman Catholic Church didnt change its teachings to please society in recent times. I think that its the main reason of the anti-catholic backlash :blind: But well.. Im just a catholic so my opinions are a bit biased :-[

 

[wilberhum]

salam,peace,

i guess i confused you lot, sorry, i didn't mean to, i was typing fast so i skipped a bit, i am aware of the fact that the church of england is not part of the Catholic Church, i was trying to say that the segregation between the two churches reflects how flexible other churches have become through time
the example being the church of england, so as society changes so do the ruling of certain issues in some churches regarding, gays,ivf treatments organ donation ect...sorry again hope this solved some confusion. magsalama, peace.

Well now that would be true. eace:
But, One should not talk/type faster than they can think. :embarrass
Every religion ends up with many sects and divisions.

That is one of the reasons I came to the conclusion that all religions are "Man Made".

 

[wilberhum]

Yes but notice that Roman Catholic Church didnt change its teachings to please society in recent times. I think that its the main reason of the anti-catholic backlash :blind: But well.. Im just a catholic so my opinions are a bit biased :-[

Of coures you are biased. But, INMHO, you are also accurate. :shade:

 

[m123]

Well now that would be true. eace:
But, One should not talk/type faster than they can think. :embarrass
Every religion ends up with many sects and divisions.

That is one of the reasons I came to the conclusion that all religions are "Man Made".

salam, peace,

could you please expand how your reason led to those conclusion?

 

[wilberhum]

salam, peace,

could you please expand how your reason led to those conclusion?

conclusion?
That you "talk/type faster than they can think"?
Isn't that what you explained?

Or that "Every religion ends up with many sects and divisions"?
Isn't that obvious?

Surly it isn't "I came to the conclusion that all religions are "Man Made""?
Because I answered that. "Every religion ends up with many sects and divisions".

It seams that there have been a minimum of a million religions/sects/devisions.
At less than one change in a million, you think you got the right one?

I liken that to walking into a room with a million balls and you are told that "Maybe" one of them contains a coin. And your response is "I know that blue one in the corner is the one that contains the coin".

I conclude that if there was "One True Religion" it would be so obvious that most everyone would recognize it.

But that's just me.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Yeah, if there is a merciful God, he or she would definitely make the one religion obvios enough for all people to realize it's the right one... If a God doesn't do that and at the same time punishes disbelievers with eternal fire, then he or she just doesn't fit my definition of mercy.

 

[m123]

Yeah, if there is a merciful God, he or she would definitely make the one religion obvios enough for all people to realize it's the right one... If a God doesn't do that and at the same time punishes disbelievers with eternal fire, then he or she just doesn't fit my definition of mercy.

salam, peace

god willing i'll get back to you about that one, theres some grey areas in your oppinion, i don't hope to change them or state the whole 'i'm right and your wrong' view,but a response using modern society as an example, god willing write to you then.

 

[جوري]

conclusion?
That you "talk/type faster than they can think"?
Isn't that what you explained?

Or that "Every religion ends up with many sects and divisions"?
Isn't that obvious?

Surly it isn't "I came to the conclusion that all religions are "Man Made""?
Because I answered that. "Every religion ends up with many sects and divisions".

It seams that there have been a minimum of a million religions/sects/devisions.
At less than one change in a million, you think you got the right one?

I liken that to walking into a room with a million balls and you are told that "Maybe" one of them contains a coin. And your response is "I know that blue one in the corner is the one that contains the coin".

I conclude that if there was "One True Religion" it would be so obvious that most everyone would recognize it.

But that's just me.

you might look at a histological slide like this

and see an ocean of nonsensical pink.. some might think it is a volcanic eruption with a few lava lakes?.. some might assimilate all those whorls to a great piece of art? some might think it cartoonish lasagna gone bad in the sun.. some might think it accidental goo with no meaning a chance event..

some more learned might see it as cells forming connective tissue.. that is what fibroblasts do.. they form connective tissue and they are content to not go beyond that.. and some others might see it as healing cells.. and they wouldn't be wrong indeed those cells come in when there is a wound to form scar tissue.. some others might perceive them to be disfiguring cells?.. face it.. 'scar tissue' never looks like normal tissue it means you are disfigured.. but that is what has come in to save you from having a gaping, open wound .. So you can see how there are only two correct answers.. one deeper than the other.. and one though somewhat correct is very sinister.. for it only saw bad in something that is there to save you....

I suppose what I am trying to say.. the signs are there, if you are looking... and the meaning you attribute, has alot more to do with you than with the one who created you from two cells that your parents donated...
except I honestly think it is so much easier than that, and it won't require you waste 8 yrs of your life to find proper meaning.. you can go as deep or superfical as you like.. but once you have full understanding.. there is no greater reward... I pray you find that reward before it is too late...


peace!

 

[wilberhum]

you might look at a histological slide like this

and see an ocean of nonsensical pink.. some might think it is a volcanic eruption with a few lava lakes?.. some might assimilate all those whorls to a great piece of art? some might think it cartoonish lasagna gone bad in the sun.. some might think it accidental goo with no meaning a chance event..

some more learned might see it as cells forming connective tissue.. that is what fibroblasts do.. they form connective tissue and they are content to not go beyond that.. and some others might see it as healing cells.. and they wouldn't be wrong indeed those cells come in when there is a wound to form scar tissue.. some others might perceive them to be disfiguring cells?.. face it.. 'scar tissue' never looks like normal tissue it means you are disfigured.. but that is what has come in to save you from having a gaping, open wound .. So you can see how there are only two correct answers.. one deeper than the other.. and one though somewhat correct is very sinister.. for it only saw bad in something that is there to save you....
I suppose what I am trying to say.. the signs are there, if you are looking... and the meaning you attribute, has alot more to do with you than with the one who created you from two cells that your parents donated...
except I honestly think it is so much easier than that, and it won't require you waste 8 yrs of your life to find proper meaning.. you can go as deep or superfical as you like.. but once you have full understanding.. there is no greater reward... I pray you find that reward before it is too late...


peace!

PA,
I think you have come to a couple of erroneous conclusions.
It sounds like you assume I don’t believe in god. That simply is not true. Granted I don’t believe 99% of what you believe, but I do believe in god. I also accept the real possibility that there is no god. I guess that’s a major reason I’m agnostic.
It also seams that you concluded that I believe that all religions are evil. Again, simply not true. The fact that I believe that there is not one true religion and they are all man made does not equate to evil. As most all man made things, religion is not all bad or all good but a mixture of both.

Peace
Wilber

 

[جوري]

Not at all.. What I wrote isn't about what I am assuming or not.. this was a mere analogy to the different conclusions reached by people in real life of our human condition.. some are completely off, some are impervious all together.. some have reached the right conclusion but went no further, some have reached the right conclusion and went beyond the how to the why.. and some have gone to how and why but made an erroneous conclusion.. it was but a modest analogy to the state we find ourselves in, in this world...

I don't want to get into the sea of religions or cult.. it is easy to make things complicated for yourself..

there is much talk of COPD, tons of commercials and products, but there is only one way to perform a Lung volume reduction and bullectomy in COPD and it was first described by Brantigan and colleagues in the late 1950s... You can have many correct assumptions, palliative, mitigatory,but only one most correct that will get you the desired end result and where you eventually want to go!

peace!

 

[abu_hurriya]

as you all know, the position of the catholic, orthodox, and most fundamental protestant churches is that abortion constitutes murder.

i would like to ask a pro-abortion muslim -

1. Is it wrong to kill a fetus over 40 days old?
2. Is it wrong to kill a fetus under 40 days old?
3. Is it wrong to kill a fetus 39.5 days old?
4. Is it wrong to kill a fetus 39.9 days old?

Etc.

When does a fetus become human?

 

[Malaikah]

^When the soul is breathed in. It isn't alive before then. But abortion before the soul is breathed in is still not something that is allowed just because someone felt like it.

As for when the soul is breathed in, there are two opinions- either 40 days or 4 months.

 

[abu_hurriya]

i would like to ask a pro-abortion muslim -

1. Is it wrong to kill a fetus over 40 days old?
2. Is it wrong to kill a fetus under 40 days old?
3. Is it wrong to kill a fetus 39.5 days old?
4. Is it wrong to kill a fetus 39.9 days old?
5. Is it wrong to kill a fetus 39.999 days old?

Please answer my question.

As for when the soul is breathed in, there are two opinions- either 40 days or 4 months.

How can there be options on what constitutes murder? How can this be a horrible sin for one woman but perfectly OK for another?