According to the Bible, Jesus isn't even a prophet?

[glo]

LOL@Glo

Glo sister, i was wondering if you could shed some light on this, i did ask Phil12123 but he's seemed to have vanished!

Jesus on the cross said 'My God why do you forsske me'' Now if he's God why does he talk to God looking up at the heavens, or is he talking to himself? Which would apear quite delusional, no?

Hi AvarAllahNoor

Let me give you an attempted answer in my own words.

I believe that Jesus is God incarnate. That means God came to earth in the form of man. During the 33 years of his earthly life Jesus was human. (Before you ask how God can be God and man at the same time, let me quickly say that God is all-powerful and all-present, so of course he can)

I believe that with Jesus' death God made a new convenant with his people.
If you read the Old Testament you see a whole list of accounts of how people fail God. They did then, and they still do now.
God made a convenant first with Adam, then with Noah, then with Abraham, then with Moses. Yet, again and again people turned away from God.
The laws, the sacrifices ..., nothing enabled human beings to remain faithful to God.
Therefore, God made the final convenant when he offered the perfect human being as a sacrifice for all our sins - the only way we can be forgiven.

It is sin which separates us from God (I guess you may be able to agree with this part), so on the cross, when Jesus carried all out sins and failing, he felt separate from God.

“And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”

(Matthew 27:46)

These words are actually from Psalm 22, which Christians see as a prophetic psalm, pointing towards Jesus' suffering and death.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=psalm 22&version=31

I don't expect you to agree with what I have written, but this is my attempt to explain my beliefs. If you genuinely wanted to hear my answer, here it is. I hope you can respect it.

I guess, some of your question relates to the trinity issue.
I gather that you have strong views in that department (see http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/26571-trinity.html), so I won't go there now.

Peace,

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Hi AvarAllahNoor

Let me give you an attempted answer in my own words.

I believe that Jesus is God incarnate. That means God came to earth in the form of man. During the 33 years of his earthly life Jesus was human. (Before you ask how God can be God and man at the same time, let me quickly say that God is all-powerful and all-present, so of course he can)

I believe that with Jesus' death God made a new convenant with his people.
If you read the Old Testament you see a whole list of accounts of how people fail God. They did then, and they still do now.
God made a convenant first with Adam, then with Noah, then with Abraham, then with Moses. Yet, again and again people turned away from God.
The laws, the sacrifices ..., nothing enabled human beings to remain faithful to God.
Therefore, God made the final convenant when he offered the perfect human being as a sacrifice for all our sins - the only way we can be forgiven.

It is sin which separates us from God (I guess you may be able to agree with this part), so on the cross, when Jesus carried all out sins and failing, he felt separate from God.
(Matthew 27:46)

These words are actually from Psalm 22, which Christians see as a prophetic psalm, pointing towards Jesus' suffering and death.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=psalm 22&version=31

I don't expect you to agree with what I have written, but this is my attempt to explain my beliefs. If you genuinely wanted to hear my answer, here it is. I hope you can respect it.

I guess, some of your question relates to the trinity issue.
I gather that you have strong views in that department (see http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/26571-trinity.html), so I won't go there now.

Peace,

Well you are right that i still find it difficult to fathom that God could appear on earth after he claims he's not a living God. But that does not mean i won't respect your belief! Thanks for making the effort.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh!

 

[glo]

Well you are right that i still find it difficult to fathom that God could appear on earth after he claims he's not a living God. But that does not mean i won't respect your belief! Thanks for making the effort.

You are welcome.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh!

I'm curious. What does this mean?

peace.

 

[dougmusr]

LOL@Glo

Glo sister, i was wondering if you could shed some light on this, i did ask Phil12123 but he's seemed to have vanished!

Jesus on the cross said 'My God why do you forsske me'' Now if he's God why does he talk to God looking up at the heavens, or is he talking to himself? Which would apear quite delusional, no?

Read Psalm 22 to see where Jesus words came from. Jesus frequently quoted the Jewish scriptures. He obviously believed Psalm 22 applied to Him.

Ps 22:1 My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me? Why are You so far from helping Me, And from the words of My groaning?

Matthews account of the crucifixion says:

Mt 27:41 Likewise the chief priests also, mocking with the scribes and elders, said, 42 "He saved others; Himself He cannot save. If He is the King of Israel, let Him now come down from the cross, and we will believe Him. 43 "He trusted in God; let Him deliver Him now if He will have Him; for He said, 'I am the Son of God.' "

Which is prophecy from Psalms.

Ps 22:8 "He trusted in the LORD, let Him rescue Him; Let Him deliver Him, since He delights in Him!"

Jesus said He prayed out loud so that the people would understand the God had sent Him.

Jn 11:41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead man was lying. And Jesus lifted up His eyes and said, "Father, I thank You that You have heard Me. 42 "And I know that You always hear Me, but because of the people who are standing by I said this, that they may believe that You sent Me." 43 Now when He had said these things, He cried with a loud voice, "Lazarus, come forth!" 44 And he who had died came out bound hand and foot with graveclothes, and his face was wrapped with a cloth. Jesus said to them, "Loose him, and let him go."

I'm of the opinion that Islam does not believe Christ was crucified, and since it does not believe in the crucifixion, it obvioulsy denies this verse was contained in the original Gospel. Are you indicating by your question that you believe in the crucifixion, just not Christs diety?

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

You are welcome.

I'm curious. What does this mean?

peace.

It's a Sikh salutation. Usually Sat Shri Akal (God is Truth) is said.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh

''The Khalsa (pure) belong to God, Victory belongs to God''