Alcohol....its fine in small doses!!!!!

[chacha_jalebi]

^ no namey bro i didnt say it haram, cos it smell like wee. i said why drink when it smells like that

i said its haram no matta what, not bcos it smells lol, i was jus givin social reasons

 

[nocturne]

I dont have a source for this, but i was listening to BBC world service a couple o f months ago.

One of the researchers said, there is no concrete proof that drinking of alcohol in small amount helps one health (this is basically the defence of many alcoholics).

I have no idea what it feels like to be drunk or even how it tastes, but working in ambulance, i have come across many drunk patients. I dont see where you can draw the comparison between some one who is "intoxicated" with coffee/tea/tobacco.

 

[Strzelecki]

I did not know that saltwaters were drinkable/palatable

*Laughs*
I think it's a figure of speech. ^^

 

[Dagless]

I dont see where you can draw the comparison between some one who is "intoxicated" with coffee/tea/tobacco.

This is because coffee/tea/tobacco are taken in small amounts. I alcohol was taken in small amounts you would not see the comparison in that either. In very large amounts all of these substances intoxicate.

 

[Dagless]

Also nobody has answered the questions on medication.

 

[Strzelecki]

Not all types of alcohols are intoxicants!

If you drink them, and enough of it, I'm pretty sure they all are...
[What type isn't?]

Also nobody has answered the questions on medication.

A- 1) Alcohol in medicine, if there is no alternative and is not taken but for medical purposes, is permissible. However, we should always look for non-alcoholic medicine.

Not sure how reputable the site is, sorry if that info is wrong:
http://www.salaam.co.uk/counselling/index.php?f=display_answers&id=154

 

[NoName55]

If you drink them, and enough of it, I'm pretty sure they all are...
[What type isn't?]

A- 1) Alcohol in medicine, if there is no alternative and is not taken but for medical purposes, is permissible. However, we should always look for non-alcoholic medicine.

Not sure how reputable the site is, sorry if that info is wrong:
http://www.salaam.co.uk/counselling/index.php?f=display_answers&id=154

Are you a chemist?:enough!:

"In chemistry, alcohol is a general term that is applied to any organic compound in which a hydroxyl group (-OH) is bound to a carbon atom, which in turn is bound to other hydrogen and/or carbon atoms. In chemistry, the term does not refer to intoxicating beverages, like it does in colloquial speech. There are numerous chemicals that are referred to as alcohols in chemistry. There is no Islamic legislation against alcohols as a chemical group. Islamic Law prohibits intoxicants, not alcohols. There is no mention of the term “alcohol” in the sacred texts of Islam. The sacred texts refer to wine and to intoxicants (drinkable spiritsand beers etc,).

The intoxicating substance in wine, beer and other liquors is known as ethanol. Ethanol is what is meant by the word “alcohol” in everyday speech. Ethanol is what is meant when someone says “alcoholic beverages are unlawful in Islam”.

Ethanol is the alcohol generally used in cooking and food preparation. The ruling on using foods that contain ethanol among their ingredients depends on how much ethyl alcohol remains in the food".

"There are other alcohols for instance, sodium lauryl sulfate is derived in a chemical process from another chemical known as lauryl alcohol (dodecanol). It is used mainly in soaps and detergents but can be found in some foods as an emulsifier. However, lauryl alcohol – which is sometimes used as a flavoring agent – is not the alcohol of intoxicating drinks. It is derived from coconut oil fatty acids.

Some sugar alcohols, like sorbitol and xylitol are used as sweeteners. A common sugar alcohol used as a food additive is glycerin".

 

[NoName55]

I posted the following at another forum in response to alcohol in the coke hoax

First and foremost I will never drink from same cup as an Iranian even if my life depended on it, let alone buy a drink from them.

Secondly, guess who started this alcohol in Coke story.

Thirdly, Alcohol is a group of organic compounds, not every type of alcohol is an intoxicant. You'll get more dizzy light-headed if you ate very ripe soft fruits that had fallen off branches of their own accord or have been stored.

"In chemistry, alcohol is a general term for any organic compound in which a hydroxyl group (-OH) is bound to a carbon atom, which in turn is bound to other carbon atoms and further hydrogens. Other alcohols such as propylene glycol and the sugar alcohols may appear in food or beverages regularly, but these alcohols do not make them "alcoholic""

Any alcohol content in soft drinks is going to be similar to what is found naturally in fruit. You don't become drunk from eating normal amounts of fruit, even though it does contain some alcohol. Alcohol is found in tiny amounts in most foods naturally, such as honey, breads, fruits and vegetables etcetera.

Where there is sugars and moisture, alcohol will be there sooner or later

ma'asalaama

 

[NobleMuslimUK]

The beloved Prophet Mohammad PBUH said alcohol is a disease, so how can a disease cure a disease.
These days majority of medicines are alcohol based.
Alcohol is haraam in all forms whether in medicine or just normal consumption, even touching it or selling it or even helping someone get it. A note to taxi drivers who mostly make most of their income from transporting clubbers and pubbers on wkends or most nights, that income is haraam for them since they are helping them in their sin.
Anything that fogs the mind is haraam, such as drugs, antidepressants. Coffee or tea doesnt fog the mind. Ciggarettes are haraam because they cause harm to the body.

Allah SWT knows best

 

[NoName55]

The beloved Prophet Mohammad PBUH said alcohol is a disease, so how can a disease cure a disease.
These days majority of medicines are alcohol based.
Alcohol is haraam in all forms whether in medicine or just normal consumption, even touching it or selling it or even helping someone get it. A note to taxi drivers who mostly make most of their income from transporting clubbers and pubbers on wkends or most nights, that income is haraam for them since they are helping them in their sin.
Anything that fogs the mind is haraam, such as drugs, antidepressants. Coffee or tea doesnt fog the mind. Ciggarettes are haraam because they cause harm to the body.

Allah SWT knows best

You mean He P.B.U.H. actually used the term "alcohol"?
And do you mean All the Muslims and Holy Prophets drank "disease" (wine, ales) before His (PBUH) times?

wow! you mut be a scholar (for you know things that I don't even understand)

and you have experience with caffiene ? is it it same volume in tea coffee as Ethanol is in wines and beers?

antidepressants fog the mind? there was me, thinking they were designed to restore the natural chemical balance. You must be a chemist since you know know that about antidepressants, which is news to me

 

[cal]

in a hadith of less or more meaning it says that if you it haram and drink alcohol ur salaat will not count for 6months.

 

[Dagless]

The beloved Prophet Mohammad PBUH said alcohol is a disease, so how can a disease cure a disease.
These days majority of medicines are alcohol based.
Alcohol is haraam in all forms whether in medicine or just normal consumption, even touching it or selling it or even helping someone get it. A note to taxi drivers who mostly make most of their income from transporting clubbers and pubbers on wkends or most nights, that income is haraam for them since they are helping them in their sin.
Anything that fogs the mind is haraam, such as drugs, antidepressants. Coffee or tea doesnt fog the mind. Ciggarettes are haraam because they cause harm to the body.

Allah SWT knows best

I'd like some quotes to back up your statements.
How can you say it is haram in all forms? and that even touching it is haram? What about disinfectants? Shall we abandon them??!
Lots of things fog the mind but how can you call them haram if they help? Many types of painkillers, cough medicines etc. can make you feel doped up and sleepy. Hell, when i take antihistamine's for my hayfever i sometimes feel drowsy and out of it. The effect is temporary though and its not like the people who use these drugs are doing it for kicks, they have a legitimate problem which the medication helps. Once the problem is gone they stop taking the meds.

 

[NobleMuslimUK]

I hope the following helps.

Question:
I suffered from pain in my kidneys on a number of occasions, and I could hardly urinate. I went to the doctor, who told me: your treatment is to drink alcohol, because alcohol has the effect of dissolving kidney stones. Then I drank alcohol and benefitted from it a lot. Will Allaah hold me to account for drinking alcohol? Please give me the correct answer; may Allaah reward you with good.

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

It is not permissible for you to drink alcohol. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has answered this question. In Saheeh Muslim it is narrated that Taariq ibn Suwayd said: I asked the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), “What about the alcohol that we make for medicinal purposes?” He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No, in fact it is a disease.” He stated that it is a disease and that there is no cure in it. This hadeeth indicates that it is a disease, and in modern medicine, there is general consensus that alcohol is harmful in all cases. Many ( researchers ) have written books and articles on this topic, stating that the tissues of a forty-year old drinker’s body are like those of a sixty-year-old. Even though you may have benefitted as far as your kidneys are concerned, and you have noted that it had an effect, some other part of your body will inevitably have been harmed; alcohol causes harm in all cases. It is not permissible for you to drink it. There are permissible medicines which you can use to treat your kidneys, without using this thing. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “O slaves of Allaah, seek medical treatment but do not seek it is anything haraam. For Allaah does not make the cure for this ummah in things that He has forbidden for it.” Even though you may have noticed a benefit in one way, it will inevitably cause a lot of harm in many other ways, as stated in the hadeeth of Taariq ibn Suwayd referred to above, which was narrated by Muslim. And Allaah knows best.

 

[NoName55]

Irrelevant post^^ instead of answering questions posed going off on tangents ^^Posting on Islamic matters, without Knowledge is against the site rules^

which one of us, in this thread, claimed that it was permissable to drink alcoholic beverages?

 

[Kittygyal]

Irrelivant post^^ instead of answering questions post going off on tangents ^^

which one of us, in this thread, claimed that it was permissable to drink alcoholic beverages?

Salamualikum.
Not i
ma'assalama

 

[NoName55]

Salamualikum.
Not i
ma'assalama

I am sorry I do not understand


Ma'assalama

 

[NoName55]

Please disregard the above post, now I do understand

 

[cal]

ethonol i think its haram ill ask someone

 

[Kittygyal]

I am sorry I do not understand


Ma'assalama

Salamualikum.

Don't ya just hate it when you fall asleep on forums and then next day wrote something which you don't know what you said and take ages to figure out what ya mean. Mwahahaha.

''which one of us, in this thread, claimed that it was permissable to drink alcoholic beverages?''

To aswer that question i said 'Not i' meaning i claim that it is NOT permissble to drink alcoholic beverages.

Ma'assalama