After Saddam, Iraqi women are used as sex objects

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Sometimes i wonder why so many brothers turn to anger and hate...

seems no one wants to know or cares when it is ours who suffer...

perhaps there will be no peace till we realise our true situation...

that we are not in the same catergory within the eyes of evil doers...

When one bleeds they rise up in anger and are called heroes...

when one of us rises up in anger we are called a terrorist....

Sometimes i wonder why so many brothers turn to anger and hate... :?
 
Rou said:
Sometimes i wonder why so many brothers turn to anger and hate...

seems no one wants to know or cares when it is ours who suffer...

perhaps there will be no peace till we realise our true situation...

that we are not in the same catergory within the eyes of evil doers...


When one bleeds they rise up in anger and are called heroes...

when one of us rises up in anger we are called a terrorist....

Sometimes i wonder why so many brothers turn to anger and hate... :?
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i hope so brother
may allah save us. i think is bcoz they saw our weakness:rollseyes may allah guide us to the right way of dealing things.
:w: :sister:
 
It is expected because, think about it......They have full control, they wont get in trouble.....

They are a bit like the School bullies, who are the choldren of the headmaster of that school, they can do what they like, they wont get any sort of punishment.
 
the muslim ummah used to be brave!!
we were the bullies bt now we are being bullied!!
i think allah is testing us!!
"Do men think that they will be left alone on saying, "We believe", and that they will not be tested?
We did test those before them, and Allah will certainly know those who are true from those who are false". allah knows best
may allah guide us
salaam:)
 
Mashallah sister!!!!

Yes, and it is a test from Allah, verily there is ease after hardship!!!!
 
Rou said:
Sometimes i wonder why so many brothers turn to anger and hate...

seems no one wants to know or cares when it is ours who suffer...

perhaps there will be no peace till we realise our true situation...

that we are not in the same catergory within the eyes of evil doers...

When one bleeds they rise up in anger and are called heroes...

when one of us rises up in anger we are called a terrorist....

Sometimes i wonder why so many brothers turn to anger and hate... :?
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Maybe it's the strapping of bombs to yourself and blowing up innocent people:rollseyes
 
knuckles said:
Maybe it's the strapping of bombs to yourself and blowing up innocent people:rollseyes
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urm?

I beg your pardon.

Yourself?

you shouldn't generalise like that.

Cos i think it to be a wrong act (the fact that it will achieve nothing but a continual violence)
 
Re: May Allah Curse These People!

nimrod said:
The people doing these things should be shot.

Thanks
Nimrod
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I agree that those responsible for these tortures should be shot. Heck, why not. Anyone in their right mind (westerners included) would never condone this type of behavior.

However, from the messages posted on this topic (and others), I'm getting the impression that some people are blaming the US for exposing the Iraqi women to impure practices, for the first time. Let me begin by stating that my boyfriend is Iraqi and he along with other Iraqi men are working here in the US. They insist that it was NEVER a problem finding consensual sex from "good, pure" Iraqi women. They state that many of the Iraqi women are very sexual (like many western women), the only difference is that the Iraqi women conceal their sexuality, and would never admit to it. When I was first told this by my boyfriend, I thought he was teasing me. However, several of his Iraqi friends (and Americans they work with) make the same claim. This type of sexual Iraqi women is not new. They have known it to be true all of their adult lives (before the US had an influence in Iraq). Unfortunately, they have pictures to prove it.
 
thatz sooo wrong
i dont think them womens r following the deen of islam.
n ofcourse america is behind all this problems
salaam:)
 
:sl:

MAsya Allah,,
I'm so suprised and afraid read this article,,,
MAy ALLAH Subhana WAta'ala bless always upon iraqi people. ESpecially for the women.
And MAy ALLAH Subhana WAta'ala erase all wars and occupations in the world...
 
Thats just too low.
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Renak,
I do not know how much of the claim that it was easy to find sex objects in Saddam Era, however in every country the problem exists (dont know about Saudi Arabia though). Anyhow, the problem in hand is not that it exists but rather the rate at which it has risen with the invasion of Iraq. In Saddam Era, yes alot of attrocities occured, but not at the scale at which now US and UK have done. People then could actually regulate the society and implement whatever law was left. But with the Invasion, that little law is gone.

Just for Fact: After Gulfwar 2, The sanctions were placed on Iraq by Western Community - US and UK planes bombed the so called "WMD factories", and it turned out that they were nothing but manufacturing Medicine. The sanctions prevented Iraq to import Medical Supplies and the bombing assured that there was none produced - This resulted in the deaths of Millions of Innocent Childeren.


Anyhow: These people do deserve to be shot and yes not all westerners are like this.
 
itsme01 said:
Thats just too low.
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Renak,
I do not know how much of the claim that it was easy to find sex objects in Saddam Era, however in every country the problem exists (dont know about Saudi Arabia though). Anyhow, the problem in hand is not that it exists but rather the rate at which it has risen with the invasion of Iraq. In Saddam Era, yes alot of attrocities occured, but not at the scale at which now US and UK have done. People then could actually regulate the society and implement whatever law was left. But with the Invasion, that little law is gone.

Just for Fact: After Gulfwar 2, The sanctions were placed on Iraq by Western Community - US and UK planes bombed the so called "WMD factories", and it turned out that they were nothing but manufacturing Medicine. The sanctions prevented Iraq to import Medical Supplies and the bombing assured that there was none produced - This resulted in the deaths of Millions of Innocent Childeren.


Anyhow: These people do deserve to be shot and yes not all westerners are like this.
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I suppose the point I'm trying to make is that the "attitude, desire, etc...of consensual free sex" of the Iraqi's existed before there was US involvement. Now that it is more open in society, does not make it a result of Western influence.
 
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renak said:
I suppose the point I'm trying to make is that the "attitude, desire, etc...of consensual free sex" of the Iraqi's existed before there was US involvement. Now that it is more open in society, does not make it a result of Western influence.
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Yes, thats understandable - however the point what I am trying to make is that before invasion, there were people who would go about regulating and preventing this from spreading and being open, as well as before people had "fear".

There was Law and Order - but now, thats no more.
 
itsme01 said:
:sl: renak


Yes, thats understandable - however the point what I am trying to make is that before invasion, there were people who would go about regulating and preventing this from spreading and being open, as well as before people had "fear".

There was Law and Order - but now, thats no more.
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I don't find living in fear to be healthy. If the sexuality was hidden, it doesn't make it more acceptable. God knows what our actions and thoughts are. The fact that sexuality is becoming more open seems more honest to me.
 
Also, the fact that prostitution or "consensual" sex even though existed earlier - it does not enable the people to abduct women or women prisoners and use the women as "sex objects"
You being a women can perhaps understand this better: Is it ok if someone invades your privacy, looks upto you with wrong ideas, and/or rapes you - even though sex clubs are common thing in states.
(please do not be offended: if you are then i am sorry)

Also, I agree that everything must not be blamed on US and UK. Some Men are *put inappropriate word here*, they have no respect for women. Sadly, such people exist in every society.
 
renak said:
I don't find living in fear to be healthy. If the sexuality was hidden, it doesn't make it more acceptable. God knows what our actions and thoughts are. The fact that sexuality is becoming more open seems more honest to me.
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Somewhat agreed,

Islam is very open to this subject of Sexuality, however it also teaches us that respect is important. When a man/woman goes about having sex just for the pleasure - it has more negative effect on the community.

Its like this (example, this time i will use it on me :giggling: ): I go about having sex with women. And Another person (lets say you) have sex with one person and you love him (love does not mean sex). In the end, will I be more happier or You. I believe the answer is obvious.
 
itsme01 said:
Also, the fact that prostitution or "consensual" sex even though existed earlier - it does not enable the people to abduct women or women prisoners and use the women as "sex objects"
You being a women can perhaps understand this better: Is it ok if someone invades your privacy, looks upto you with wrong ideas, and/or rapes you - even though sex clubs are common thing in states.
(please do not be offended: if you are then i am sorry)

Also, I agree that everything must not be blamed on US and UK. Some Men are *put inappropriate word here*, they have no respect for women. Sadly, such people exist in every society.
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I definitely agree that the existence of consensual sex does not make the abduction of women appropriate. I'm just not convinced that there has actually been an increase in the ill treatment of women (in the sexual nature) since the US has been in Iraq. Being that Iraq now has more freedom, these individual cases are now being reported. I doubt that during the Ba'athis regime, they were officially reported.
 

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