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I can say why i think the american/israelli government are terrorists. The kill, kill, kill innocent civilians, they torture the Muslims, they frame the Muslims, they speak lies upon lies, they look for any excuse to start bombing or shooting or start anotherwar. They try to use the media to bring the world on their side, to blind the world from the facts. There are Muslims who do this as well, and they too terrorists. Killing civilians is wrong. Islam does not teach us this. Mujaahideen who fight for their country, their beliefs, their family etc are true Mujaahideen. Where are they today? I think there are at least some left in Afghanistaan and chechnia, i'm not sure.
I hate bush and israel.

BAGHDAD - A suicide bomber detonated his explosives as American soldiers were handing out toys to children northeast of Baghdad on Sunday, killing at least three children and three of the troopers, U.S. and Iraqi authorities said
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:raging:Baah! they just do that for cover, an act.:raging:
 
Sabeeha said:
I can say why i think the american/israelli government are terrorists. The kill, kill, kill innocent civilians, they torture the Muslims, they frame the Muslims, they speak lies upon lies, they look for any excuse to start bombing or shooting or start anotherwar. They try to use the media to bring the world on their side, to blind the world from the facts. There are Muslims who do this as well, and they too terrorists. Killing civilians is wrong. Islam does not teach us this. Mujaahideen who fight for their country, their beliefs, their family etc are true Mujaahideen. Where are they today? I think there are at least some left in Afghanistaan and chechnia, i'm not sure.
I hate bush and israel.

:raging:Baah! they just do that for cover, an act.:raging:
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Maybe you are not sure, but I am.
They are there, but they are the minority.
 
wilberhum said:
Maybe you are not sure, but I am.
They are there, but they are the minority.
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I wasnt sure if Chechnia and Afghanistaan were the only places with true Mujaahideen. I know for a fact that there are still true Mujaahideen out there and will be till the end.
 
Sabeeha said:
....The kill, kill, kill innocent civilians, they torture the Muslims, they frame the Muslims, they speak lies upon lies, they look for any excuse to start bombing or shooting or start anotherwar. They try to use the media to bring the world on their side, to blind the world from the facts........... :
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Wow. Somebody needs some serious couch time (in a psychoanalytic sense, I mean). I would suggest you stop looking to the West to explain every problem you encounter.

The US hasn't been in a serious shooting war since GWI and that lasted only a short time...and before that, 1973. That hardly seems like a state of continuous warfare, does it?

OBL formally declared war on the US in 1999 I think it was. We ignored him. That didn't work out so well.
 
Sabeeha said:
I wasnt sure if Chechnia and Afghanistaan were the only places with true Mujaahideen. I know for a fact that there are still true Mujaahideen out there and will be till the end.
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Of course there are. As I said.

They are there, but they are the minority.
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Surely you don't think all Muslim fighters are true Mujaahideen?

At least when I think of "true Mujaahideen", I don't think of terrorists who shoot kids in the back as they run out of a school. I don't think of the fine folks that get people to blow themselves up in a market are "true Mujaahideen" either.
 
noorahmad said:
i would just like to ask keltoi, what does he understand by terrorism??
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As I stated before, terrorism is the intentional murder of non-combatants as part of a military or political strategy. When a man or woman straps on a bomb and walks into a pizza parlor or shopping mall and blows up people as an act of "resistance", that is terrorism.

When a fighter pilot drops a bomb on a target and unintentionally kills civilians, that is not terrorism. Does that mean it is okay? Of course not. From personal experience with fighter pilots who have gone through this, it is the last thing in the world you want to hear when you get back to base. Those civilians are still dead, and no amount of justification can fix that. This is where intent becomes the primary issue. There is no question what the intention of the 9-11 hijackers were, or any question about the suicide bombers who litter the streets with dead women and children.
 
I'm against terrorism. I define terrorism as the intentional endangerment or killing of civilians in the furtherance of political aims.

This includes the more 'traditional' understanding of terrorists. Your Al-Qaedas and your IRAs. This also includes certain state actions. It's just that countries who commit such acts are allowed to use hindsight. Private individuals, or groups of them, aren't. This sucks either way. The civilians killed by both, and their families, don't really give a toss in whose name the destruction was wrought - the dead have lost their lives, and the living have lost the dead.

Down with terrorism and oppression! Up with... cake!
 
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There's a great difference between ETA or IRA and Al Quaida.
The first two have been killing political figures whereas bin Laden and his followers have been slaughtering innocent civilians.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
There's a great difference between ETA or IRA and Al Quaida.
The first two have been killing political figures whereas bin Laden and his followers have been slaughtering innocent civilians.
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ETA is a local terrorist group who have kill few people. They just want a separate country.

IRA is/was a terrorist group that operated locally and in England. There soul mission was an Ireland free of British rule.

Al Quaida will kill anyone in any place in the world. There objective is to kill anyone who does not support there ideals.
 
wilberhum said:
ETA is a local terrorist group who have kill few people. They just want a separate country.

IRA is/was a terrorist group that operated locally and in England. There soul mission was an Ireland free of British rule.

Al Quaida will kill anyone in any place in the world. There objective is to kill anyone who does not support there ideals.
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Yeah, that too..
 
Whatsthepoint said:
There's a great difference between ETA or IRA and Al Quaida.
The first two have been killing political figures whereas bin Laden and his followers have been slaughtering innocent civilians.
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You dont know much about the IRA, do you?

Do some research on them and find out what they have actually done
 
Chechnya said:
You dont know much about the IRA, do you?

Do some research on them and find out what they have actually done
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True, IRA did kill civilians, however they were not their main targets. And guess what - they apologized for every civilian casualty they caused!
They certainly never took schoolchildren for hostages..
 
Whatsthepoint said:
True, IRA did kill civilians, however they were not their main targets. And guess what - they apologized for every civilian casualty they caused!
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well im sure leaving car bombs in crowded civlian areas was just a mistake then - since civlians werent their main targets :muddlehea

They certainly never took schoolchildren for hostages
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nor have they ever defeated an ex-superpower, so the list of what the IRA havent done would be quite long :rolleyes:

oh and they apologised for the school seige so its ok!
 
Chechnya said:
well im sure leaving car bombs in crowded civlian areas was just a mistake then - since civlians werent their main targets :muddlehea
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Percentually speaking they weren't.
To be honest I didn't know IRA killed so many civilians.

nor have they ever defeated an ex-superpower, so the list of what the IRA havent done would be quite long :rolleyes:

oh and they apologised for the school seige so its ok!
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You're still a aprt of Russsia and a part of Ireland is still british...so you're pretty much on the same level.
Well, in my opinion your cause is much more legitimate than the of IRA. It's just that your means are totally unacceptable.

Did they?
 
" I suppose you intended the Muslim members to respond, but I can sum up my opposition to terrorism quite simply.

Any person or group that engages in the intentional murder of civilians as a political strategy are terrorists. This is the IRA, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, ETA, Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, etc. "

wrong explanation what would you know about terrorism your president is the biggest terrorist in the world second to the zoinist jews ion palestine.
I support the mujahideen not terrorists like Bush Mujahideen like Hamas and At-Taliban.Big difference. Maybe you guys should learn terrorism from the right siurces then come back and debate.there is no point.
 
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al-muslimah said:
" I suppose you intended the Muslim members to respond, but I can sum up my opposition to terrorism quite simply.

Any person or group that engages in the intentional murder of civilians as a political strategy are terrorists. This is the IRA, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, ETA, Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, etc. "

wrong explanation what would you know about terrorism your president is the biggest terrorist in the world second to the zoinist jews ion palestine.
I support the mujahideen not terrorists like Bush Mujahideen like Hamas and At-Taliban.Big difference. Maybe you guys should learn terrorism from the right siurces then come back and debate.there is no point.
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Sorry, but the whole "killing civilians is fine as long as those who kill them are Muslim" isn't going to fly with me. You can call Bush a terrorist if you want, doesn't bother me. However, what does bother me is hypocrisy. If you believe Bush and the "zionist Jews" are terrorists, then hold your "mujahideen" to the same standard.
 
"Sorry, but the whole "killing civilians is fine as long as those who kill them are Muslim" isn't going to fly with me. You can call Bush a terrorist if you want, doesn't bother me. However, what does bother me is hypocrisy. If you believe Bush and the "zionist Jews" are terrorists, then hold your "mujahideen" to the same standard."--keltoi


Well its not my fault people these days believe the media it just shows how weak-minded you are.Mujahideen never kill civilians unless an accident like it was dark and they couldn't see who they are fighting.Media infected people these days.sigh.
 
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al-muslimah said:
"Sorry, but the whole "killing civilians is fine as long as those who kill them are Muslim" isn't going to fly with me. You can call Bush a terrorist if you want, doesn't bother me. However, what does bother me is hypocrisy. If you believe Bush and the "zionist Jews" are terrorists, then hold your "mujahideen" to the same standard."--keltoi


Well its not my fault people these days believe the media it just shows how weak-minded you are.Mujahideen never kill civilians unless an accident like it was dark and they couldn't see who they are fighting.Media infected people these days.sigh.
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Okay...I suppose ignorance really is bliss. No offense, but you really need to take the blinders off.
 
By keltoi--"Okay...I suppose ignorance really is bliss. No offense, but you really need to take the blinders off."

No offense but you need a slap to wake you up!!!!!!!!!!!! May I?
Wqal 'aqibatu lil mutaqeen.
 

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