Agreed or Disagreed?

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mirage41 said:
The Silver Bullet of Atheism :
Can Allah create a rock that he cannot lift?
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should I answer this? even though the question is directed towards muslim.. it is still a question that also involves God... ( hope that came out right )
 
Ansar Al-‘Adl, perhaps this will help.

God can not act deceitfully.
God can deceive, with the exception of what is underlined. If you feel otherwise, I would be interested in knowing what the basis is.

Deceitfully:
de•ceit•ful
adj.
Given to cheating or deceiving.
Deliberately misleading; deceptive. See Synonyms at dishonest

Dishonest:
dis•hon•est
adj.
Disposed to lie, cheat, defraud, or deceive.
Resulting from or marked by a lack of honesty.

Deceive
de•ceive
v. de•ceived, de•ceiv•ing, de•ceives
v. tr.
To cause to believe what is not true; mislead.
Archaic. To catch by guile; ensnare.

v. intr.
To practice deceit.
To give a false impression: appearances can deceive.

Deceit
de•ceit
n.
1. The act or practice of deceiving; deception.
2. A stratagem; a trick.
3. The quality of being deceitful; falseness.

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Nimrod
 
Hi Nimrod,
nimrod said:
Ansar Al-‘Adl, perhaps this will help.

God can not act deceitfully.
God can deceive, with the exception of what is underlined. If you feel otherwise, I would be interested in knowing what the basis is.
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I agree that God cannot lie or decieve, not because of any lack in His potential, but because it is not in concordance with His nature. Likewise, I believe that the eternal/immortal cannot die, the uncreated cannot be created, and so on. What I am interested to know is why you make an exception for God in the case of acting deceitfully but not in the case of becoming a man. Do you believe that God can become a man?
 
this is a little silly.

"can god create a rock that he cannot lift"

look at that sentence! It defies all logic, of course Allah can defy logic so lets make the answer SIMPLE!

god can indeed make a rock he cannot lift, but he can turn that same rock into sumthing he can lift!


^ illogical answer right? THE WHOLE THREAD IS ILLOGICAL ;D
 
Ansar Al-‘Adl, “Can God create an uncreated being? Yes, or no?”

Was the man Jesus created?
Was the soul that inhabited the body of Jesus created?

John 8:58
58"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

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Nimrod
 
Mirage, then for you the answer is, Yes.

Based on what you based your answer on, how did Jesus walk on the water?

Thanks
Nimrod
 
nimrod said:
Ansar Al-‘Adl, “Can God create an uncreated being? Yes, or no?”

Was the man Jesus created?
Was the soul that inhabited the body of Jesus created?

John 8:58
58"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

Thanks
Nimrod
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can you please offer a sentence which makes sence, yes or no!

We dont hav the knowledge to understand or comprehend our God. He is all-mighty all knowing!

as i said before, he only duz that which befits his majesty for everything known to him is certainly not known to us!
 
Abd'Majid said:
this is a little silly.

"can god create a rock that he cannot lift"

look at that sentence! It defies all logic, of course Allah can defy logic so lets make the answer SIMPLE!

god can indeed make a rock he cannot lift, but he can turn that same rock into sumthing he can lift!


^ illogical answer right? THE WHOLE THREAD IS ILLOGICAL ;D
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That's precisely the point!! Atheist KNOW that the question is illogical! Thats why it precisely disproves God's existence because such a question is logically untenable! But God on the other hand is supposed to be able to do such a thing.

Believe it or not, you just became an atheist.
 
mirage41 said:
I read that post and it actually didnt even come close. Why do muslims post up such rubbish and low quality stuff and then say "okay, i disproved you, done"? That post didn't even begin to answer the question.
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hmm,

muslims seem to be portrayed as blind followers these days. why do we believe in Allah even tho we still cant answer such a simple question. Well we can answer it but we cant giv an answer to satisfy those who disbelieve in Allah. Why u ask? Its simple, u hav made up ur mind on disbelieving, how can we say nethin 2 bring faith to such people?



*Allah does that which befits his majesty and everything he knows we surely do not*

:peace:
 
Ansar-Al’-Adl, was the pharaoh deceived into wasting his army in the sea of reeds?

Thanks
Nimrod
 
mirage41 said:
That's precisely the point!! Atheist KNOW that the question is illogical! Thats why it precisely disproves God's existence because such a question is logically untenable! But God on the other hand is supposed to be able to do such a thing.

Believe it or not, you just became an atheist.
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astagfirullah, i sed GOD can indeed do such things but we do NOT have the knowledge of HOW he will do it!


so let me say it a little simpler:

God can do everything and anything but us humans will not be able to comprehend how he went about doing it.

i dont kno how to say it any simpler and I AINT NO ATHEIST!!

Laa illaha illalahu wa muhammadur rasullulah!!
 
Abd’Majid, if you will explain just what part of my post you are having trouble with, I will be happy to revisit it.

Thanks
Nimrod
 
nimrod said:
Mirage, then for you the answer is, Yes.

Based on what you based your answer on, how did Jesus walk on the water?

Thanks
Nimrod
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Jesus never walked on water. The dude could barely lift his freakin wooden cross when he got executed. And he didn't even last that long on the cross. Overall: UNIMPRESSIVE.
 
nimrod said:
Abd’Majid, if you will explain just what part of my post you are having trouble with, I will be happy to revisit it.

Thanks
Nimrod
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wow so polite, im sry if i came across rude in anyway before.

well sir this sentence right here:

“Can God create an uncreated being? Yes, or no?”


why are you dazzling your brain to such extents that you think of that which you cant comprehend, of that which you surely have no knowledge of?
Surely God knows that which you know not!
Thats all i meant :)

:peace: :)

sry again..
 

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