Allah is in America

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dsfas said:
This is all from the Quran, which was an entire book written by one man.

What makes this any more valid than if I were to write a book and proclaim that I was ordamed by allah to write this, and that the words in the book I write are his words?
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And whos that man your talking about? Our beloved Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him and his beloved family) never even knew how to read or write, so please back up your thoughts or ideas with facts. thanks.


Regarding your second point - please do that and see if more than a billion people follow the faith of yours. And lets see if your 'religion' has the historical/social concept to it too, in a form of poetry which tells you and every other person in the world how to live their life peacefully and easily, without even one mistake, and lets see if anyone can refute it.


Please do that. :)
 
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For one thing...your book would surely have errors and contradictions in it

Also your book may not contain undiscovered scientific facts which the Quran does

have a look at this PROOFS

The Quran has no contradictions and also it has never been edited or changed in the last 1500 years
unlike the bible for example
 
akulion said:
For one thing...your book would surely have errors and contradictions in it

The Quran has no contradictions and also it has never been edited or changed in the last 1500 years
unlike the bible for example
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Salaam

Good point bro, why has the bible got diffrent versions
 
well dsfas its like saying we have pain in our body but we cant see it but we can feel it.....Can we see our pain???NO we can only feel it..
Can we see our soul?NO but EVERYONE believes in a soul even though they dont see it..I believe in Allah I know Hes there...and so will every 1 else on the the day of RESSURECTION!!! InshAllah
 
dsfas said:
This is all from the Quran, which was an entire book written by one man.
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The Quran was never ever written by a man. The Quran was written by Allah(swt). Please take a look here.




A Muslim must believe in all of the scriptures sent by Allah to His different Messengers. A Muslim must believe in every scripture mentioned by Allah in the Qur’ân. Allah sent them and they are the actual Word of Allah.

The scriptures that Allah mentions in the Qur’ân are as follows:
1. The scrolls that were revealed to Abraham (peace be upon him).
2. The Torah that was revealed to Moses (peace be upon him).
3. The Psalms that were revealed to David (peace be upon him).
4. The Gospel that was revealed to Jesus (peace be upon him).
5. The Qur’ân that was revealed to Muhammad (peace be upon him).
At the same time, the Muslims do not consider the Bible that is presently in circulation in various editions and versions to be an accurate representation of the older scriptures that were revealed before the Qur’ân. According to the Qur’ân, people have changed these scriptures for their own worldly ends. What remains of them is a mixture of truth and falsehood.






What makes this any more valid than if I were to write a book and proclaim that I was ordamed by allah to write this, and that the words in the book I write are his words?
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The fact that allah(swt) has created the quran is apart of our belief which goes under the 6 articles of faith below.



These articles of faith are:
1. Belief in Allah.
2. Belief in His Angels.
3. Belief in His Books.
4. Belief in His Messengers.
5. Belief in the Day of Judgment.
6. Belief in Divine Decree


See, we cannot have any doubt that Alllah(swt) has created these books. Otherwise, we would be considered muslim.
 
dsfas said:
You didnt, you said that Arabic was the language of God. Really all you know is that Arabic is the language of mohammed, who wrote a book and claimed that it was a message from God.
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Exactly. That is what I was trying to prove to you not me:)
 
akulion said:
The Quran has no contradictions and also it has never been edited or changed in the last 1500 years
unlike the bible for example
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Ok. The Quran was written by one man. Its not hard to write a book that lacks contradictions if only one person is writing it.

So what if it hasnt been changed? Neither have any of the books homer wrote. (the odyssey, and the Iliad)


Also, the Bible has not been edited...so thats no example.
 
so dsfas is it true you are becoming muslim and thats the reason you want to clear this issue up ? :D
 
Are you listening to what we say - the man who it got revealed to (peace be upon him) never even knew how to read or write.


Have you actually been reading what we say? If your word was superior you would be able to respond to our points, so please try to do that :)


Fi_Sabilillah said:
Regarding your second point - please do that and see if more than a billion people follow the faith of yours. And lets see if your 'religion' has the historical/social concept to it too, in a form of poetry which tells you and every other person in the world how to live their life peacefully and easily, without even one mistake, and lets see if anyone can refute it.
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dsfas said:
Ok. The Quran was written by one man. Its not hard to write a book that lacks contradictions if only one person is writing it.

So what if it hasnt been changed? Neither have any of the books homer wrote. (the odyssey, and the Iliad)


Also, the Bible has not been edited...so thats no example.
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its not just a matter of not contradicting in words

its also about being mathematically balanced (the words in the Quran are mathematically balanced)
Mathetically Balanced Quran

not only that you say Mohammed(sa) wrote the Quran
But all of history records that Mohammed (sa) was illiterate
So how would you explain that?

Not to mention all the scientific facts in it which were only explained recently through scientific research!
 
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Greetings,

Ok. The Quran was written by one man. Its not hard to write a book that lacks contradictions if only one person is writing it.

So what if it hasnt been changed? Neither have any of the books homer wrote. (the odyssey, and the Iliad)


Also, the Bible has not been edited...so thats no example.
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WROOOOOOOOOONG :), If the Quran was written by one man as you say, why can't anyone produce the wisdom that it has in it?? why cant anyone produce even a surah like it, even a short surah?? huh?? huh??

The Bible was definately edited. I will find source for you right now.

And books like the Odyssey and the Iliad, can not be in no way compared to that of a Book of Wisdom, the Quran and i have never heard that such a books like these filled with fantasy and such nonsense changed a persons life or view of thinking.

Peace
 
dsfas said:
Ok. The Quran was written by one man. Its not hard to write a book that lacks contradictions if only one person is writing it.

So what if it hasnt been changed? Neither have any of the books homer wrote. (the odyssey, and the Iliad)


Also, the Bible has not been edited...so thats no example.
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Salaam

Henry broke with the Catholic Church and set up a (Protestant) National Church in England under his supreme leadership. What does this say about your so called religion.
 
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Halima said:
The Quran was never ever written by a man. The Quran was written by Allah(swt). Please take a look here.
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The Quran was written by Allah, and was found by Mohammed, correct? How do you know that this is true? What if mohammed wrote it and just said he found it?


If you live in a time when people are easily swayed, and you want to create a religion, which is a better option:

1. Write a book and then make copies and give it out to everyone
2. Write a book and say you found it somewhere and it was given to you by God and then make copies and give it out?


Option 2 will increase your marketing exponentially.
 
islam-truth said:
Salaam

Henry broke with the Catholic Church and set up a (Protestant) National Church in England under his supreme leadership. What does this say about your so called religion.
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...And?

What does this have to do with _ANYTHING_ at all?
 
Yup thats us defending islam - the truth, alhamdulilah (all praise is due to Allaah Almighty.)


Nope - the qur'an was revealed in a divine recitation which was taught by the angel Jibreel (Gabriel) [yeh the same angel which went to Jesus peace be upon him] and our beloved Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) learnt the recitation and it was written after that, thoroughly checked through and kept safe. Muslims even memorised the whole of the qur'an, and still do today, without any mistakes and that is also another miracle of the qur'an, this includes some brothers and even sisters off this site who know the qur'an off by heart. including bro Ansar, bro zAk, bro Khaldun etc.


Your second point is not allowed in islam, its disliked so much and even mentioned in the qur'an:


And believe in what I have revealed, verifying that which is with you, and be not the first to deny it, neither take a mean price in exchange for My communications; and Me, Me alone should you fear. (2:41)


 
Greetings,

how can someone illiterate write a book??

peace
 
Listen dsfas, calm down - we not gona eat ya :) lol just calm down abit and we just discussing our faiths - lets not fight or argue, but instead - try to understand each others faiths.

is that ok? :)
 
dsfas said:
...And?

What does this have to do with _ANYTHING_ at all?
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Salaam
How one man could simply change rules cause he doesn't agree with them and form his own church which people follow to this day.
 
ok everyone calm down...

relax and have some tea and lets get back on topic :D

what about my questions :P
 
Assalamu alaikum

lol i have to admit, this is fun

fi aman Allah
w'salaam
 
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