All Trinity discussion goes here!

[جوري]

Shrugs...

I wouldn't want you to strain for an answer, you're not being graded!

Three things to mention:

1) Death is not oblivion

2) Jesus conquered death by His resurrection

3) Jesus' human nature did not make Him any less Divine

Another non-answer.. that is the case with everyone yet again. We're born, we live, we die we get resurrected (or so we hold the belief) it doesn't make Jesus God it makes him subject to the human condition!

The writers of the Bible are not mysterious.

Really what are their real names?

Most humans, even in Jesus time, were more skeptical than we think. They believed Him to be God because He bore the attributes of God.

Actually they didn't.. they'd to have a council to vote on your god's divinity!

Umm... yea... thats why I dont quote Luther to you, but you quoted him to me!

You alleged that Jesus was sinless and I have shown you that protestants don't think so!

Jesus taught that marriage is to be between one man and one woman, and that only death can break the marital bond. Muhammad taught that a man can have four wives, unlimited concubines, and can divorce by simply saying it three times!

Indeed marriage is between a man and a woman as opposed to two men with church approval but we digress.. how many wives did David have? what about that concubine he had on his death bed? how many did Solomon have, how about Abraham, how about Issac.. do you see what I mean by Christianity being a monolithic?
and thank God for divorces they don't turn people into murderers or hypocrites or trapped into a bad marriage and sinning with affairs on the side simply to please pederast priests who condemn yet sin on the side..

Why the change of heart?

Yes why the change of heart.. why no pigs then go eat pigs, why circumcision then no circumcision, why worship only god then three headed gods etc. etc. etc.

Saying 1 coin has 2 faces is not botched math...

Except two sides of the coin are still a metal object not three separate entities. You can't claim to be a monotheist and worship three gods!

Anymore than saying 1 Divine Nature in 3 Persons...

See above response .. you know what is sad, aside from these nonsensical beliefs.. is that I am half asleep and don't even have to put an effort in refuting you because what you write is so absurd I can't classify it as a story let alone a religion!

wa salaam ukhti

Aslaam 3la man itaba3 alhouda wa naha an'nfs 3an ilhawa aslaam 3la ahel aslaam!

all the best

 

[Ramadhan]

Perhaps you haven't realized, but we're not talking about the Trinity anymore. We're talking about the union of Christ's humanity with His Divinity (a separate topic.)

So your definitions of the words and the logic of your own statements can so easily change depending on the topic?

The error you are making is that you are equating humanity with Divinity.

For all we know, Jesus was humanity, so you are the one who equate humanity with divinity, not me.

Jesus is a Divine Person with two distinct natures, one human and the other Divine. The human nature is not the Divine nature, and the Divine nature is not the human nature. Each retains its properties despite being unified by the power of God.

Again, I'll point you out to your previous statement:

Since God and spirit are immaterial, they *CANT* occupy space.

This suffice to refute your own assumption that Jesus was divine.

I suggest you read my posts at a pace you can understand.

Unless they totally shut down their brain cells, logic and reason, there is no way anyone accept trinity concept.

 

[Sojourn]

I wouldn't want you to strain for an answer, you're not being graded!

There is no answer you will accept.

Another non-answer.. that is the case with everyone yet again. We're born, we live, we die we get resurrected (or so we hold the belief) it doesn't make Jesus God it makes him subject to the human condition!

Christ was crucified for comitting shirk. His resurrection indicates He told the truth, i.e. He really is God.

Really what are their real names?

The same names that have always been attached to them.

Actually they didn't.. they'd to have a council to vote on your god's divinity!

Christ was worshiped even as an infant.

You alleged that Jesus was sinless and I have shown you that protestants don't think so!

First, Protestant doctrine is not the majority position.

Second, I'm no fan of Luther, but assuredly he did not believe Jesus was a sinner!

Indeed marriage is between a man and a woman as opposed to two men with church approval but we digress..

Yes, you do digress.

how many wives did David have? what about that concubine he had on his death bed? how many did Solomon have, how about Abraham, how about Issac.. do you see what I mean by Christianity being a monolithic?

By that argument Islam is not monolithic either.

and thank God for divorces they don't turn people into murderers or hypocrites or trapped into a bad marriage and sinning with affairs on the side simply to please pederast priests who condemn yet sin on the side..

Such priests were more Muhammad-like than Christ-like.

But again, we digress...

Yes why the change of heart.. why no pigs then go eat pigs, why circumcision then no circumcision, why worship only god then three headed gods etc. etc. etc.

Why sacrifice, priesthood, a temple, being important... and then non important...

Whats your explanation from an Islamic point of view?

Except two sides of the coin are still a metal object not three separate entities.

There is a distinction between "coin" and "face", thats why 1 coin with 2 faces is not a math contradiction

Likewise, there is a distinction between Person and Nature, thus no math contradiction.

You can't claim to be a monotheist and worship three gods!

I dont worship three gods.

See above response .. you know what is sad, aside from these nonsensical beliefs.. is that I am half asleep and don't even have to put an effort in refuting you because what you write is so absurd I can't classify it as a story let alone a religion!

Funny thing is you havent even begun attacking Christianity! So far you've been attacking your own misunderstanding!


wa alaikum

 

[Ramadhan]

Sojourn,

let me refresh my memory, aren't you the one who few months ago claimed that there is no priests/nuns who converted to Islam? And then I, along with few others, gave you TONS of evidence. Then you disappeared for a while. Have you finished reading those articles and watching those youtubes?

 

[Sojourn]

So your definitions of the words and the logic of your own statements can so easily change depending on the topic?

The topic did change, but the point is you are so ignorant of what the Trinity is that you thought we were still discussing it! The Trinity has nothing to do with the union between Christ's humanity and Divinity.

For all we know, Jesus was humanity, so you are the one who equate humanity with divinity, not me.

"Jesus was humanity." talk about nonsensical! English isn't your first language, is it?

This suffice to refute your own assumption that Jesus was divine.

And again, since Jesus is not merely God, and not merely man, but a union of God and man, there is no contradiction.

(Im trying to see how many times I have to repeat this before it sinks in)

Unless they totally shut down their brain cells, logic and reason, there is no way anyone accept trinity concept.

Yes... listen to Muhammad who said the devil urinates in a person's ear if he sleeps during salah...

Religion of reason?

please...


wa salaam

 

[Sojourn]

Sojourn,

let me refresh my memory, aren't you the one who few months ago claimed that there is no priests/nuns who converted to Islam? And then I, along with few others, gave you TONS of evidence. Then you disappeared for a while. Have you finished reading those articles and watching those youtubes?

No akhi, you must be thinking of someone else. I never made such a claim.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Funny thing is you havent even begun attacking Christianity! So far you've been attacking your own misunderstanding!


wa alaikum

This remains the biggest problem throughout this thread. Wish I was able to rep you for this comment, for it is spot on!!


Even if the Christian understanding of the Trinity were false and not able to be substantiated from the Bible, we wouldn't have any idea what the problem with it was from this thread for the Christian understanding of the Trinity isn't what is being discussed. What is being lampooned by those who enjoy such forms of "discourse" (using a very generous way to describe some posts) simply isn't an proper representation of Christian teaching with regard to the Trinity.

 

[Woodrow]

I am closing this thread for several reasons.

1. It seems we all have a different concept as to what is the Christian belief about the trinity

2. There are no mutual grounds for constructive debate

3. The thread will soon fall into personal attacks rather than the peaceful discussion of our differences.

:threadclo: