African Converts

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

I doesnt matter who posted it and why. The fact for that line i quoted and then they make it look like we wana force. Cuz as Muslims we want to help people, it looks like propaganda. That article is propaganda.

A recent report by a Christian organization, Frontline Fellowship, which spearheads the growth of Christianity in Africa.

That tells me enough. Its almost like a threat to them.

They are building schools there, doesnt mean everyone will convert. Its less pushy than what some people do.

 

[IzakHalevas]

So whether this is humanitarian or deception depends on whether it is the Bible or the Quran that is coupled with the assistance.

Exactly. Muslims cry and say those darn Christians, decieving, yet they are doing the EXACT same thing.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

People say we dont do enuff good, and if we do, its automatically that we are "trying" to gain converts. Pick one side and stick to it. Dont create double standards. Have u ever thought that there ARE Muslims there, so they r building schools for them? Talk about twisting. Gotta look at both sides.

 

[IzakHalevas]

People say we dont do enuff good, and if we do, its automatically that we are "trying" to gain converts. Pick one side and stick to it. Dont create double standards. Hvae u ever thought that there ARE Muslims there, so they r building schools for them? Talk about twisting.

I believe the sole purpose of Christian and Islamic missionaries being there is to convert and not to do good, although you most likely believe converting is doing good.

If the African people refused and not one in 10 years converted to either christianity or islam, would either of your religions be putting as much money into Africa? I doubt it.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

How do u know. Are u an official or something? Are u Muslim? Do u accept what we do? No, of course not. So u wouldnt think anything we do would be out of goodness. If a Jew does somethin good, ull say he did it out of goodness, but u wouldnt think he did it to trick people. Your opinions r just assumptions. It isnt reality. There are many good Christians and Muslims and many decieving ones. I know from experience.

 

[shible]

Though this might be a bit shocking information, this this also happens in India but not in huge numbers.

and on the other side in Us the number of people converted to Islam increases rapidly when compared to other western countries.

And one more info in Indonesia more than Eleven thousand muslims converted to Islam and on the past year Tsunami disaster many people in Indonesia died and most of them were identified as Muslim.

All we can do is protect ourselves with Islam and try to help both our brothers and sisters Both Muslim and Non-muslim to know the facts, thoughts and way of Islam. Allah is the one makes the rest.

Beware Preeching is different from what i told. Waht we will be doing is we will be clearing their doubts and this way they will become more interested in our Religion and who knows under Allah's mercy they could aslo become a very better Muslim

 

[AHMED_GUREY]

I doesnt matter who posted it and why. The fact for that line i quoted and then they make it look like we wana force. Cuz as Muslims we want to help people, it looks like propaganda. That article is propaganda.

i googled it and found it interesting no? almost everything on the net is propaganda so it's difficult to find any unbiased sources regarding this issue

That tells me enough. Its almost like a threat to them.

no sister they mean they are on the forefront of spreading their Christian faith in Africa and yes with 1 billion people Africa is a good place to attract new followers for any religion

They are building schools there.

this is very good Africa needs this!

 

[abdmez]

How do u know. Are u an official or something? Are u Muslim? Do u accept what we do? No, of course not. So u wouldnt think anything we do would be out of goodness. If a Jew does somethin good, ull say he did it out of goodness, but u wouldnt think he did it to trick people. Your opinions r just assumptions. It isnt reality. There are many good Christians and Muslims and many decieving ones. I know from experience.

Nice post sis!

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

thats why i said its like a threat to them. cuz they r doing the same thing. So if a Muslim tries to do smethin good and somone accepts on their own behalf, its forcively trying to gain. who DOESNT want followers, be honest. But we cannot force. EVER. theres a difference. In islamic schools there are usually non muslims, and they choose for themselves. some accept some dont. plain and simple. If someone wants to build islamic schools, it seems to them we want to get ppl to convert and just cuz its not "secular." maybe u havent realized but we rnt allowed to have mix schools or "secular" ones.

 

[AHMED_GUREY]

i agree!

 

[dougmusr]

thats why i said its like a threat to them. cuz they r doing the same thing. So if a Muslim tries to do smethin good and somone accepts on their own behalf, its forcively trying to gain. who DOESNT want followers, be honest. But we cannot force. EVER. theres a difference. In islamic schools there are usually non muslims, and they choose for themselves. some accept some dont. plain and simple. If someone wants to build islamic schools, it seems to them we want to get ppl to convert and just cuz its not "secular." maybe u havent realized but we rnt allowed to have mix schools or "secular" ones.

The same of course would be true for Christian mission schools. The Gospel would be presented and there would be Bible in the curriculum but there is no such thing as a forced convert, as you pointed out elsewhere with Pharoah, conversions aren't accepted unless they're sincere.

Don't forget that teaching someone to read does not guarantee that they will only read what the school desires them to read. They could even use their new knowledge to read the Quran if they desired.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

So whos stopping them? Its their decision to choose

 

[abdmez]

as you pointed out elsewhere with Pharoah, conversions aren't accepted unless they're sincere.

that statement isn't completly compatiable with christian history though, do you agree?

 

[dougmusr]

that statement isn't completly compatiable with christian history though, do you agree?

I don't think it is. The Bible says in Romans 10:9 "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved". People who are forced to confess may pass the first test, but not the second one.

 

[north_malaysian]

more than Eleven thousand muslims converted to Islam

Muslims converted to Islam?:rollseyes

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^hehe. give em a break :X lol

 

[shible]

Though this might be a bit shocking information, this this also happens in India but not in huge numbers.

and on the other side in Us the number of people converted to Islam increases rapidly when compared to other western countries.

And one more info in Indonesia more than Eleven thousand muslims converted to Christianity and on the past year Tsunami disaster many people in Indonesia died and most of them were identified as Muslim.

All we can do is protect ourselves with Islam and try to help both our brothers and sisters Both Muslim and Non-muslim to know the facts, thoughts and way of Islam. Allah is the one makes the rest.

Beware Preeching is different from what i told. Waht we will be doing is we will be clearing their doubts and this way they will become more interested in our Religion and who knows under Allah's mercy they could aslo become a very better Muslim

Thanks brother for pointing out my mistake. i have rectified it this quote

here is the correct statement:

One more info in Indonesia more than Eleven thousand muslims converted to Christianity.


Note:-

Read my post fully ( my previous post) before Raising a Question about this statement

 

[Muslim Woman]

I seek refuge in Allah (The One God) from the Satan (devil) the cursed, the rejected

With the name of ALLAH (swt) -The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful


Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh (May the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah be upon you)

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In Africa:

In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity.

I found these numbers online, originally posted on "Al-Jazeera". What do you all make of them, these are very large numbers indeed.

http://www.aljazeera.net/Portal/aspx/FNF.aspx
(Arabic)

http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles6/AlJazeerahAfrica.php

Discuss...


(Warning: before any Muslim begins slandering Christian Missionaries, I would sugest they look up how many Muslims use food, and other resources to gain converts in Africa as well...)

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It's possible for ordinary Muslims to left Islam as they don't know much about their own religion & are brainwashed by the negative propaganda by the media. Media relate religion with crime when the alleged criminal is a Muslim but don't condemn Torah/Bible when criminal is a Jew/Chrisitian.


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Khadijah "Sue" Watson Former pastor, missionary, professor. Master's degree in Divinity

Ibrahim Khalil Philobus Former Egyptian Coptic priest and missionary

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[rav]

It's possible for ordinary Muslims to left Islam as they don't know much about their own religion & are brainwashed by the negative propaganda by the media.

Yes, in the deserts of Africa the negative media coverage of Muslims must be the cause of millions of conversions away from your religion. I mean since in Africa the media bias is so bad against Muslims, one can only imagine how many British Muslims are converting away because the even more bias coverage!

Or would you like to rethink your logic? :rollseyes

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

ill put another word in place of the media...but thats for ME to know and you all to figure out