Agent Provocateurs on Muslim forums a Reality!

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Gone are the days when it was the leaders that lead the nation in war. Now, the army goes one way and the leaders hide in their bunkers!

Let's lead the armies in the opposite direction in a mass scavenger hunt to find the leaders!

...Or not. The last two times that happened that I can remember, they were brutally killed without a proper trial. Maybe I should have gone with my first career choice and been a farming hermit out in the middle of nowhere away from all potential gunshots and bomb blasts.
 
Extremist fascist groups such as the BNP EDL and individuals like Anjem Choudry & Tommy Robinson etc.. are funded and secretly encouraged by governments to keep spreading their hate unaccountably and thus keeping people divided and to scare muslims into staying silent and submissive. Atrocities such as the beheading of a soldier are created to keep non muslim hatred against muslims alive and burning.


Have you got any evidence of this, or is it all just hearsay and conspiracy theory? Whenever a muslim commits a crime, a lot of people on this forum immediately call false-flag / setup; is it impossible to believe that a muslim could commit a crime? The guy who killed the solider is on trial now, what he says is public record so you can easily hear his own reasons for his actions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25301907

The west has done plenty wrong throughout history - unfortunately so has every other powerful country / empire that has ever existed. To blame all the world's woes on the west is lazy and simply not true.

I recognise that saying this will lead many on here to say I am blind to the truth / brain washed by mass-media / just an idiot, but just stating conspiracy theories as fact with no proof is not going to "open" anyone's eyes to anything other than the paranoia of certain individuals.
 
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Prayer4Life. One or two changes and I think you have it:

'So... along comes the favorite bogey men… the good old USA and terms such as ‘genocide’, ‘new world order' and 'black flag ops’ etc… to brainwash the masses into such paranoia and fear so as to think that there is a real and imminent and ongoing threat/danger to Islamic civilisation which needs to be defeated asap and continually.. or else all is lost.'
 
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Brits, Spaniards, Portuguese, Romans, Italians, French, Vikings, Aztecs, Mongols, Assyrians, goodness-knows-how-many-others throughout history... A very annoying and recurring part of human nature. Several thousand years ago, it at least made sense. Kill or be killed, food was scarce. But now... I should like to think we live in a possibly enlightened age where we have enough sense to settle things maturely and honestly, and trade items for what we each want. And then I turn on the news to see a caveman and his club off to steal some treasure.

Maybe if we keep trying to encourage people to get along, they may do it someday. Let all us normal people go to work, enjoy our dinners with family, and just enjoy life. Until then, I am going to wish for a giant arena to lock all the warmongers into so they can settle their differences face-to-face without getting so many innocent civilians killed. I really think politicians would be less trigger-happy if it was their own lives at stake instead of nameless, faceless cannon fodder.

The west obviously hasn't matured despite claiming to be civilised nations, and continues to kill and demonise others to maintain and sustain their power and standards of living in the world, all at the expense of most of the world's populations blood and at the same time is continuously demonising specific groups to justify their evil. Also we are referring to modern times here, and there is no doubt that western nations who are non islamic are the biggest contributors of terrorism and bloodshed in the world.
 
Have you got any evidence of this, or is it all just hearsay and conspiracy theory? Whenever a muslim commits a crime, a lot of people on this forum immediately call false-flag / setup; is it impossible to believe that a muslim could commit a crime? The guy who killed the solider is on trial now, what he says is public record so you can easily hear his own reasons for his actions.



The west has done plenty wrong throughout history - unfortunately so has every other powerful country / empire that has ever existed. To blame all the world's woes on the west is lazy and simply not true.

I recognise that saying this will lead many on here to say I am blind to the truth / brain washed by mass-media / just an idiot, but just stating conspiracy theories as fact with no proof is not going to "open" anyone's eyes to anything other than the paranoia of certain individuals.

You're a perfect example of those who try and discredit alternative views over the internet and no doubt in public. The problem with the west is that it continues to do evil in order to stay on top and at any cost, and that man who killed the soldier, it is well known that he was a product of harassment and brainwashing by western security services and also witnessed atrocities abroad committed by the west. You're entitled to believe what you want, but you can't cover up the truth. What you call conspiracies and hearsay is a well known fact amongst many muslims and non muslims alike, some of whom are also in government jobs. And the BBC isn't even a reliable source and is well known for its anti islamic views and biased reporting.
 
it is well known that he was a product of harassment and brainwashing by western security services and also witnessed atrocities abroad committed by the west.

Michael Adeobolajo is articulate as well as brutal. He has been kind enough to tell us all about why he killed Lee Rigby, both in his own snuff video and subsequently in court.

His reasons - his views - are an exact match with your own views as posted above.

So you're saying they brainwashed him to see through their own media brainwashing.

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me...
 
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You're a perfect example of those who try and discredit alternative views over the internet and no doubt in public. The problem with the west is that it continues to do evil in order to stay on top and at any cost, and that man who killed the soldier, it is well known that he was a product of harassment and brainwashing by western security services and also witnessed atrocities abroad committed by the west. You're entitled to believe what you want, but you can't cover up the truth. What you call conspiracies and hearsay is a well known fact amongst many muslims and non muslims alike, some of whom are also in government jobs. And the BBC isn't even a reliable source and is well known for its anti islamic views and biased reporting.


I'm willing to believe almost anything about any government, but I'd quite like to see some proof. If it is such a well known fact - where is the proof?

A lot of muslims I've met "know" that the moon landing never happened (I have no idea why) - that doesn't make it true.

Also, do you have any examples of BBC anti-muslim bias? It seems to me to be one of the fairer broadcasters (for example, they publish a lot of positive stories about muslims and islam). Which news source would you recommend?
 
Michael Adeobolajo is articulate as well as brutal. He has been kind enough to tell us all about why he killed Lee Rigby, both in his own snuff video and subsequently in court.

His reasons - his views - are an exact match with your own views as posted above.

So you're saying they brainwashed him to see through their own media brainwashing.

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me...

The media like i mentioned before is using this crime to spread more islamophobia and pro military support amongst the nation. Youre twisting my words, but then youre here for only that reason like some others. If it were not for his friends and others coming forward and revealing this man's harassment by british and other western intelligence agencies then the media would have come up with more lies to breed even more hatred against muslims.
 
I'm willing to believe almost anything about any government, but I'd quite like to see some proof. If it is such a well known fact - where is the proof?

A lot of muslims I've met "know" that the moon landing never happened (I have no idea why) - that doesn't make it true.

Also, do you have any examples of BBC anti-muslim bias? It seems to me to be one of the fairer broadcasters (for example, they publish a lot of positive stories about muslims and islam). Which news source would you recommend?


There's plenty of examples of BBC bias and islamophobia, you just need to be open minded enough to see it. You ask for proof, its everywhere, yet you're still hell bent on accepting only biased western sources and media reporting. I'm not here to educate you, that's the job of each and every human being on this earth to do for themselves. The truth is you are not here to learn but to spread lies, disinformation and mock the credibility of opposing views and sources. Good luck, but you're trying to win a losing game because even your own people are waking up to the lies that they are being fed daily, both civilian and military.
 
The media like i mentioned before is using this crime to spread more islamophobia
But this man wasn't suffering from Islamaphobia. He was suffering from western phobia - like yourself. So in what way was he brainwashed?

pro military support amongst the natio
But UK defence spending has been falling for decades since WW2 and is continuing to fall today. So why is the opposite happening from what you say? Not much of a cunning plan, was it?

If it were not for his friends and others coming forward and revealing this man's harassment by british and other western intelligence agencies
This is wholly unproven and the man himself doesn't blame anyone for the views he holds - which after all are the same as yours!

Youre twisting my words, but then youre here for only that reason like some others
You have filled your head with propaganda. Snap out of it and stop accusing countless people you've never met of the worst possible crimes.
 
The west obviously hasn't matured despite claiming to be civilised nations, and continues to kill and demonise others to maintain and sustain their power and standards of living in the world, all at the expense of most of the world's populations blood and at the same time is continuously demonising specific groups to justify their evil. Also we are referring to modern times here, and there is no doubt that western nations who are non islamic are the biggest contributors of terrorism and bloodshed in the world.

Mmm, I wouldn't say it's strictly a western thing. Any unified group is prone to an embarrassing bout of violence. India and China got into a good squabble fifty years ago, and they are home to possibly the two most peaceful religions I can think of, and I'm sure China didn't originally develop their hand-to-hand combat to the extent they have if they hadn't intended to use it for more than defense. If it's any comfort, the vast majority of those in the USA want our troops home (the last poll I heard of had us around 60%-75% wanting the troops out of the middle east), and many are quite sick of our politicians pretending to be the world police by instead acting like a schoolyard bully. We could use a good Musa to bop the president on the head with a stick and say "Let my people go home, by golly. Stop this nonsense!". (I'm aware he never struck the Pharoah with his staff.)
 
Salaam

Contrary to what is being suggested here, I think that the word 'terrorism' is a useful word, is easily and accurately understood by most people without explanation, and (if it did not exist) would leave a gap that another word would have to fill:

Shallow and uninteresting as ever Independent. To get past the fluff and to sum up, only the ‘bad’ guys do terrorism, not the ’good’ guys. By definition the ‘good guys’ can commit no such act.

For a more penetrating insight into uses and abuses of the terms ‘terror’ and ‘Terrorism’.

'The Washington Connection and Third World Fascism' By Edward Herman and Noam Chomsky (1979)

The Semantics of Terror

Among the many symbols used to frighten and manipulate the populace of the democratic states, few have been more important than 'terror' and terrorism'. These terms have generally been confined to the use of violence by individuals and marginalised groups. Official violence, which is far more extensive in both scale and destructiveness, is placed in a different category altogether. This usage has nothing to do with justice, causal sequence, or numbers abused. Whatever the actual sequence of cause and effect, official violence is described as responsive or provoked ('retaliation,' 'protective reaction,' etc.), not as the active and initiating source of abuse. Similarly, the massive long-term violence inherent in the oppressive social structures that US power has supported or imposed is typically disregarded. The numbers tormented and killed by official violence - wholesale as opposed to retail terror - during recent decades have exceeded those of unofficial terrorists by a factor running into the thousands. But this is not 'terror,' although one terminological exception may be noted: while Argentinian 'security forces' only retaliate and engage in 'police action,' violence carried out by unfriendly states (Cuba, Cambodia) may be designated 'terroristic'. The question of proper usage is settled not merely by the official or unofficial status of the perpetrators of violence but also by their political affiliations.

These terminological devices serve important important functions. They help to justify the far more extensive violence of (friendly) state authorities by interpreting them as 'reactive,' and they implicitly sanction the suppression of information on the methods and scale of official violence by removing it from the category of 'terrorism'. Thus in Latin America, 'Left-wing terrorism is quiescent after a decade and a half of turmoil,' the New York Times explains in a summary article on the state of terrorism; it does not discuss any other kind of violence in Latin America - CIA, Argentinian and Brazilian death squads, DINA etc. Their actions are excluded by definition, nothing is said about the nature and causes of the 'turmoil' Thus the language is well-designed for apologetics for wholesale terror.

This language is also useful in its connotation of irrational evil, which can be exterminated with no questions asked. The criminally insane have no just grievances that we need to trouble to comprehend. On the current scene, for example, the New York Times refers to the 'cold blooded and mysterious' Carlos; the South African government, on the other hand, whose single raid on the Nambian refugee camp of Kassinga on May 4, 1978 wiped out a far larger total (more than 600) than the combined victims of Carlos, the Baader-Meinhof gang, and the Italian Red Brigades, is not referred to in such invidious terms. Retail terror is 'the crime of our times' in the current picture of reality conveyed by the media; and friendly governments are portrayed as the reassuring protectors of the public, striving courageously to cope with 'terror'.

The Limited concept of 'terror' also serves as a lightning rod to distract attention from substantive issues, and helps to create a sensibility and frame of mind that allows greater freedom of action by the state. During the Vietnam War, students were the terrorists, and the government and mass media devoted great attention (and much outrage) to their frightful depredations (one person killed, many windows broken). The device was used effectively to discredit the antiwar movement as violence prone and destructive - the motive, of course, for the infiltration of the movement by government provocateurs - and it helped to divert attention from the official violence that was far more extensive even on the home front, not to speak of Vietnam, The Dominican Republic, and elsewhere. The ploy was amazingly successful in light of the facts, now documented beyond serious question, even though it did not succeed in destroying the anti-war movement. The terrorism of the Vietnamese enemy was also used effectively in mobilising public opinion, again a tremendous testimonial to the power of brainwashing under freedom, given the real facts of the matter.

There is a purpose about talking about this. Of course it won’t stop the West (in particular the USA) bringing misery and death to the world in the name of freedom and democracy but by undermining the propaganda and their propagandists ability to mobilise the population, which actually contributes to world peace. It also helps us understand the reasons why western powers do what they do.


Also, do you have any examples of BBC anti-muslim bias? It seems to me to be one of the fairer broadcasters (for example, they publish a lot of positive stories about muslims and islam). Which news source would you recommend?
The Misrepresentation of Muslims is nothing new in Western Media, goes back decades.

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For a more British focused.

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BBC is more milder but still feeds of this culture. In fact over recent years as it has become more explicit in promoting its secular liberal ideology its become more hostile to aspects of Islam it disapproves of. Its not just Islam plenty of other faiths get the same treatment.
 
Shallow and uninteresting as ever Independent. To get past the fluff and to sum up, only the ‘bad’ guys do terrorism, not the ’good’ guys. By definition the ‘good guys’ can commit no such act.

For a more penetrating insight into uses and abuses of the terms ‘terror’ and ‘Terrorism’.


good and bad are not so easy to define.

nobody wants to lose.

which is funny because "god"


so remember how you act if you ever win...

and maybe figure out how you would treat the enemy if you had the upper hand.



seriously, its an insane situation... but its a losers perspective.

anyway post unrelated.
 
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Independent ----, you contradict yourself in almost every single post you make, just bending ur side to justify killing our brothers and sisters, how do you live with yourself knowing you're supporting the murders of millions of innocent men, women and children who just want to live their lives without amrrikkka and Britain trying to "civilize" (domesticate) them via puppets in their own countries.
I moved away from the uk to get away from the kufr and your humbrrside merseyside police have been trainingbanladesh death squads in "counter terror" and "interrogation" tactics.
Google British police train r.a.b wikileaks. No wonder they fear people like assange and Snowden.
The fruits we see of this coutertfrrorsm is tanks on thr streets, activists having their homes broken into and dragged to their roof, shot in cold blood and thrown off the roof onto the concrete floor, then dragged to the van and thrown on the morgue doorsteps - by r.a.b,

I have heard so much about him and his family, a truly noble and ideal family both professionally and Islamically. He was 58 years old. A successful medical doctor and a widely respected figure in the district. Whole life dedicated to the Islamic movement. Proprietor of a successful and popular clinic and many other businesses. He was involved with numerous professional activities and social welfare charities. Was widely popular for his friendliness, hospitality, jovial manner and kindness. With a happy and respected family of well educated children. His wife is a senior leader of Jamat Islami and one of the founding members of the Chatri Sangstha.In an act of unprecedented barbarism, the RAB has killed a senior district leader of Jamat Islami in Laximpur last night. In the town of Laximpur near Temuhoni area, miscreants have shot dead the district vice president of Jamaat Islami named Dr Fayez Ahmed, in his own house. According to his family, a group of people dressed as RAB soldiers killed him after arresting him. This happened on Friday night. Dr Fayez’s wife Mrs Marzia Fayez has said that at about 12 midnight a group of RAB soldiers smashed the gate of the building and entered the house. They searched all the rooms. At one point they arrested my husband and started beating him, dragged him to the roof, where they shot him on his leg and then thrown him from the rooftop down to the ground.

The district secretary of Jamat Islami in a statement has demanded for a judicial enquiry about the circumstance of this brutal murder and as to whether the miscreants were really from the RAB. The party has called for a district wide strike to protest the killing. The medical officer at the city hospital has said that at about 1:40 am in the night some unidentified people left a dead body at the hospital morgue. The body showed signs of serious injuries in the head and in the legs. The body had been kept at the morgue for post mortem. After that, a funeral prayer was held at the local mosque and he was buried nearby.

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Go on YouTube and google r.a.b murders first though, then you'll probably(or not) find I easier to kick the chair.


http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12057400

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PayO-w6jP0g&desktop_uri=/watch?v=PayO-w6jP0g
 
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Rambo Burma and Rambo Afghanistan should paint a clear picture of what's actually happening.
Ironically the latter was dedicated to the afghan mujahideen.

They try to make Muslims and non Muslims shy away from the term jihad now when all it means is "struggle"
But of course a rapist won't like the idea of a victim struggling.
 
Google British police train r.a.b wikileaks
You give 2 links. The audio isn't working on the youtube link. As for the BBC article...why is that people like yourself who bang on about media are so incapable of reading it properly? You need to look past the dramatic headline which is designed to get you in. You need to look at the inverted commas around 'death squad' and realise this means the phrase is being used conditionally. When we come to the wikileaks cable itself, this is what we find: "The US and UK representatives reviewed our ongoing training to make the RAB a more transparent, accountable and human-rights compliant paramilitary force." So....they are training them to follow the Geneva convention. It's not exactly a shock-horror revelation.

Remember, this is a secret cable. This is where we're supposed to find all the bad stuff. Is that the best you can do? Pathetic.

As for wikileaks in general - the most interesting thing is not what they do say, but what they don't. It is truly stunning how little they reveal that's very important. The most embarrassing stuff is not about enemy states, but spying on their friends. Personally I assume that everyone spies on everyone, but getting caught is not so great.

However, what's missing from wikileaks is massively revealing. The great anti Muslim conspiracy isn't there. Nor is the great Zionist conspiracy. Or the great anyone conspiracy. They even spied on the Israeli prime minister, who is one of the guys supposed to be controlling them! Everything about these cables contradicts the grand conspiracy theories. If you believe in wikileaks, you should abandon the anti Muslim conspiracy theory. If you don't, then why bother quoting them? All you do is look around for echoes of your prejudice.

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OF and I forget about one thing:

Some people use to think that Michael Adebolajo was a product of Western services created to justify Islamophobia. So how do you know who is a Western puppet and who is not? How do you know if Bin Laden wasn't actually a deep cover CIA agent? Or Syrian rebels? Or Hamas?
 
You give 2 links. The audio isn't working on the youtube link. As for the BBC article...why is that people like yourself who bang on about media are so incapable of reading it properly? You need to look past the dramatic headline which is designed to get you in. You need to look at the inverted commas around 'death squad' and realise this means the phrase is being used conditionally.

you further prove that you're a shill/troll, i posted the bbc article for the info contained therein and the fact that they admitted to having been training them,
i didn't pay heed to the construction the government or the bbc put on it - i've seen their lies before - which is why i mentioned the fruits of their sick tree.
by their actions and their fruits you shall know them.
Islam doesn't contain a billion secret documents, it's on the net!!!

that in itself is evidence of who's deceiving and has everything to hide.

i am a witness to what is happening and now at a pc so will post links.
not for your information (since your intentions are quite apparent) but for the information of readers you attempt to deceive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVVPhcw8Ee8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyHn4dbGkCg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PayO-w6jP0g

 

since they've been training them and admitted to having done so only after it was exposed, and we have only seen crimes and injustice on their part, while the british police have done nothing to prevent them from these actions, yet support their government. isn't it quite obvious what they trained them in torture and crimes? most people in bangladesh (who don't watch btv) know that r.a.b is a terrorist force dressed and armed to strike terror into the hearts of the population - and not as a humanitarian force.

there is also adequate proof that the cia trained the egyptian army in torture tactics and human rights abuses too, same in iraq and afghanistan and somalia and yemen and bush's friend karimov is no hidden case..



the fact that hasina's government was hammered in the elections after the massacre and is still trying to hold a "democratic" "election" with the main opposition parties leaders dead or in prison and out of the equation is also proof of the fact that the u.s government and british governments are supporters of global terrorism.
 
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