AIDS: A Punishment From Allah

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Muslimah_Sis said:
I am sure the verse above is relating to punishment in Hell. No punishment on earth is unrelenting because it ends with death. It's not reasonable to pick out verses from the Quran and apply them to anything just to make a point.


Anyway we can't say AIDS is a punishment from Allah. The truth is that the virus already existed in apes. So God never designed it to punish humans. Then at some point the virus crossed over to humans.. ..............................................
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Well I see AIDS in the same way. Humans are to blame for messing with nature and bringing the disease to themselves.
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How can the hunting & eating of bushmeat be "messing with nature" other than, it's not a good idea to eat our closest related ancestors, and AIDS is a classic example why. But then again, for everyone on this forum that are creationists who deny chimps and other primates as our closest relations then it ain't a problem to begin with. Go figure peeps
 
Can we please keep the evolution debate out of this thread? It's our own version of Godwin's Law - each thread on LI that is not in the World Affairs section will turn into an evolution vs. creationism debate.
 
Muslimah_Sis said:
I am sure the verse above is relating to punishment in Hell. No punishment on earth is unrelenting because it ends with death. It's not reasonable to pick out verses from the Quran and apply them to anything just to make a point.


Anyway we can't say AIDS is a punishment from Allah. The truth is that the virus already existed in apes. So God never designed it to punish humans. Then at some point the virus crossed over to humans.. But how? Due to humans own fault of course. It's like a mountaineer climbing without proper equipment then falling and breaking his neck. Would that be punishment from Allah or the man's own fault? I think the answer is obvious. Well I see AIDS in the same way. Humans are to blame for messing with nature and bringing the disease to themselves.
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Great post sis :thumbs_up
 
How can the hunting & eating of bushmeat be "messing with nature"
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The last I heard the "First Cause" is still unknown.

Eating chimps is only one of several theories.

Some of the other theories do qualify as "messing with nature".

But I agree “it's not a good idea to eat our closest related ancestors”.
 
today on the way to work i read a sign saying

790,000 sexually active teenagers are diagnosed for Sexually Transmitted Diseases.



AIDS ARE WITHOUT A DOUBT A PUNISHMENT FROM THE ALLMIGHTY FOR SUCH A SICK ACT WITHOUT NO REMORSE/GUILT OR HESITATION ON THE PART OF THE ONE COMMITING THIS GRAVE SIN.


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Muslimah_Sis said:
So God never designed it to punish humans
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How can you possible know it wasn't designed for that? ALL viruses have to originate from somewhere, I've never heard of a virus that originated itself inside an actual human. Even malaria originated from a plant.

Then at some point the virus crossed over to humans.. But how? Due to humans own fault of course. It's like a mountaineer climbing without proper equipment then falling and breaking his neck. Would that be punishment from Allah or the man's own fault? I think the answer is obvious. Well I see AIDS in the same way. Humans are to blame for messing with nature and bringing the disease to themselves.
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Are you assuming that you know the origins of AIDS? If so, what do you think it is?

By the way, you can't blame every person who has AIDS for bringing it upon themselves just because a couple of humans might have done something stupid!

Oh yeh, and messing with 'nature' is exactly how so many medicines and vaccines are made! It saves peoples life!

Unless the people you are reffering to had evil intentions, I don't see how that conclusion can be drawn...
 
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Funny..I was just learning about this yesterday, and do you know that 75% of the sufferers of HIV (which leads to AIDS btw) are heterosexual? So it can't be justified that homosexuals are the only 'victims'.
Even so, some people are immune to HIV, even if their partner has it..:muddlehea
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How can you possible know it wasn't designed for that?
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If is was - why would innocent babies/partners get it? Mainly babies who are sin free!? There is a revert sister who is HIV positive. Considering we believe all past sins are forgiven upon reverting, (therefore not punishable) is it feasible to think that the sister is being punished through AIDS?


ALL viruses have to originate from somewhere,
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I didn't say they don't.

I've never heard of a virus that originated itself inside an actual human
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Exactly! And that proves it's not a punishment as it's either acquired innocently or by putting one-self at risk. It's a consequence of human actions. Just like if I play chicken and get hit by a car - consequence of my own carelessness.


Are you assuming that you know the origins of AIDS? If so, what do you think it is?
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No hun, I think you're assuming that I am assuming. :P


By the way, you can't blame every person who has AIDS for bringing it upon themselves just because a couple of humans might have done something stupid!
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:D read my post again. I said that 'humans' have brought it upon themselves, i.e. upon mankind - not every individual has it brought it upon themselves. :rollseyes

Oh yeh, and messing with 'nature' is exactly how so many medicines and vaccines are made! It saves peoples life!
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Messing as in 'abusing' dear. Not researching!

Unless the people you are reffering to had evil intentions, I don't see how that conclusion can be drawn...
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I am referring to the fact that for a virus to have crossed over from animals to humans and as yet has no cure, man has somewhere/somehow crossed the bounderies of what is ethically/morally right. Whether that was professionally or personally, I don't know. But what I am sure of is that, this is precisely the reason why mankind is now suffering.
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i see it as a test towards humanity as a whole, for example even though only 9 people of thamud plotted against saleh all of them were punished. Aids can be seen in the same light right?
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
i see it as a test towards humanity as a whole, for example even though only 9 people of thamud plotted against saleh all of them were punished. Aids can be seen in the same light right?
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Even blessings are a test bro - to see if we appreciate them or not. :)

May Allah forgive me for saying this, but I believe some of what happens to mankind is self-inflicted. But yes, even in there is a test - the test of our imaan in many ways. So it doesn't necessarily mean that Allah thinks to Himself, "OK, I'll break so & so's leg and see how he reacts!" More like He knows so & so broke his leg becuz he was being a silly billy and not looking where he was going, so Allah tests him to see if his imaan remains strong in such an adversity.
 
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Muslimah_Sis said:
Even blessings are a test bro - to see if we appreciate them or not. :)
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understood.

May Allah forgive me for saying this, but I believe some of what happens to mankind is self-inflicted. But yes, even in there is a test - the test of our imaan in many ways. So it doesn't necessarily mean that Allah thinks to Himself, "OK, I'll break so & so's leg and see how he reacts!" More like He knows so & so broke his leg becuz he was being a silly billy and not looking where he was going, so Allah tests him to see if his imaan remains strong in such an adversity.
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but then again (and we can go deeper and deeper but im sure we wont cause we kno better) shaytaan and everything can be stopped by Allah, so it is Allahs will :)
 
^yup, nothing happens without Allah's will. That includes letting us do things wrong with our will. But that doesn't mean Allah wanted us to do it. :p
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
i dont blame you :p most muslims seem sooo clean and aids free one is bound to think somethings up haha ;D
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AIDS doesn't discriminate and as mentioned previously, you don't have to have sex with an infected person to contract it.
 
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