An Introduction to the Science of Hadith

[czgibson]

Greetings,

It probably isn't what you think. Check out this link: http://muttaqun.com/scienceofhadith.html

That's pretty much what I thought it might be.

Does anybody know why this kind of thing is referred to as a science?

It looks to me like a codification of hearsay.

Peace

 

[جوري]

Greetings,


That's pretty much what I thought it might be.

Does anybody know why this kind of thing is referred to as a science?

It looks to me like a codification of hearsay.

Peace

Greetings,

It is called as such since there is a process that Muslim scholars use to evaluate hadith, of articles mentioned in Br. Uthman's link..

You want it to be if you'll pardon the term puritanical about it!
Also the interpretation of hadith shouldn't be left to laymen either.. hence there is a science/methodology to it..

Jurisprudence requires schooling like everything else.. I mean even if you are gifted as an artist or a scientist, you still go to school to hone in and properly cultivate your talents.

peace

 

[syilla]

Definition of Science :

Science 2

Definition: Accumulated and established knowledge, which has been systematized and formulated with reference to the discovery of general truths or the operation of general laws; knowledge classified and made available in work, life, or the search for truth; comprehensive, profound, or philosophical knowledge.

more here

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

Greetings,

It is called as such since there is a process that Muslim scholars use to evaluate hadith, of articles mentioned in Br. Uthman's link..

You want it to be if you'll pardon the term puritanical about it!
Also the interpretation of hadith shouldn't be left to laymen either.. hence there is a science/methodology to it..

Jurisprudence requires schooling like everything else.. I mean even if you are gifted as an artist or a scientist, you still go to school to hone in and properly cultivate your talents.

peace

I can accept there is a methodology to it, but surely it's closer to historical research than anything else?

Should we call history a science as well?

Peace

 

[doorster]

if [العلم] translates to Science [علوم] to Sciences and [عالم] to scientist, then what should [علوم الحديث] uloom ul hadees be translated to but Sciences of hadees? (I am asking this because I am not Arab thus there is a chance that you know more Arabic than I can ever dream of knowing)

Greetings,


I can accept there is a methodology to it, but surely it's closer to historical research than anything else?

yes, but... see below

Should we call history a science as well?

yes (if you want to), IMHO, because from the Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge" or "knowing" is the effort to discover, and increase human understanding, (unless a particular field [**] trademarks the term for their exclusive use, we'll keep on using it)

because

The fact of knowing something; knowledge or understanding of a truth:; Knowledge gained through study or practice; mastery of a particular discipline or area; The collective discipline of study or learning acquired through the scientific method; the sum of knowledge gained from such methods ...
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/science

[**] e.g. Astronomy, Astrophysics. Biology, Biochemistry, Botany, Chemistry, Earth Science, Forestry, Genetics, Geology, Mathematics, Physics, Zoology

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

if [العلم] translates to Science [علوم] to Sciences and [عالم] to scientist, then what should uloom ul hadees be translated to but Sciences of hadees? (I am asking this because I am not Arab thus there is a chance that you know more Arabic than I can ever dream of knowing)

I don't know Arabic at all, so you've got me there!

I think your explanation gives one good reason why it's called the science of hadith, rather than, say, the study of hadith. I think it has more to do with the Arabic language than to the actual nature of the discipline.

The definitions from wikipedia are mostly rather general, and could apply to almost any field of study. I'm sure you would agree, though, that it would be a little strange to see a poster advertising a subject-based course as "the science of philosophy", or "the science of art history", where such a phrase was simply taken to mean "philosophy" or "art history" as subjects.

The definition that is rather more specific is to do with using the scientific method. Does the science of hadith use the scientific method, would you say?

Peace

 

[doorster]

Greetings,
...

I think your explanation gives one good reason why it's called the science of hadith, rather than, say, the study of hadith. I think it has more to do with the Arabic language than to the actual nature of the discipline.

...

^^(to bring an end to the argument) that will suffice for me (and is acceptable to me).

for now eace: peace

 

[Uthman]

I have only ever seen العلم tranlated as knowledge.

For example, the arabic word is used when Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said that "Seeking knowledge is an obligation on every Muslim."

However, I would say that the meaning of the words science and knowledge are inextricably linked anyway so العلم would probably be translated as science too depending on the context.

Science of hadith seems more accurate in this context than knowledge of hadith anyway if we take a broad English definition of science such as this one:

A particular discipline or branch of learning, especially one dealing with measurable or systematic principles rather than intuition or natural ability.
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In fact, I would say that the science of hadith can be classified perfectly into this definition since it deals with exactly that - systematic principles.

Allah knows best. (<-- A form of the same word is used there as well for know!)

 

[doorster]

I have only ever seen العلم tranlated as knowledge.

you are correct but (same words can be and are used slightly differently depending on the context of phrase/sentence) .. see below (and (#7)

[علم] in a (nonMuslim) Dictionary is Flag and [العلم] is Science

noun

1. science
2. knowledge
3. learning
4. scholarship
5. cognizance
6. flag
7. banner
8. standard
9. bunting
10. bar

verb

1. adjudicate
2. advise
3. inform
4. educate
5. instruct
6. let know
7. notify
8. know
9. mark out
10. locate
11. mark
12. coach
13. tick
14. post
15. profess
16. cognize
17. apprise
18. advertise
19. tell
20. teach
21. read
22. school
23. indoctrinate
24. drill
25. apprize

Please note that I go by dictionaries/books because my first language is Urdu NOT Arabic (or its distortions/dialects)

wasalam

 

[doorster]

I am sure you wont be missing much, for if you need to or want to you can learn at a REAL university near you.

These people go around a few countries in Middle East and come back with 40 ijaazats to teach any and everything conceivable over a weekend or 2. and those who attend these money making schemes return "fully fledged Muhaddiseen" ready to "teach" and issue fatwas all over the place.

An Introduction to the... 06-17-2009 11:57 AM Hafsah Speak good or remain silent

what is more "good" than to question the ignorant to expose ignorance? do tell me me more also look at the quote below

.. and Ijaza to them may be given to those who fully participate in the course insha'Allah.

you people become expert muhaddiths and have Ijaazats to teach after attending a course for 4 weekends and expect no one to question you?

edit:
hadees: Speak good or remain silent, (when abused/misused to silence critics), to me looks like the exact opposite of hadees: when you see an Evil Act: Stop It with your hand... and Quranic order of Enjoining good and forbidding evil

 

[جوري]

Greetings,


I can accept there is a methodology to it, but surely it's closer to historical research than anything else?

Should we call history a science as well?

Peace

if there is a science to it then yes..
I use the art of science and the science of art often, since there is some of both in each!

I guess it depends on how you define both terms..

all the best

 

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