Agreed or Disagreed?

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Jesus never walked on water. The dude could barely lift his freakin wooden cross when he got executed. And he didn't even last that long on the cross. Overall: UNIMPRESSIVE.

out of respect for the members please try put your posts a bit more politely. Would appreciate it

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

I read that post and it actually didnt even come close. Why do muslims post up such rubbish and low quality stuff and then say "okay, i disproved you, done"? That post didn't even begin to answer the question.

LOL! Is this the best you can do to refute my answer? You are incapable of pointing out any flaws in my reasoning so you simply have to label it as rubbish, hoping that you can escape debate? Nice try, mirage.

Actually, the same answer was presented to another atheist forum member, czgibson, who considered it a reasonable response to the argument. Are you suggesting that he fell for 'rubbish'?

Hi nimrod

Was the man Jesus created?

Yes.

Was the soul that inhabited the body of Jesus created?

Yes.

John 8:58
58"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

Jesus had a pre-human existence. So did everyone.

But forgetting about Jesus for now, is it logically possible to create an uncreated being? The answer is obviously no, because it is a contradiction of terms. God does everything that is consistent with His nature.

 

[nimrod]

Ansar Al-‘Adl “I believe that the eternal/immortal cannot die”.

Did the body of the man Jesus die?

Matthew 12:40
40For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Thanks
Nimrod

 

[mirage41]

out of respect for the members please try put your posts a bit more politely. Would appreciate it

Sorry If I sounded rude. It just that there were innocent people who were crucified and suffered way more on the cross. There were prisoners who were nailed up their and survived for a week and was harrassed by people and animals and died slow cruel deaths. Why does Jesus, who only lasted for a few hours, hog all the attention (ie Passion of the Christ).

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Sorry If I sounded rude. It just that there were innocent people who were crucified and suffered way more on the cross. There were prisoners who were nailed up their and survived for a week and was harrassed by people and animals and died slow cruel deaths. Why does Jesus, who only lasted for a few hours, hog all the attention (ie Passion of the Christ).

lol im not a christian. As a muslim i rekon Jesus (Isa AS) neva got crucified and his traitor did (judas). A lotta people got tortured more on the cross yes, why we dont kno, who know's what evil they might hav dun, or who knows what rewards they'll get for there hardship.

eace:

 

[mirage41]

lol im not a christian. As a muslim i rekon Jesus (Isa AS) neva got crucified and his traitor did (judas). A lotta people got tortured more on the cross yes, why we dont kno, who know's what evil they might hav dun, or who knows what rewards they'll get for there hardship.

eace:

A vast majority of people crucified in the Roman Empire were slaves and warriors that resisted the Romans. Most criminals were just thrown into the gladiotor pits. Anyways this is a bit off topic.

 

[nimrod]

Mirage, you may find the thread “Why do you believe?” part 1 mildly interesting.
I will be interested in your refuting “Why do you believe?” part 2 when I post it.

Thanks, looking forward to an exchange of commentary.

Thanks
Nimrod

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

A vast majority of people crucified in the Roman Empire were slaves and warriors that resisted the Romans. Most criminals were just thrown into the gladiotor pits. Anyways this is a bit off topic.

sry bro im not a historian. I cant say anything on this matter. But i think everything happens for a reason and no1s innocent in this world... well not after the age of 18

 

[mirage41]

Mirage, you may find the thread “Why do you believe?” part 1 mildly interesting.
I will be interested in your refuting “Why do you believe?” part 2 when I post it.

Thanks, looking forward to an exchange of commentary.

Thanks
Nimrod

I'm having a good enough time with my fellow Muzzies, I really can't deal with two irrational religions at the same time. Too much too handle.

 

[nimrod]

Ansar Al-‘Adl, “Jesus had a pre-human existence. So did everyone.”

I find this most interesting. Will you explain what you are basing that statement on?

BTW I happen to agree, but my thoughts are purely speculation.

Thanks
Nimrod

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Hi Nimrod

Ansar Al-‘Adl “I believe that the eternal/immortal cannot die”.

Did the body of the man Jesus die?

According to my beliefs, no, but he will. But was it possible for Jesus to die? Yes. Was it possible for God to die? No.

I find this most interesting. Will you explain what you are basing that statement on?

My belief as a Muslim, which is that God created all human souls and a took a covenant from them before our earthly existence. The Bible also notes others having a prehuman existence, such as Jeremiah (Jeremiah 1:5).

Regards

 

[nimrod]

Ansar Al-‘Adl,

Footnotes:
Jeremiah 1:5 Or chose

Thanks
Nimrod

 

[nimrod]

Ansar Al-‘Adl, your response to this “John 8:58
58"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" has really been bothering me.

Your response of “The Bible also notes others having a prehuman existence, such as Jeremiah (Jeremiah 1:5)” in the context of what was being discussed is lacking.

What was the Jewish reaction to what Jesus said? If he was only clarifying for the Jewish folks he was speaking to that:

Everyone has a pre-human existence and “I am just saying I am one of you”, why would have the folks have reacted as they did to his simply statement, if his statement should be interpreted as you suggest?

I am sorry but what your replied implications are makes no sense to me. Perhaps I am just not seeing things correctly.

Thanks
Nimrod