Ahmadinejad calls for UN 9/11 investigation

[جوري]

A logical explanation for why a passport would survive a plane crash?

Basic physics tells you that it is possible.

Besides, how is this really "evidence"? We know the men were on the plane. There is video of them going through security. Why would they feel the need to plant a passport somewhere?

really basic physics tells you? oh OK you must have attended physics for poets, what about the laws of probability basic there too? what a hoot..

why would they feel the need to plant, is something you need to address to them.. simple minds can only cater to simple minds while giving the rest a hearty guffaw!

all the best

 

[titus]

I guess in your science classes they told you that when a plane crashes that everything on it disappears?

 

[جوري]

I guess in your science classes they told you that when a plane crashes that everything on it disappears?

I expect and let me quote your govt. website:
'') the impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns, dislodged fireproofing insulation coating the steel floor trusses and steel columns, and widely dispersed jet fuel over multiple floors; and (2) the subsequent unusually large jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires (which reached temperatures as high as 1,000 degrees Celsius) significantly weakened the floors and columns with dislodged fireproofing to the point where floors sagged and pulled inward on the perimeter columns''

that a 1000 degree Celsius /1832 degrees Fahrenheit which is enough to cremate a human body which in fact turns to ashes at 760 to 1150 °C (1400 to 2100 °F) and take adjacent buildings which weren't touched by planes down mushroom style to not spare an invincible saudi passport, and I mean Saudi for surely the plane didn't have one terrorist on board and no civilians whose passports could have miraculously survived... I rather worry about your state of mind for not only is science elusive but so are the laws of logic and probability!


I think you'd be better off just sitting this one out and hoping it would go away while parroting 'Muslims did it' until you fully believe it!



all the best

 

[titus]

Sure, everything that was not blown clear of the initial explosion would have been subjected to great heat. That does not mean that nothing on the plane was not blown clear. There was a lot of other debris found from the plane besides a passport. Maybe you suppose that was all planted also since you believe everything was instantaneously incinerated when the plane hit the building.

 

[جوري]

Sure, everything that was not blown clear of the initial explosion would have been subjected to great heat. That does not mean that nothing on the plane was not blown clear. There was a lot of other debris found from the plane besides a passport. Maybe you suppose that was all planted also since you believe everything was instantaneously incinerated when the plane hit the building.

was the passport riding outside of the airplane? It had a seat on the acela express and arrived separately? ;D ;D ;D ;D

like I said, you'd have been better off keeping your bazoo mum on this one and waited until it blows over..

all the best

 

[titus]

You seem to have a misconception that when planes crash there is no debris from inside the plane. During a plane crash the hull of the plane is ruptured, which allows items such as luggage and personal items to be thrown clear from the crash site.

The plane did not stay in one piece. There was no "inside" of the plane after it flew into the building.

Please keep posting. It makes my job easier when all I have to do to refute you is post basic common sense.

 

[جوري]

You seem to have a misconception that when planes crash there is no debris from inside the plane. During a plane crash the hull of the plane is ruptured, which allows items such as luggage and personal items to be thrown clear from the crash site.

The plane did not stay in one piece. There was no "inside" of the plane after it flew into the building.

Please keep posting. It makes my job easier when all I have to do to refute you is post basic common sense.

does 'debris' from a plane that combusted and took down separate building at a temperature that rivals hell equal to a whole passport with picture and not any passport of any random passenger NO, the passport of THE passenger.. Do people also travel with their passport strapped to their body or do they check it in with their luggage?

You are right, your job is the easiest of stand up comedy.. you can officially quit your day job and work on eliciting a hearty guffaw with your wit or lack thereof!

one funny dude, you should have worked for bush, you seem to echo his standards and his brain capacity which in fact echos the american public at large. No wonder your planes were hijacked by cave dwelling mountaineers with plastic knives.. you bring down the quota for the entire globe!

all the best

 

[titus]

More misconceptions from you.

1) Who has said that the passport of the hijacker was the only personal effect of a passenger found? Please find me that source.

2) You try to make it sound as if the heat alone from the initial impact destroyed the buildings. There was much more to it than that.

3) I have never read anything saying the hijackers lived in caves.

4) I have never heard they used plastic knives. The reports I read said they used utility knives in which the cutting instrument is a metal razor blade.

So the question I have is "are you aware that you are not telling the truth"?

Do people also travel with their passport strapped to their body or do they check it in with their luggage?

I usually store it in my carry on bag. If I want to use it as identification for anything at the airport it would be impossible for me to put it in my checked in luggage since I would not have access to it from before I went through security til I retrieved my luggage after I landed.

 

[جوري]

More misconceptions from you.

It is called common sense, I know, I know.. tell lily all about it..

1) Who has said that the passport of the hijacker was the only personal effect of a passenger found? Please find me that source.

How about you post for us other passports that made it? let's start with those odds before you get your manty's up in knots!

2) You try to make it sound as if the heat alone from the initial impact destroyed the buildings. There was much more to it than that.

aha, and that along with the much more shouldn't leave us with a saudi passport unscathed!

3) I have never read anything saying the hijackers lived in caves.

yeah apparently they were getting lap dances and drinking beer.. so Islamic like!

4) I have never heard they used plastic knives. The reports I read said they used utility knives in which the cutting instrument is a metal razor blade.

there you go:
http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/nether_fictoid9.htm

So the question I have is "are you aware that you are not telling the truth"?

umm no, it is still you!

I usually store it in my carry on bag. If I want to use it as identification for anything at the airport it would be impossible for me to put it in my checked in luggage since I would not have access to it from before I went through security til I retrieved my luggage after I landed.

what you usually do and apparently 'believe' doesn't echo reality!

I'll be waiting for your next stand up routine and with it I am removing my subscription to comedy central!

all the best

 

[titus]

How about you post for us other passports that made it? let's start with those odds before you get your manty's up in knots!

Other articles from passengers were found also, including ID cards, credit cards, money, etc.

And I am really more of a jeans kind of guy. Manty's itch and I hate having to shave my legs.

Source

4) I have never heard they used plastic knives. The reports I read said they used utility knives in which the cutting instrument is a metal razor blade.

there you go:
http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/nether_fictoid9.htm

You realize that the article backs up my point that there is no evidence that plastic knives were used, and that utility knives (among other things) were?

Thank you for verifying that when you said they used plastic knives you were wrong.

 

[جوري]

Other articles from passengers were found also, including ID cards, credit cards, money, etc.

And I am really more of a jeans kind of guy. Manty's itch and I hate having to shave my legs.

Source

I don't see passports, I see a really petty attempt to deflect from the stupidity of the first blunder and silly blog to cater to your silly mind!

You realize that the article backs up my point that there is no evidence that plastic knives were used, and that utility knives (among other things) were?

Thank you for verifying that when you said they used plastic knives you were wrong.

you realize that, that in fact was the original story fed the public along from the same page:
Following the September 11th attack, government authorities declared that the weapons used to hijack the planes that crashed into World Trade Center were plastic knives and box cutters. The story about plastic knives and box cutters, implements which passengers then were not legally restricted from bring through security checkpoints at airports, was relentlessly drummed into the public's mind by two of the highest officials in the government.
with the 'jihadis' getting lap dances and drinking the night before.. and you do realize that I was dispensing with mockery of the official story all along? Nobody believes that 'Jihadis' get lap dances before they are to allegedly die in the name of God, nor are folks able to hijack planes with plastic knives, nor do invincible passports survive a 2000 degree inferno...


good luck with all of that!

 

[titus]

I don't see passports, I see a really petty attempt to deflect from the stupidity of the first blunder and silly blog to cater to your silly mind!

What you need to see that is that many personal articles, including paper and plastic items, were recovered from the site. Is it your contention that all of these items were planted by the government? Or do you not concede that after a plane crash that such articles can conceivably survive?

Or do you still contend that everything on the plane instantaneously combusted when it hit the building?

you realize that, that in fact was the original story fed the public along from the same page:

Yes. I also know what the real evidence was: that there is no evidence that plastic knives were used.

and you do realize that I was dispensing with mockery of the official story all along?

You know that there is a difference between "official story" and what some high ranking officials said in an interview, right?

 

[جوري]

What you need to see that is that many personal articles, including paper and plastic items, were recovered from the site. Is it your contention that all of these items were planted by the government? Or do you not concede that after a plane crash that such articles can conceivably survive?

You have a head on your shoulder, try to use it to make a logical coherent thought of what transpired!

Or do you still contend that everything on the plane instantaneously combusted when it hit the building?

I have presented all that needs to be with solid evidence in lieu of a personal opinion for discerning minds and don't care to waste my time coaxing you into your beliefs!

Yes. I also know what the real evidence was: that there is no evidence that plastic knives were used.

That is the problem isn't it? what is real and what isn't when they start off with a story and retract if not act as if such words weren't uttered all together when they realize that even a fifth grader can see through the bull? But you know I can't say that I don't blame them, there is a portion of the population that is so into moronity and lap it right up along with the jihadis who were getting a lap dance!

You know that there is a difference between "official story" and what some high ranking officials said in an interview, right?

Yes, the difference is how long it will take them to tweak it after seeing how well or poorly received it is by the public at large.. the American audience in general seems to be of very low intellect and those that manage to escape the stupidity.. well may God help them, we know how they end up!

again, best of luck with all of that!

 

[Argamemnon]

it is Vale that is claiming that the government actually perpetrated it and tried to blame it on innocent Muslims. That is why she likes to bring up the passport all the time since she believes that this evidence was planted to frame the poor Muslim men blamed for it.

A "let-it-happen" government operation or an inside job, both are as bad as each other. Your government is immoral.

 

[Woodrow]

A "let-it-happen" government operation or an inside job, both are as bad as each other. Your government is immoral.

Probably more amoral than immoral. To be immoral you have to know the difference between right and wrong, but choose to do the wrong. To be amoral you don't give a hoot about right and wrong, you just assume whatever you do is right, because you are the one doing it.

Our government is quite a paradox.

The law states seperation of Church and state. While the pledge of allegience begins with "One nation under God......."

We have the Statue of Liberty on Liberty Island with a plaque that reads in part:

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

But, we place quotas on who may come here.

The govrnment is free from religious belief, but our motto is: "In God We Trust"

 

[titus]

The law states seperation of Church and state.

Actually the first amendment states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

So it doesn't actually separate church and state, it just says the government will not establish an official religion and everyone will have the freedom to exercise their own religion.

By stamping "In God We Trust" on trust they are not establishing any specific religion since it could be a Jewish, Christian, Muslim or Hindu god that is referred to.

That being said I never have really liked the government use of God on coins or in the pledge but I don't really have an issue with it being unconstitutional either.

We have the Statue of Liberty on Liberty Island with a plaque that reads in part:

Lady Liberty doesn't say, though, to send all of them over here. Nor is that poem a part of American law, simply a poem.