Aggressors of Islam

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Muezzin:

But Islam WAS spread by the sword. The process was the following: The army of the invaded kingdom was defeated by the Muslim army. The territory was incorporated to the Caliphate. All the political and social structures of the invaded kingdom were replaced by those of the Caliphate. People were encouraged to adopt Islam but they were allowed to keep their own religion but only in the status of dhimmis, that is, forced to pay a "humilliation tax" to the Muslims, deprived of the right to proselytise, forbidden to build new churches, etc. After two or three generations of living in such a sad status many got tired and converted to Islam in order to escape all the discrimination. The more Muslims in the place the more pressure on the few remaining non-Muslims, so the process of conversion was accelerated. This is how it all happened. That is why there are so many Muslims in the world. They are the descendants of conquered, oppressed and humilliated people.

If you think I am making this up visit any website related to dhimmis or dhimmitude. What Bat Yeor has written is a very good introduction to the subject. Or visit any site where the Egyptian Copts tell their side of the story.

So you see, swords (successful swords) were the ultimate reason for the expansion of Islam.
 
I tire of the Islamic moaning of cristian crusades. The simple fact of the matter is in the face of the very first battle between Muslims & christians who were the aggressors, and why do you beet on about how cruel christians were, Muslims attacked the bloody (I mean that literally) medieval europe who in return did what they did best. Spilt blood, it's history and it's in the past. Perhaps your inability to "move on" stumps your progress in the world in the same way that you call the west corrupt yet compare it with this:

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781359.html
 
Turin Turambar said:
Muezzin:

But Islam WAS spread by the sword. The process was the following: The army of the invaded kingdom was defeated by the Muslim army. The territory was incorporated to the Caliphate. All the political and social structures of the invaded kingdom were replaced by those of the Caliphate. People were encouraged to adopt Islam but they were allowed to keep their own religion but only in the status of dhimmis, that is, forced to pay a "humilliation tax" to the Muslims, deprived of the right to proselytise, forbidden to build new churches, etc. After two or three generations of living in such a sad status many got tired and converted to Islam in order to escape all the discrimination. The more Muslims in the place the more pressure on the few remaining non-Muslims, so the process of conversion was accelerated. This is how it all happened. That is why there are so many Muslims in the world. They are the descendants of conquered, oppressed and humilliated people.

If you think I am making this up visit any website related to dhimmis or dhimmitude. What Bat Yeor has written is a very good introduction to the subject. Or visit any site where the Egyptian Copts tell their side of the story.

So you see, swords (successful swords) were the ultimate reason for the expansion of Islam.
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That's ridiculous bro, i've heard some real bad allegations but that is pathetic!

Look at India, Islamic state ruled for over 1000 years but indians there weren't pressured to convert, nor in places like Spain. what about in saudi where there reside over 14 million christians? Surely they'd have also followed suit
What about today, people are converting left right and centre, 25 000 a year in Britain, 100 000 a year in America Go to http://www.islamawareness.net/Fastest/
Logic will tell you if so many people are converting here, freely, without any "sword", then surely the same could have happened before. The truth comes to all
 
To Moss:

The fact that you mention India of all places makes it even easier for me. Why don't you ask anybody from India, who follows the Hindu religion, what is his view of the Islamic conquests? What is today Pakistan was also Hindu from the religious point of view until the Muslim armies arrived. Why don't you type in Google "Pakistan" and "Hindus" and see what kind of pressure is TODAY applied on them? What is going on in Pakistan today is exactly what happened in all of India in the past. But then it was ten times worse.

You are trying to argue that there is no violence involved in Islam. Can you leave Islam voluntarily? What would happen to you? What would happen to you if you were living in Pakistan and you decided to leave Islam and said so publicly?

I will believe that there is no violence involved in Islam when I see people leaving Islam with no danger to their lives and no harassement. When everybody who leaves Islam has to hide behind a pseudonym, as Ibn Warraq and Ali Sina or has too live under police protection as Ayan Hirsi Ali I cannot begin to believe that violence is alien to Islam.

If you don't recognize those names, type them in Google. It is important.
 

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