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hola,

i've read a number of interesting threads recently, i am curious what members of the forum think being 'against terrorism' means... whether they say they personally are against it or islam is against it, what do they mean by this? i am confused because i see threads about hamas and the taliban which demonstrate either denial or support.

que Dios te bendiga
 
I suppose you intended the Muslim members to respond, but I can sum up my opposition to terrorism quite simply.

Any person or group that engages in the intentional murder of civilians as a political strategy are terrorists. This is the IRA, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, ETA, Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, etc.

This won't be popular, but it disturbs me greatly when I see Muslims call a person a "martyr" for doing nothing more than strapping on a bomb and blowing up some kids at a pizza parlor or shopping mall.

Granted, many of these people are brainwashed kids themselves...but it seems they aren't the only ones being brainwashed.
 
hola

i guess i can see this as something anybody could respond to... i used the examples regarding islamic terrorism because those were the ones i had most recently seen. i don't really see a difference between those peoples' divergent opinions and (for example) the bush administration starting a war against terrorism and then sitting idly by while the israeli military leveled highly populated lebanese cities.

when the united states declared war on terrorism i thought that it was a very noble and heroic thing to do. but i thought it would be something different... not an actual war in the sense of an armed conflict, but a focused and principled diplomatic or policy initiative... like the war on poverty. six years later, with torture allegations left and right and almost 1,000,000 dead from two wars i do not think i had the same idea of being 'against terrorism' as the rest of the country.

my opinion is that it is a subjective term... used by people who want to hurt other people and feel justified in doing so. whether it is muslims who support hamas or turn a blind eye to palestinian terrorist groups because of the terrorist attacks of israelis against palestinian civilians or visa versa.

my only other conclusion is that everybody must be a terrorist... there is a point where there is so much blood on everybody's hands that nobody holds a moral imperitive and it is time to find an answer other than weapons.

que Dios te bendiga
 
Jayda,
How about you. It seams you think the US is a terrorist country and the only function of our military is to carry on terrorists activity. If so, you will find many who support your idea's here.

Wilber
 
wilberhum said:
Jayda,
How about you. It seams you think the US is a terrorist country and the only function of our military is to carry on terrorists activity. If so, you will find many who support your idea's here.

Wilber
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seems like you hit it right on the nail! read the CIA history lately?
 
wilberhum said:
Jayda,
How about you. It seams you think the US is a terrorist country and the only function of our military is to carry on terrorists activity. If so, you will find many who support your idea's here.

Wilber
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hola

i don't think there are any terrorist countries... there are varying degrees of cruel and selfish governments, and i do not deny that the united states fits into that spectrum. to pretend that we are somehow justified to act as the world police, doing whatever is 'necessary' to defeat vague targets is wrong. i am not going to pretend otherwise just because it is america.

nobody will support my ideas here, or if they do it will be transient (you will cheer when i condemn hamas, they will cheer when i condemn israel and both of you will chastize me for my 'ignorance'). i do not believe in war, it is wrong in all cases and justified by nothing. unless there are some agnostics or quakers here i highly doubt anything i say will be popular.

que Dios te bendiga
 
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I would define being 'against terrorism' as being against armed attacks on civilians with the purpose to persuade the government to your point of view.
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Jayda,
i do not believe in war
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Is that like not believing in the Tooth fairy, or not believing the world is round?

War is real. It has been happening since there were two tribes and it will not stop till there is one tribe.

War is never a good thing but often a necessary thing.

There are reasons that you don’t speak German.
 
wilberhum said:
Jayda,

Is that like not believing in the Tooth fairy, or not believing the world is round?

War is real. It has been happening since there were two tribes and it will not stop till there is one tribe.

War is never a good thing but often a necessary thing.

There are reasons that you don’t speak German.
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i'm fluent
 
terrorism is causing terror. War is an act of terrorism.

Islam is a peaceful religion. I'm a muslim so naturally I'm against it. Mind you, even if I wasn't a muslim (Inshallah that will never happen) I wouldn't agree with it.
 
It sounds very reasoned and fluffy to simply say "all war is terrorism", but in reality we all know what terrorism is.
 
Terrorism is what you call what your enemy does when they hurt civillians. When your side does it it is called collateral damage or Shock and Awe.

These are the semantic games we play.