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as-salamu `alaykum wa rahmatullah:
The following question and answer may be of benefit;
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salamu alaykum
in a intrnet forum where members talk about islam does this count as remembereance of allah as mentioned in the followin hadith :
"When a group of people assemble for the remembrance of Allah, the angels surround them (with their wings), Allah's mercy envelops them, tranquillity descends upon them and Allah makes a mention of them before those who are near Him.''
[Muslim].
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as-salamu `alaykum wa rahmatullah:
Internet forums are of two main categories;
1. Those with a beneficial purpose
2. Those with other than a beneficial purpose.
The first category includes forums administered by scholars, or shaykhs, or well-known students of knowledge. It may be used for the benefit of the students, to submit questions for example, like in the case of the forum of www.albaseerah.org - in which the students can log in and submit questions for upcoming lectures with the scholars and the shaykhs that cooperate in teaching there.
The second category includes all forms of internet forums wherein the participants as well as the administrators are not known, even though some of them may know the identities of each other.
On such forums, those who post are not known, using names that do not indicate who they are, as well as the administrators; it is not known who they are or what qualified them, or who endorsed them in their administration of the forum.
Forums in this category - which may focus on anything from Islamic topics to tips on cooking or other than that - and here we are talking about forums administered by Muslims - they have used a tool and idea of the non-Muslims in a manner that is not Islamic.
Meaning; it is not known who the writer is, nor the person in charge of approving, or deleting, or the like.
So in this case, such a gathering is like a gathering of people in the dark, none of them can recognize any of the others, and none of them knows who the speaker is, and the leader of the gathering is not known, and none of them even know exactly where they are, etc.
Since such case is among the most useful of tools for Shaytaan and his workers, then after popularity of such forums spread, they became a focal point for the shayateen among jinns and humans, whispering in the hearts of men and women, encouraging them each to speak what is on their mind, and to say, in writing, what they would otherwise never have said.
And, as is recorded by al-Bukhari and Muslim and others, with different wordings, that the Messenger of Allah, sall Allahu `alaihi wa sallam, said:
"Indeed Allah has allowed for my ummah what is whispered in the breasts, provided that they not speak on it or act on it." Or as he sall Allahu `alaihi wa sallam, said.
But the shayateen not only whisper in the hearts of humans, but make evil seem good, and encourage them to justify and speak on it and act on it.
So whoever follows the whisperings of the shaytan, then the above narration does not cover them, and they are under the threat.
Then, these forums - the "we are free to speak as we like" forums, administered and attended by those following the whisperings of shaytaan, who made the "free-speech" idea seem good to the non-Muslims, and then the Muslims after them - except whom Allah had guided - feature all sorts of evils, from holding anarchic mob trials on individuals - which their shayateen have convinced them are "Islamic," to supporting every ignorant foolish person with a crafty tongue to display what appears to be their knowledge for their anarchist followers, who develop an admiration for them. So every student among them will find a shaykh to (mis)guide them, and every shaykh will find his students among these anarchists against Islam among the Muslims to follow him.
Sadly, after this, the “shaykhs” among them went even further upon the instigation of those whispering in their hearts, entering into the "blog-a-sphere."
And these blogs, while they have many of the same problems, they also contain others that are more grave. For example, there is hardly one that you can find, in which you will not see them advertising and referring you to cohorts of theirs at other blogs, wherein every kind of kufr and shirk are discussed, aside from all sorts of lewd, evil behaviors and ideas.
All of this, from one idea: "freedom of speech."
So they are all like the hadith of the Messenger, sall Allahu `alaihi wa sallam, recorded in the Sahih, wherein he gave a parable of the hudood, or regulations of Allah, and he explained that by a ship with different levels. The people on the lowest level wanted to get water and some of them suggested that rather than going up and down all of the time, and bothering everyone on the level above them, it would be better that they simply make a hole in the side of the ship so they can get their water.
And as he, sall Allahu `alaihi wa sallam, said, if the others do not stop them, they will all perish.
So most of these forums are like that, and the claims and ideas of their writers as well, as ridiculous as what the people on the lower level of the ship said, while there is hardly anyone on the ship of the forums to stop them, in fact, usually they all agree - democratically - that it is a good idea.
So through these means, they are made to see evil as seeming good, and to cooperate in it together, encouraging unity in that.
As for advice, Allah bears witness of those who have advised those responsible for such forums, while it is not reasonable to think that every single one of them has been advised, but it is known that many of them have been, and numerous times as well.
Finally, if a forum fits in the first category mentioned above, wherein the people are encouraging each other to the truth and encouraging each other with patience, then it can not be denied that there is some remembrance of Allah in that.
In the second category, it can also not be denied that there is some remembrance of Allah, but in this case, while scholars and shaykhs have warned of the dangers of such forums, and told the people to abandon them, and the evil they contain should be clear, then us saying that they are places of remembrance is like saying that about remembering Allah in a business that sells khamr, or deals in adultery, or the like, because in the spread of lies and falsehood, slander of the sacred honor of the Muslim, backbiting and gossip, utterances of statements of kufr wantonly, etc., are many major sins, some of which are certainly worse that adultery and khamr.
So to be just, it can not be denied that Allah is remembered in any of those cases, while it also is clear, that none of them could be named with the term: "remembrance of Allah," in truth.
See the following for more regarding this matter, and some replies from two Shaykhs about it:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/quranwasunnah/message/1217
and with Allah is the facilitation to what is right.
Was-salamu `alaykum
Abu Khaliyl
The following question and answer may be of benefit;
***************************************************
salamu alaykum
in a intrnet forum where members talk about islam does this count as remembereance of allah as mentioned in the followin hadith :
"When a group of people assemble for the remembrance of Allah, the angels surround them (with their wings), Allah's mercy envelops them, tranquillity descends upon them and Allah makes a mention of them before those who are near Him.''
[Muslim].
*****************************************************
as-salamu `alaykum wa rahmatullah:
Internet forums are of two main categories;
1. Those with a beneficial purpose
2. Those with other than a beneficial purpose.
The first category includes forums administered by scholars, or shaykhs, or well-known students of knowledge. It may be used for the benefit of the students, to submit questions for example, like in the case of the forum of www.albaseerah.org - in which the students can log in and submit questions for upcoming lectures with the scholars and the shaykhs that cooperate in teaching there.
The second category includes all forms of internet forums wherein the participants as well as the administrators are not known, even though some of them may know the identities of each other.
On such forums, those who post are not known, using names that do not indicate who they are, as well as the administrators; it is not known who they are or what qualified them, or who endorsed them in their administration of the forum.
Forums in this category - which may focus on anything from Islamic topics to tips on cooking or other than that - and here we are talking about forums administered by Muslims - they have used a tool and idea of the non-Muslims in a manner that is not Islamic.
Meaning; it is not known who the writer is, nor the person in charge of approving, or deleting, or the like.
So in this case, such a gathering is like a gathering of people in the dark, none of them can recognize any of the others, and none of them knows who the speaker is, and the leader of the gathering is not known, and none of them even know exactly where they are, etc.
Since such case is among the most useful of tools for Shaytaan and his workers, then after popularity of such forums spread, they became a focal point for the shayateen among jinns and humans, whispering in the hearts of men and women, encouraging them each to speak what is on their mind, and to say, in writing, what they would otherwise never have said.
And, as is recorded by al-Bukhari and Muslim and others, with different wordings, that the Messenger of Allah, sall Allahu `alaihi wa sallam, said:
"Indeed Allah has allowed for my ummah what is whispered in the breasts, provided that they not speak on it or act on it." Or as he sall Allahu `alaihi wa sallam, said.
But the shayateen not only whisper in the hearts of humans, but make evil seem good, and encourage them to justify and speak on it and act on it.
So whoever follows the whisperings of the shaytan, then the above narration does not cover them, and they are under the threat.
Then, these forums - the "we are free to speak as we like" forums, administered and attended by those following the whisperings of shaytaan, who made the "free-speech" idea seem good to the non-Muslims, and then the Muslims after them - except whom Allah had guided - feature all sorts of evils, from holding anarchic mob trials on individuals - which their shayateen have convinced them are "Islamic," to supporting every ignorant foolish person with a crafty tongue to display what appears to be their knowledge for their anarchist followers, who develop an admiration for them. So every student among them will find a shaykh to (mis)guide them, and every shaykh will find his students among these anarchists against Islam among the Muslims to follow him.
Sadly, after this, the “shaykhs” among them went even further upon the instigation of those whispering in their hearts, entering into the "blog-a-sphere."
And these blogs, while they have many of the same problems, they also contain others that are more grave. For example, there is hardly one that you can find, in which you will not see them advertising and referring you to cohorts of theirs at other blogs, wherein every kind of kufr and shirk are discussed, aside from all sorts of lewd, evil behaviors and ideas.
All of this, from one idea: "freedom of speech."
So they are all like the hadith of the Messenger, sall Allahu `alaihi wa sallam, recorded in the Sahih, wherein he gave a parable of the hudood, or regulations of Allah, and he explained that by a ship with different levels. The people on the lowest level wanted to get water and some of them suggested that rather than going up and down all of the time, and bothering everyone on the level above them, it would be better that they simply make a hole in the side of the ship so they can get their water.
And as he, sall Allahu `alaihi wa sallam, said, if the others do not stop them, they will all perish.
So most of these forums are like that, and the claims and ideas of their writers as well, as ridiculous as what the people on the lower level of the ship said, while there is hardly anyone on the ship of the forums to stop them, in fact, usually they all agree - democratically - that it is a good idea.
So through these means, they are made to see evil as seeming good, and to cooperate in it together, encouraging unity in that.
As for advice, Allah bears witness of those who have advised those responsible for such forums, while it is not reasonable to think that every single one of them has been advised, but it is known that many of them have been, and numerous times as well.
Finally, if a forum fits in the first category mentioned above, wherein the people are encouraging each other to the truth and encouraging each other with patience, then it can not be denied that there is some remembrance of Allah in that.
In the second category, it can also not be denied that there is some remembrance of Allah, but in this case, while scholars and shaykhs have warned of the dangers of such forums, and told the people to abandon them, and the evil they contain should be clear, then us saying that they are places of remembrance is like saying that about remembering Allah in a business that sells khamr, or deals in adultery, or the like, because in the spread of lies and falsehood, slander of the sacred honor of the Muslim, backbiting and gossip, utterances of statements of kufr wantonly, etc., are many major sins, some of which are certainly worse that adultery and khamr.
So to be just, it can not be denied that Allah is remembered in any of those cases, while it also is clear, that none of them could be named with the term: "remembrance of Allah," in truth.
See the following for more regarding this matter, and some replies from two Shaykhs about it:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/quranwasunnah/message/1217
and with Allah is the facilitation to what is right.
Was-salamu `alaykum
Abu Khaliyl
