Allah and Camouflage...(Atheists!!,Agnostics!! and seculars!!)

[Makky]

because of the complete lack of proof that a god exist....and no.....looking at the world is not enough because there are easily natural ways to explain everything...also because of the fact that allah would send someone to hell for simply saying he doesent exist....its really dumb imho.

I found this Quote in another thread... OK why don't you come to this thread and show us your muscles?

Answer the Questions if you can?!

 

[Makky]

3 Days and no one of The Atheists want to answer​

I'm posting the last Question again..Maybe the didn't see it

But nevertheless the insect and its remarkable adaptations are the result of evolution. That is a scientific fact. Of course, people in the USA often reject evolution, but that's an embarrassment to the nation, not something to be celebrated or encouraged.

there is no other current accepted scientitfic explaination.

So you both are Atheists and You both believe in the evolution theory. could you explain to us what happened to the 1st unicellular organizm to be after millions of years a leaf insect

so the Question is:

Regarding That a unicellular organizm reproduces by Division asexually while the leaf insect reproduces sexually, could you explain to us HOW its possible scientifically For a unicellular organism to mutate to be a multicellular organism?



Note:
We are Discussing here to display facts for the all..so no one post a link and say : read this you wil understand.

brothers and sisters we are still pausing sidetrack and secondary debates..please be patient..Step by Step and point by point..thanks in advance for allowing us to organize the thread

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[ranma1/2]

3 Days and no one of The Atheists want to answer​

I'm posting the last Question again..Maybe the didn't see it

your attitude could be part of it. if you perhaps were less hostile we might bother.
Now what does it matter? Lets say i thought aliens did it would that help?

We have replyed to many of your questions and you ahve not replyed back. Please do most of us dont care for one sided dialogues. Also did you check the berkley link?
It should answer many of your questions. Also wikipedia and google are your friends.

heres a 3 sec search "has a little to do with computers as well"
http://evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/EvolutionOfMulticellularity.html

 

[Malaikah]

I always thought Islam had no problem with the concept of evolution ... only with the evolution of humans ... but perhaps I remember wrongly ...

That is true. But I think many Muslim don't actually know that lol. :giggling:

Everyone seems to think Allah directly created animals, although there is no evidence (as far as I know- and this view is supported by people of knowledge) that suggests any thing other than humans were created directly and completely.

Perhaps evolution itself is so remarkable that it could have only come from a designer.

That is exactly the position I prefer to take!

 

[Makky]

A clever way to escape

your attitude could be part of it. if you perhaps were less hostile we might bother.
Now what does it matter? Lets say i thought aliens did it would that help?

where is your questions?..You didn't answer the main question..

We have replyed to many of your questions and you ahve not replyed back. Please do most of us dont care for one sided dialogues. Also did you check the berkley link?
It should answer many of your questions. Also wikipedia and google are your friends.

2 Quotes : NO Comment!!!!!!

Note:
Makky:
We are Discussing here to display facts for the all..so no one post a link and say : read this you wil understand.

ranma1/2:
heres a 3 sec search "has a little to do with computers as well"
http://evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/EvolutionOfMulticellularity.html

 

[ranma1/2]

A clever way to escape




where is your questions?..You didn't answer the main question..



2 Quotes : NO Comment!!!!!!

we are here for a discussion. you obviously are not here to learn so what is the point of your questions? I can answer your question however i want. Links seem to be fine for me if they provide answers. Of course you are not interested in answers.

 

[Makky]

we are here for a discussion. you obviously are not here to learn so what is the point of your questions? I can answer your question however i want. Links seem to be fine for me if they provide answers. Of course you are not interested in answers.

I started this thread to display the truth for all ...All answers should be specific...What if i told you the evidence of Allah's existance is in this or that book and you replied : my proof there is no God is in that book or this link...what will be the benfiets of this discussion ..or even would you call it a discussion??!!

Please Ranma1/2 be specific and write your answers and don't post links please..I consider posting links a point of weakness and a good way to pretend that you have answers for each question..

 

[ranma1/2]

I started this thread to display the truth for all ...All answers should be specific...What if i told you the evidence of Allah's existance is in this or that book and you replied : my proof there is no God is in that book or this link...what will be the benfiets of this discussion ..or even would you call it a discussion??!!

Please Ranma1/2 be specific and write your answers and don't post links please..I consider posting links a point of weakness and a good way to pretend that you have answers for each question..

your discussion is worthless. you asked a question, we answered it. You did not reply.

the links i have given you are so you can educate yourself on evolution which you are obviously ignorant on. Evolution has been supported by evidence and science. Your book is supported by your book. Thats it.
Now if you care to actually ask for the purpose of learning rather than stupid strawmen and pratt arguments we mighttake you seriously.

But as long as you are willfully non interested in learning about science there is no point to this discussion.

 

[wilberhum]

I started this thread to display the truth for all ...All answers should be specific...What if i told you the evidence of Allah's existance is in this or that book and you replied : my proof there is no God is in that book or this link...what will be the benfiets of this discussion ..or even would you call it a discussion??!!

Please Ranma1/2 be specific and write your answers and don't post links please..I consider posting links a point of weakness and a good way to pretend that you have answers for each question..

No Makky, you started this thread to prove you are right and every one else is wrong.

What if, what if, lets not speculate what would happen if what if happened.

There is no proof. There never has been and I assume that there never will be.
As ranma1/2 said:

Evolution has been supported by evidence and science.

And no, it is not proof. But it is the best of our knowledge.
Have a good read. Educate your self.

 

[Makky]

your discussion is worthless. you asked a question, we answered it. You did not reply.

the links i have given you are so you can educate yourself on evolution which you are obviously ignorant on. Evolution has been supported by evidence and science. Your book is supported by your book. Thats it.
Now if you care to actually ask for the purpose of learning rather than stupid strawmen and pratt arguments we mighttake you seriously.

But as long as you are willfully non interested in learning about science there is no point to this discussion.

ranma1/2 you forced me to expose you and uncover you ignorance..I could post this post before , i was waiting that you might change your opinion. I don't know why you are closing all the doors facing you in the way to your salvation.

I'm sorry...
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Brothers and sisters
my Question was

so the Question is:

Regarding That a unicellular organizm reproduces by Division asexually while the leaf insect reproduces sexually, could you explain to us HOW its possible scientifically For a unicellular organism to mutate to be a multicellular organism?



Note:
We are Discussing here to display facts for the all..so no one post a link and say : read this you wil understand.

His reply which he considers it an answer :

heres a 3 sec search "has a little to do with computers as well"
http://evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/EvolutionOfMulticellularity.html

1-the website domain name is: evolution of computing .org , guess what it is talking about?!?
2-this is a paragraph from the link he posted

Parallels in the evolution of multicellular computing

In the world of computing, the evolution toward multicellularity began when PCs were used as terminals to mainframes in place of dedicated terminals. As more “smarts” or software function migrated from the mainframe to the PC terminals, the interaction between client and server became richer and more varied. Then, with the emergence of the Internet, the central role of the mainframe was eclipsed. Today we see loosely organized general-purpose computers in web communities, P2P networks, and ad hoc grids such as SETI at home. These loosely organized communities are comparable to biofilms. Some Grid architectures are more formal and specialized and therefore are more analogous to small Metazoa such as the hydra or perhaps small jellyfish. In any case, we now see at least some aspects of all four principles already at play. Specialization becomes more common. Polymorphic messaging, especially in Service Oriented Architectures (SOA), Web Services, and Web 2.0 mashups grows rapidly. New and interesting stigmergy structures abound. And the beginnings of apoptosis mechanisms are showing up.

Will computing require additional, or different basic principles? We cannot yet know. But the fact that the same four principles seem to be already emerging in the rather different world of multicellular computing suggests that these are a good set of organizing principles.

^^^ no comment ,lol

3-Do you find any answer to the question in the following , do you even find the words asexual or sexual reproduction?!

Conventional wisdom asserts that the primary benefit of multicellularity, hence presumably what drove its evolution, is the division of labor, or specialization, provided by differentiated cells. (see Maynard Smith, J. & Szathmáry, E. The Major Transitions in Evolution, 1995). But differentiation arose slowly. Prior to the emergence of differentiation there was a more temporary form of specialization in biofilms; there was polymorphic messaging between genetically identical cells (e.g., quorum sensing); there was apoptotic behavior; and there was stigmergy. So it is difficult to argue what the "primary" benefit might have been.

The transition from single-cell to multicellular life did not happen in one evolutionary leap. We do not know with much precision when and how the strategies arose that support today's multicellular organisms nor what alternatives were tried and failed. All we know is that what we see today survived the test of time.
From our current perspective it appears that multicellular life evolved from single cells in two stages. First, single cell organisms evolved the ability to form loose cooperative communities, called biofilms, that can perhaps be thought of as “training wheels” for multicellular life. Perhaps the earliest colony bacteria were the cyanobacteria that evolved more than three billion years ago. Their fossil remains are visible today because these colonies secreted a thick gel as protection from solar radiation unattenuated by (then nonexistent) atmospheric ozone. This gel, in turn, trapped sand and debris from the surf which, together with lime secreted by the bacteria, formed the beautiful patterns of the Stromatolite fossil reefs visible in Australia (see image at left). These structures vary in size from twig-size to semi-truck size. Biofilms remain common today. Present-day examples of biofilms include slime mold, dental plaque, films on rocks in streams and many more.

The need for four key principles of multicellularity
Perhaps one billion years ago true multicellular organisms formed – plants, animals, and fungi – known generically as Metazoans. All cells in a Metazoan organism share the same DNA. As the organism develops, the cells specialize by sequestering and permanently silencing much of their DNA according to developmental genetic programs. Some organisms have multiple stages of stable forms, e.g., insects that exhibit larval, pupae, and adult forms. But these developmental stages all involve programmed cell differentiation. For most cells (stem cells being the exception) differentiation and the resulting cell specialization, is dramatic and irreversible.


While the full complement of genes and DNA control sequences in the multi-cellular genome is far more complex than that of single cell organisms, any given type of cell – and there are about 250 different types in humans – is functionally much simpler. That is, specialization and differentiation during the evolution of multicellularity lowers the complexity of individual cells. Each differentiated cell type expresses (i.e., makes the proteins coded for) only a few percent of the 25,000 total human genes. For example, all cells in the body have the gene for hemoglobin, but only red blood cells express it. Along with this specialization, the cells had to send messages to each other without passing DNA. They also had to cooperate to develop their "body," which is a stigmergy structure. And they had to develop apoptosis to remove cells that had outlived their usefulness or become dangerous. Without all four of those principles, true multicellularity would not work.


Might a different set of basic multicellular principles have worked just as well? Possibly. A few small differences in the early stages might have given rise to other principles. But, if so, we cannot know what they might have been.

the comments of our Brothers and sisters are welcome

 

[wilberhum]

ranma1/2 you forced me to expose you and uncover you ignorance..

Poor young Makky, it is not ranma1/2 you are exposing. :hmm:

 

[Makky]

Poor young Makky, it is not ranma1/2 you are exposing. :hmm:

I understand why are you acting like that , If ranma1/2 or even you have something to prove scientifically I'm prety sure you wont hesitate to post it, but it is the fact that you really don't have an answer


the Question again For any Atheist or evolutionist:
Regarding That a unicellular organizm reproduces by Division asexually while the leaf insect reproduces sexually, could you explain to us HOW its possible scientifically For unicellular organisms to mutate to be multicellular organisms that have 2 kinds of complementary genital organs matching together inorder to reproduce sexually



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[ranma1/2]

ranma1/2 you forced me to expose you and uncover you ignorance..I could post this post before , i was waiting that you might change your opinion. I don't know why you are closing all the doors facing you in the way to your salvation.

I'm sorry...
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Brothers and sisters
my Question was



His reply which he considers it an answer :



1-the website domain name is: evolution of computing .org , guess what it is talking about?!?
2-this is a paragraph from the link he posted


^^^ no comment ,lol

3-Do you find any answer to the question in the following , do you even find the words asexual or sexual reproduction?!




the comments of our Brothers and sisters are welcome

my reply gave some possible ideas of how cells became multicellular, i also admittted that the article also spoke about computers. Sexuality had nothign to do with your question. The article gave some possiblitites.

Now if you keep on this "proof" nonsense.
Why dont you prove that I am not god.

 

[جوري]

Why dont you prove that I am not god.

Would love to come to NY and bring a gun!

 

[ranma1/2]

Would love to come to NY and bring a gun!

So you cant prove im not god?

 

[جوري]

So you cant prove im not god?

Are you dense? we have lost a great member today as well as his family and the community he served, yet riffraff like you continue to thrive, offer and contribute absolutely nothing. Right now I am in no mood for Bull$hit.
as they say in Arabic I'ti'ey sharii!

 

[ranma1/2]

Are you dense? we have lost a great member today as well as his family and the community he served, yet riffraff like you continue to thrive, offer and contribute absolutely nothing. Right now I am in no mood for Bull$hit.
as they say in Arabic I'ti'ey sharii!

lost a great member?
Im personally glad that one person has used their mind. If you consider it a lost thats for you. Personally i just see someone trying to question and learn.
I encourage people to be skeptical and to want to learn why.
Dont believe in evo, fine, be skeptical. Just try to learn. See a flaw , learn about it. But the worst thing you can do is stop thinking.

God has always been shrinking.
god use to control everything.
people feared the wrath of god in famine and weather.
disease etc. had been seen to be caused by god..etc...
your god has gotten smaller and smaller.

 

[جوري]

lost as in passed away you fool.. DIED...only you can be glad because you are sick!...think before you yap! I don't think you can comprehend simplest of sentiment let alone engage in a debate. I hope they give you the boot soon... I am so not in the mood to tango with words with your ilk... just take a hike!

 

[جوري]

A mod should close this thread.. it has lost all value!..

 

[ranma1/2]

A mod should close this thread.. it has lost all value!..

This is gonna be scary , I agree with you.
Except this thread has had no value to start with.
Of course I hate it when mods close threads.
If you dont want like the thread then ignore it.