Allow converts to leave Islam when marriage ends

[north_malaysian]

there is no such thing as "death punishment" in Malaysian Shariah Laws...

 

[syilla]

there is no such thing as "death punishment" in Malaysian Shariah Laws...

i don't mean 'death punishment' but 'other' kind of punishment.

 

[north_malaysian]

i don't mean 'death punishment' but 'other' kind of punishment.

I think the maximum punishments are like 3 years imprisonment and RM5k fine.

 

[syilla]

I think the maximum punishments are like 3 years imprisonment and RM5k fine.

is this for apostasy? my shariah ustadz says none in our law.

 

[Muezzin]

Er... to begin with, people shouldn't be converting to Islam solely because they're marrying a Muslim. If they do, they're doing it to please their spouse, not satisfy their own sprituality. That's completely the wrong attitude and will obviously lead to renunciations if the marriages go pear shaped. The only love people should be seeking when converting to Islam is Allah's.

 

[Abdul Fattah]

Simple answer: people shouldn't become Muslim for the sake of marriage in the first place. If they did, one could argue that they were never real Muslims in the first place and thus can't apostate.

 

[north_malaysian]

is this for apostasy? my shariah ustadz says none in our law.

for all offences... for apostasy, usually they're sent to Pusat Pemulihan Akidah... (Faith Rehab Centre)

 

[Tania]

for all offences... for apostasy, usually they're sent to Pusat Pemulihan Akidah... (Faith Rehab Centre)

Its a jail :?

 

[north_malaysian]

Its a jail :?

I have no idea... but when a Messianic (or Mahdic?) Muslim cult called Al Arqam were banned in the 90s, all 7,000 members were put in this centre. And months later...the leaders and members of the cult repented... and claiming that their cult as unIslamic and declared that they would follow Sunni Islam.

 

[YusufNoor]

Originally Posted by Al Habeshi View Post
Am confused, are you saying Marriage to non Muslims is haram, because of a premarital reletinship with the non believer is haram?

Those are two different things? 1, Marriage 2 Reletionship outside marriage.

we're talking:

Those are two different things? 1, Marriage 2 Relationship BEFORE marriage.

actually, i'm paraphrasing Mufti Ismail Menk, who does indeed say that!

i can't remember if it was a khutbah, or during a nikkah or one of his Taraweeh lectures, but if i remember and it's online i'll send you the link.

it took me a while Akhi, but i found it. it is a Taraweeh lecture regarding Surah #5, Al-Maeda. Whilst discussing whether or not we can eat the food of the "people of the Book", the Mufti carries it forward but discussing whether or not Muslim men can marry"women of the book":

http://www.nazirakoob.com/menk/Tafseer2006.html
go down to 6 Ramadaan 1427 [although, i'm sure it was the 5th]; anyway it you click listen you'll get a quicktime player. slide the "knob" 55% of the way over. right around there, he begins the Tafseer on Al-Maeda. after discussing Halal vrs Haram and then the food of the people "of the book", he talks about the marriage issue.

sorry it took me so long to find it...

 

[Malaikah]

Simple answer: people shouldn't become Muslim for the sake of marriage in the first place. If they did, one could argue that they were never real Muslims in the first place and thus can't apostate.

I don't think so... weren't the law of apostacy revealed because of people fake converting in the first place?