About Christianity

[sister herb]

Both are religions of peace.

 

[LaSorcia]

And both say God is merciful and kind.

 

[Predator]

Your quotes from the Koran are irrelevant here, since as a Christian I don't recognise the Koran's authority.

Jesus was willing to die - but obviously, He didn't WANT to ! In the Garden, in His agony Jesus sweated blood - a known medical condition, which always leads very swiftly to death. His prayer for help was granted and an angel helped Him - otherwise He would have died in the Garden and not lived to be crucified. No wonder Jesus died after only three hours on the cross - only by a direct miracle had He survived the previous night.

Pilate wished to spare Jesus - but the Jewish leaders, aided by the mob, bullied (and threatened) him into ordering Jesus to be crucified. Pilate's wife said Jesus should (not would) be spared.

The stone was placed over Jesus' tomb at the insistence of the Jewish leaders (who feared the news of a possible resurrection) - and was rolled away only by an angel. The blood and water that flowed from Jesus' side are found together in some corpses and issue forth from such corpses if they are pierced - in this case, as a fount of Divine Mercy for all human beings of all times.

The shroud of Turin is controversial from every point of view. The Church doesn't recognise its authority or even that it is Jesus' shroud.

Points 18 onwards are irrelevant - since Christians believe that Jesus was ALIVE after His Resurrection !

You and the rest of the Muslim world have yet to produce proof - or even discernible evidence - that Jesus didn't die on the cross.

Jesus was not crucified and not resurrected , He begins calming the disciples' fear for taking himto be a ghost. He says:

"Behold (have a look at) my hands and my feet, that it is I myself (I amthe same fellow, man!): handle me and see; for A SPIRIT has no flesh andbones, as you see me have.. . . And he showed them his hands and his feet."(Luke 24:39-40)

What was the man trying to prove? That he had been resurrected from the dead? - That hewas a spirit? - What has the demonstration of hands and feet to do with resurrection? "It is IMYSELF!" Can't you see, you fools!? "For a SPIRIT . . . " - any spirit, has "NO flesh andbones, as YOU see ME have!". This is an axiomatic, self-evident truth. You do not have toconvince anybody, whether Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Jew, Atheist or Agnostic. Everyone willacknowledge without any proof that A SPIRIT HAS NO FLESH AND BONES!WHY BELABOUR THE OBVIOUS

To assure them further, to calm their shaky nerves, he asks: "Have you here any meat",i.e. anything to eat? "And they gave him a piece of broiled fish and of a honeycomb,and he took it, and DID EAT before them." To prove what? That he is RESURRECTED?Why does he not then say so instead of proving everything to the contrary? Presenting hisphysical body for examination, eating and masticating "broiled fish and honeycomb". Isall this an act, a pretence, a make-believe,

Luke 24:42
While they were still in disbelief because of their joy and amazement, He asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” 42So they gave Him a piece of broiled fish, 43and He took it and ate it in front of them.


What is wrong with the Christians? Jesus says that a spirit has no flesh and bones,they say that it has! Who is lying? Jesus or you Christians, thebillion so-called followers of his? This is the result of two thousand years of brain-washing.

 

[LaSorcia]

Jesus was not crucified and not resurrected , He begins calming the disciples' fear for taking himto be a ghost. He says:

"Behold (have a look at) my hands and my feet, that it is I myself (I amthe same fellow, man!): handle me and see; for A SPIRIT has no flesh andbones, as you see me have.. . . And he showed them his hands and his feet."(Luke 24:39-40)

What was the man trying to prove? That he had been resurrected from the dead? - That hewas a spirit? - What has the demonstration of hands and feet to do with resurrection? "It is IMYSELF!" Can't you see, you fools!? "For a SPIRIT . . . " - any spirit, has "NO flesh andbones, as YOU see ME have!". This is an axiomatic, self-evident truth. You do not have toconvince anybody, whether Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Jew, Atheist or Agnostic. Everyone willacknowledge without any proof that A SPIRIT HAS NO FLESH AND BONES!WHY BELABOUR THE OBVIOUS

To assure them further, to calm their shaky nerves, he asks: "Have you here any meat",i.e. anything to eat? "And they gave him a piece of broiled fish and of a honeycomb,and he took it, and DID EAT before them." To prove what? That he is RESURRECTED?Why does he not then say so instead of proving everything to the contrary? Presenting hisphysical body for examination, eating and masticating "broiled fish and honeycomb". Isall this an act, a pretence, a make-believe,

Luke 24:42
While they were still in disbelief because of their joy and amazement, He asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” 42So they gave Him a piece of broiled fish, 43and He took it and ate it in front of them.


What is wrong with the Christians? Jesus says that a spirit has no flesh and bones,they say that it has! Who is lying? Jesus or you Christians, thebillion so-called followers of his? This is the result of two thousand years of brain-washing.

Well, we both agree that God preserved the life of Jesus/Essa, regardless of how he did it. That is something good to build on.

 

[ardianto]

What else do we have in common?

Greetings, sister.

How if WE ask this question to Buddhists, Hindus, and people from other religions?. Then we will find many differences between us and them. Even we can find many differences between Muslim like me and Christian like you.

But the differences will not become a problem if we don't see it as a barrier to coexist peacefully. The key to coexist is respecting the difference.

 

[talibilm]

The only valid version of the New Testament is that approved by the Roman Catholic Church.

There is only One God worshipped by Christians - the God of Abraham, worshipped also by Muslims and Jews.

Though you adore the OT of jews but still the jews address Christians as Polytheists !! why ? what is the reason in your view when you CLAIM christians worship the Same God of Moses ?

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you talibilm;

Though you adore the OT of jews but still the jews address Christians as Polytheists !! why ? what is the reason in your view when you CLAIM christians worship the Same God of Moses ?

Because we all share some profound truths, I like this quote posted by Abu Fauzi recently on another thread.....

Once, when his companions asked him: "O Messenger of Allah, what are the most excellent of actions?"

The beloved of Allah, Sallallahu alaihi Wasallam, replied:--

"To gladden the heart of human beings,
To feed the hungry,
To help the afflicted,
To lighten the sorrow of the sorrowful, and
To remove the sufferings of the injured." [Sahih Bukhari].

So, over to us all... let's put this into practice in everyday life.​

In the spirit of searching for a greatest meaning of 'One God'

Eric

 

[Predator]

Well, we both agree that God preserved the life of Jesus/Essa, regardless of how he did it. That is something good to build on.

Yes , but Toldpuddle doesnt believe that . From his statement , i understand that he believes Jesus Died and rose to life again.

 

[sister herb]

Yes , but Toldpuddle doesnt believe that . From his statement , i understand that he believes Jesus Died and rose to life again.

Well, doesn´t this just mean that "God preserved the life of Jesus/Essa, regardless of how he did it"? Difference is just that he didn´t died (before he rose to life before) according to Islam.

 

[Abz2000]

وَتَقَطَّعُوا أَمْرَهُم بَيْنَهُمْ كُلٌّ إِلَيْنَا رَاجِعُونَ

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And they cut off their affair among them: But to Us will all return.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Predator;

]Yes , but Toldpuddle doesnt believe that . From his statement , i understand that he believes Jesus Died and rose to life again.

We do not seem to have much control of what goes into our own minds, The Jews are God's chosen people, Christians are chosen by Christ, and Allah chooses whom he wills. The most important thing with any belief, is what these beliefs inspire us to do, because we do have some control with our own words and actions.

Truth should inspire us towards kindness, patience, compassion and helping others, we should strive to be in control of our temptations and obey God's commands.

I believe that Jesus died for my sins, and rose again from the dead, I know this is not the beliefs held within other religions, but I do not see this as a barrier towards fostering greater interfaith relations. We are all created by the same God.

In the spirit of searching for a greatest meaning of 'One God'

Eric

 

[Grandad]

How about all the things Christians and Muslims have in common? We believe in one God, we believe a lot of the same people were sent as prophets, we both have holy books. What else?

Hello there.

Please accept my apology for the delayed reply.

It seems that you, Sister Herb and Eric H have captured the major things that Christians and Muslims have in common. I was particularly moved by Sister Herbs comment: ‘From the both books, the Bible and the Quran, we can find similar moral codes like what the Ten Commandments include. If we both try our best to follow them, our world could to be much more peaceful place to live than what it is now.’

Allow me to tell a brief story:

I was raised as a Baptist in the Rhondda, South Wales. In the 1920’s a number of Italian families moved into Glamorgan and set up shops and cafes. One of these families settled in my home town. When Italy declared war, and joined with Germany, the UK government issued an internment order against those it deemed to be 'enemy civilians'. This included the Italian family in my town. The husband was taken away, but his wife and three children were allowed to remain at home.

One day, my grandfather was returning from work (he was a coal miner) when he saw a mob hurling abuse (and stones) at the Italian family and their home; at people they had once called friends. My grandfather told the mob to stop, and they did. Many years later the family’s eldest daughter (Maria) was accepted into the Carmelite Order, and my grandfather and grandmother were invited to attend the ceremony. A very great honour in those days.

My grandfather was an Elder at one of the local Welsh Baptist Chapels. The Elders employed the Minister.

When I was a teenager, one Minister came to my grandfather’s house. He was treated like royalty. My grandfather called him ‘Sir’. Later, I asked my grandfather why he had called this man ‘Sir’; after all, he was the Minister’s boss! My grandfather smiled, and said: ‘I’m just an Elder. The Minister speaks the Word!’

When my grandfather died, several hundred men – of all ages – attended his funeral (women did not do so in those days). They filled the chapel, and many were weeping openly.

My grandfather was able to calm a howling mob – and move the hearts of many – not because of any legal authority (he had none), but because of his character; because of the person he was. He lived his Faith as it was meant to be lived. A Christian would say that he reflected the love of Jesus; and that it was this that made him a beacon for others. I would say that he reflected the love of Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla).

My grandfather led by example rather than argument. He followed the teachings of his Faith; and I’m quite sure he would have been equally as faithful had he been a Muslim (or a Jew, for that matter)

Although I can no longer share all of his theology he remains, by far, the finest man I have ever met.

 

[Grandad]

Many Muslims who were formerly Christian, say it feels like they have returned home, and they feel closer to Jesus now than when they were Christian, as a quote from a former Christian on the forum, who was a seminarian for many years, shows:

As-Salāmu ‘alaykum, sister.

Again, I apologise for the delayed reply.

I’ve heard that said; and I share the sentiment. However, we mustn’t lose sight of the fact that Christians can (and do) feel an enormous attachment to Jesus; and a very great reverence. Aside from my grandfather (please see my post above) I have known many other Christians who felt nothing but spiritual satisfaction; fulfillment; and a very deep happiness when thinking of this man. We ought not to be surprised by this. After all, Yeshua (radi Allahu ‘anhu) was a prophet of the Most High (may His Name be exalted) and, as such, a mirror reflecting His Love.

 

[Insaanah]

It has occurred to me that God has revealed different pieces of the same picture to different groups of people, maybe in the hopes that we can put our pieces together and make a picture of the whole truth that God was trying to reveal to humanity.

God revealed the same fundamental truth to different groups of people - the truth that there is no God but He, without associate in His Exclusive Divinity, and that the prophet conveying that truth should be obeyed in that regard. That truth got some times forgotten and was sometimes changed by people. But now the whole truth is preserved, untampered, for all mankind, in the Qur'an. It is a confirmation, continuation, and culmination of the truth revealed before. Now there's no longer a need to put pieces together to try to search for, decipher, and put together pieces to find the truth, when it is now clear, complete, and unchanged. That does not negate the fact that there are of course things in common, and the Qur'an in fact calls for a fundamental commonality:

Say: O People of the Scripture! Come to common terms as between us and you: that we shall worship none but Allah, and that we shall ascribe no partner unto Him, and that none of us shall take others for lords beside Allah. And if they turn away, then say: Bear witness that we are they who have surrendered (unto Him). (3:64)

Peace.