Afghan Man Faces Death for Allegedly Converting to Christianity

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Nimrod:


Yes, a few of us have noticed mahdi's illogical command. ;)

Illogical?

Whats so Illogical? Im telling you to mind your business about what goes on In Afghanistan and you said its Illogical? Who are you what you say or do is it going to affect anything that goes there? People have the right to whine about wherever they like. But When you talk about My HomeLand Afghanistan and how it implements its law in a wrongful or thats how you percieve it to be. MY LOGIC comes in and states that whatever you percieve YOUR LAW to be thats your business. Afghanistan has its own business of taking care of things.
 
Afghanistan has its own business of taking care of things.
Except this forum is about ISLAM and people in Afghanistan are attempting to use the laws of ISLAM to kill someone for making up his own mind!
This issue cuts to the core of Islam in the west and Islam and the west so we will discuss it as long as we like.
 
You can discuss it But whether or not you should disrespect how the country implements Islamic law, thats when i intervene
 
Mahdisoldier I hope you are not taking my relies as an insult to Afghanistan or the people living there. That would be disrespectful.

To discuss how a country implements Islamic laws is not disrespectful.
I see folks doing it on this message board all the time concerning Saudi Arabia and how that country chooses to apply Islamic laws.

My replies are not meant to be disrespectful towards anyone or anyones religion.

Thanks
Nimrod
 
Afghan Clerics Call Christian Convert 'Apostate'

Friday , March 24, 2006




KABUL, Afghanistan — International pressure grew Friday on Afghanistan to free a man on trial for converting from Islam to Christianity, as clerics in Kabul condemned him as an apostate who deserved to die.

Australia's Prime Minister John Howard on Friday joined the chorus of Western leaders to express concern over the case of Abdul Rahman and said he would protest personally to Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

"This is appalling. When I saw the report about this I felt sick literally," Howard told an Australian radio network. "The idea that a person could be punished because of their religious belief and the idea they might be executed is just beyond belief."

Rahman, a 41-year-old former medical aid worker, faces the death penalty under Afghanistan's Islamic laws for becoming a Christian.

Senior clerics in the Afghan capital have voiced strong support for the prosecution and have warned they would incite people to execute Rahman unless he reverted to Islam.

That message was reiterated that at Friday prayers.

Rahman had "committed the greatest sin" by converting to Christianity and deserved to be killed, cleric Abdul Raoulf said in his sermon at Herati Mosque.

"God's way is the right way, and this man whose name is Abdul Rahman is an apostate," he told about 150 worshippers.

Rahman's trial, which started last week, has fired passions in this conservative Muslim nation and highlighted a conflict of values between Afghanistan and its Western backers.

U.S. President George W. Bush expressed alarm this week, and on Thursday, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice phoned Karzai, seeking a "favorable resolution" of the case. She said Washington looked forward to that "in the very near future."

The presiding judge in the case and a spokesman for Karzai — who took power after the ouster of the hard-line Taliban regime in a U.S.-led war in late 2001 — declined to comment about the case Friday, the weekly holiday in Afghanistan.

Rice spokesman Sean McCormack said she told Karzai it is important for the Afghan people to know that freedom of religion is observed in their country.

Her direct appeal to a foreign leader in a judicial proceeding in their own country was unusual. But in deference to the country's sovereignty, Rice evidently did not demand specifically that the trial be halted and the defendant released.

"This is clearly an Afghan decision," McCormack said.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel told reporters she had received assurances from Karzai in a telephone call that Rahman would not be sentenced to death.

Diplomats have said the Afghan government is searching for a way to drop the case. On Wednesday, authorities said Rahman is suspected of being mentally ill and would undergo psychological examinations to see whether he is fit to stand trial.
 
Mood Hardens Against Afghan Christian

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/south_asia/4841334.stm

Mood hardens against Afghan convert
By Sanjoy Majumder
BBC News, Kabul


Increasing international pressure over the case of Christian convert Abdul Rahman is forcing the Afghan government to play a careful balancing act between its Western allies and religious conservatives at home.

Under the interpretation of Islamic Sharia law on which Afghanistan's constitution is based, Mr Rahman faces the death penalty unless he reconverts to Islam.

"The Prophet Muhammad has said several times that those who convert from Islam should be killed if they refuse to come back," says Ansarullah Mawlafizada, the trial judge.

"Islam is a religion of peace, tolerance, kindness and integrity. That is why we have told him if he regrets what he did, then we will forgive him," he told the BBC News website.

'Deserves it'

The judge's comments are one indication of why President Hamid Karzai, who already has a reputation for being pro-Western, faces some difficult choices.

The president has yet to comment publicly on the trial but statements put out by his office point out that, while the government respects human rights and personal freedom, the country has an independent judicial system.

Who is America to tell us what to do? If Karzai listens to them there will be jihad
Mohammed Qadir
Kabul resident​

In practice, it is even more complicated.

The Afghan judiciary is dominated by religious conservatives, many with strong religious ties or backgrounds.

Many feel it will be difficult for the president and the government to confront the judiciary.

But the bigger problem confronting the president is that an overwhelming number of ordinary Afghans appear to believe Mr Rahman has erred and deserves to be executed.

At Friday prayers in mosques across the Afghan capital, the case of Abdul Rahman and the consequent international outcry is the hot topic of discussion and the centrepiece of sermons.

"We will not let anyone interfere with our religious practices," declared cleric Inayatullah at Kabul's Pulakasthy mosque, one of the city's largest.

"What Rahman has done is wrong and he must be punished."

Public mood

The issue has not reached the stage of street protests, as was the case recently during demonstrations against the publication in the West of cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad.

But there is little doubt that feelings run deep and can easily be inflamed.

"What is wrong with Islam that he should want to convert?" asks an agitated Abdul Zahid Payman.

"The courts should punish him and he should be put to death."

Few were willing to listen to the growing condemnation in the West.

"According to Islamic law he should be sentenced to death because God has clearly stated that Christianity is forbidden in our land," says Mohammed Qadir, another worshipper.

US President George Bush says he is "deeply troubled" by the case.

That cuts no ice with Mr Qadir.

"Who is America to tell us what to do? If Karzai listens to them there will be jihad (holy war)."

Western backers of the Afghan government are pressing to create a country that is a moderate and progressive democracy, able to turn its back on its Taleban past.

But analysts say they often forget that Afghanistan is a deeply conservative country rooted in tribal traditions.

"This is a Muslim country. The state is Muslim, people are Muslim 99%," says Judge Ansarullah.

"This is a very sensitive issue."

Afghanistan's constitution, written in 2004, enshrines the country as an Islamic state under which no law can contravene Islam.

But it also protects personal freedom and respects international human rights conventions.

"It is a deliberately ambiguous document which tries to paper over the cracks and contradictions of Afghanistan," says one Afghan law professor privately.

"But now the contradictions have risen to the surface."

Published: 2006/03/24 14:20:31 GMT​
 
Re: Mood Hardens Against Afghan Christian

What is all this..talk about
the religion of peace and tolerance!
 
What is this All about Talk about A Religion(Christianity) That is suppose to turn the other cheek, Yet They invade murder christians without trial during hte middles ages. They killed thousands of innocent people in the name of christianity. The church told the crusaders that the saracens ( Muslims) Mothers eat their own kids. Oh dont worry i have tons more to mention
 
State-appropriated Christianity and Christianity as a spiritual path are two very different issues, soldier. Institutions have often hijacked Christianity for its own uses, but that does not necessarily reflect on the teachings of Jesus. Much like a suicide bomber's actions should not reflect the Prophet Mohammad... right? Or are we practicing a double standard here?
 
If institutions hijacked Christianity then thats their problem not Islams Problem.

You talk about suicide bombing? Im not going to justify that because i find that unislamic myself but let us say you have your family. Then one day a person whom you hated all your life tells you im going to live with you. And you have no choice but to do it. Then next day he tells you to get out, rapes your mother, tortures your father and your brothers and sisters and destroys your house that you worked so long for. You tell me At that MOMENT when that HAPPENS you tell me what will go through your mind.

Islam has its own way of dealing with issues, if a Country follows it and everyone decides to whine about whats going on. Then the people should just mind their own business. When Innocent people are put to death in texas for murder, death row. Do you see the Muslim World going crazy?

If the teachings of Christianity is to turn the Other Cheek And your saying its coming from Jesus? Your conflicting your Statement. Islam was not made by Muhammad sws. Islam was the law that was being presented through the Abrahamic Religion to Moses, Jesus now Muhammad.

When a christian nun covers herself people say it is respectful, But when a Muslim woman covers herself it is called Oppression?
 
What are you on about? Nuns? What does this have to do with the man being executed again? Or are we merely going tit-for-tat and trying to figure out whose civilization is "best"? Sorry, I don't play those games.
 
I think the Muslim World, and the rest of the world, should be going crazy over the executions in Texas. I am a firm opposer of the death penalty in general, especially to the way its applied in states like Texas. The death penalty only serves to further brutalize society, according to the best criminologists we have in this country, and beyond.
 
Salaam

Well how come no one makes a fuss about executions in prisons, oh yeah I remember they just broke some law, and they deserve it right?, well can't the same be applied to this case.
 
No one makes a fuss? Excuse me? There's is a huge anti-death penalty movement in the States. I'm part of it. As for places like Canada, the UK, and beyond, they don't even have the death penalty anymore.
 
No one makes a fuss? Excuse me? There's is a huge anti-death penalty movement in the States. I'm part of it. As for places like Canada, the UK, and beyond, they don't even have the death penalty anymore.

Salaam

Ok you got a point there, but what I ment was the media doesn't pick up on these case that much, but when islam is connected it's everywhere I even know about it and I don't even watch the news.
 
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Probably has to do with the billions of dollars invested in Afghanistan at the moment. Just a guess on my part. I agree that the media will pick and choose these things, based on a lot of external factors, not all of them particularly commendable. The media, for example, often highlights missing white women in the U.S.A. If a black woman goes missing, however, most people don't bat an eyelash. Unless she's pregnant. I was recently surprised that CNN would bother with running a story on a missing black woman, until I realized that she had one in the oven. What can I say? The media is as biased as any entity.
 
Salaam

Well how come no one makes a fuss about executions in prisons, oh yeah I remember they just broke some law, and they deserve it right?, well can't the same be applied to this case.

Just to add to the discussion that has taken place since this quote. There is in addition to the reasons that have been given as to why this is getting so much attention, the fact that in the western way of thinking, choosing any religion, christianity, islam, buddism, is not a crime. A person should be free to choose. Therefore following this thinking, a person would say that the fact that he is even on trial is wrong in the first place.
Islam itself, I have heard from other members, does not condemn those of other religions. I have been told that a muslim is to respect those of other faiths. Therefore I must conclude from this, that the law that is in place that puts this man on trial, is unislamic. It certainly is not a law that promotes peace or tolerance.
 
What is this All about Talk about A Religion(Christianity) That is suppose to turn the other cheek, Yet They invade murder christians without trial during hte middles ages. They killed thousands of innocent people in the name of christianity. The church told the crusaders that the saracens ( Muslims) Mothers eat their own kids. Oh dont worry i have tons more to mention

All that would be handy if someone was claiming Christianity is and always was better than Islam. So if you see someone do that remember to mention all that stuff. In the meantime, no matter how badly the Catholic Church used to behave, and I do not believe they told Christians that Muslims ate their own children, it is not a justification for Muslims behaving badly now. If you want to say this is Sharia and what God wants, please go ahead. But calling Knuckle's Mother fat won't make your any thinner.
 

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