Anti-Prophet Campaign Hits Facebook

[Isambard]

how is that hypocritical? it is just their belief.

They are allowed to express their belief that we are immoral. Why cant others express their belief that Muhammed wasnt a nice guy?

 

[جوري]

The article mentioned some of their beliefs, now produce some evidence that they intend physical harm to muslims or you are just pulling stuff out of your rear in regards to your previous statement that they wish to break the law.

I didn't say 'physical harm'-- breaking the laws can take many forms, and I believe I have given plenty examples how to scaveau a couple of posts ago, I don't enjoy repeating myself!

Lets see, if I convert to islam, then decide it isnt for me and speak out agaisnt the taught ideology what will happen to me?

You should read the chapter in its regard also on this forum to understand the jurisprudence and the ruling per case.. the laws of an Islamic state are no different than the laws of the U.S. in terms of treasons.. http://www.citypaper.net/articles/2003-06-19/cover.shtml
go ahead and read about the Rosenbergs before you rear your pompous *** it would actually do you some good to read in general

I said retard women's rights and economy. I would comment further but you just pwned yourself. Well done

I don't know what 'pwned' means to care really one way or the other..and again show me where in Islam it is condoned to retard women's rights and the economy... this time actually do read about the role of Muslim women in an Islamic state, so we aren't constantly engaging in this petitio principii! early Muslim women

I believe this will help you in further endeavors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_comprehension

No it really doesn't!

As I have shown, you are fighting windmills

where have you shown me that?

hmm what is the name of the tex Jews and Christians have to pay under Shar'ia? And to what degree are they allowed to promote their religion?

How much tax do you pay to Canada or the United States? You are a citizen of a country you pay its taxes..Muslims don't pay it because they have to perform mandatory charity plus they go to war,which no Jew or Christian under an Islamic state is to be drafted in. Thus they get to have their cake and eat it to. I fail to see your point yet again! :coolalien

"A bias is a prejudice in a general or specific sense, usually in the sense for having a preference to one particular point of view or ideological perspective. However, one is generally only said to be biased if one's powers of judgment are influenced by the biases one holds, to the extent that one's views could not be taken as being neutral or objective, but instead as subjective. A bias could, for example, lead one to accept or deny the truth of a claim, not on the basis of the strength of the arguments in support of the claim themselves, but because of the extent of the claim's correspondence with one's own preconceived ideas. This is called confirmation bias."

what a bunch of plagiarized rubbish, given your aptitude, is probably mystery even to your person..try to exercise cognitive conservatism a little less, so you wouldn't be so overstrung all the time looking for definitions on wiki. They might just take the site down and then your insta 'intelligence' will be lost in some dark cyber crevice; and then what will you do to back up your trivial objections?

Lets see, Muslims can create groups on Facebook promoting Islam while denouncing Atheism, while athiests cant create a group promoting atheism and denouncing Islam. You are right, that makes perfect sense and is perfectly fair, how did I ever accuse you of a bias?

I don't know any Muslim groups that congregates to oppose atheism... unless they were threatening in nature, then fighting them would be mandatory...Simply, no one cares for Atheists. They are a negligible percentage of the population, that no one bothers with, unless they impose their presence en masse to implement some sort of hateful agenda.

O my! While you were busy exposing and flashing your er..umm "dignity and honour (lol) you forgot to address the point in any sort of relevant way. Its ok, that tends to happen when one has nothing to say.

I honestly wish you had a point instead of bunk!

Cute, but its a red herring. You complaining about folks not liking Islamic principles and ideology and by default making them dangerous is the same as those who complain that not liking zionism = anti-jewish sentiment ( this is to help you, I know you have trouble focusing on actual points and arguements.).

I have never complained.. if I wanted to, I'd visit the atheist forum, the Christian forum, the Jewish forum etc and hurl it out there the way you do here.. and I know incisively what you were educing the first round.. I just wanted to highlight, how even your analogies are as light in the head as everything else you disgorge..

With that said, I give you this.
http://dev.freeverse.com/~hip/images/pwnage.png

Open with care my dear

How droll-- I always take care, but I am not your dear, so take no liberties when addressing me!... Now if you'll excuse me I am about to watch an adaptation of Harper lee's, and as amusing as this all was... it is just not worth the web space!

taaaaaaaa

 

[Skavau]

How is it that you can defend what you don't know then?

I'm defending the right of an Anti-Islamic group (none in particular) to exist.

Just a couple of posts ago,you decided you had thick skin and such happenings didn't move you one way or the other.

When it comes to insults towards me, yes.

I would defend my mother though if she was insulted. I would though never resort to violence to defend her though.

I don't understand what that means!

You think it is only a matter of time before violence towards anyone becomes a right?

You just stated you'd fight for the rights of such groups to do as they please, even if you don't agree with it.. I am just curious as to where you draw the lines? Who defines the lines for you?

When it infringes upon the rights of others. That is line drawn. I am very much a Libertarian.

 

[snakelegs]

They are allowed to express their belief that we are immoral. Why cant others express their belief that Muhammed wasnt a nice guy?

you just did!
i haven't read the articles the group posted. in fact, i never even heard of facebook until today. so i can't judge it specifically. i wouldn't even have gotten involved in this thread but your post caught my eye.
an atheist complaining that one religion considers other religions' scriptures as corrupt was toooooo much for me.

 

[Isambard]

I didn't say 'physical harm'-- breaking the laws can take many forms, and I believe I have given plenty examples how to scaveau a couple of posts ago, I don't enjoy repeating myself!



Alright, quote some of their tenents that show they intend to break the law.

You should read the chapter in its regard also on this forum to understand the jurisprudence and the ruling per case.. the laws of an Islamic state are no different than the laws of the U.S. in terms of treasons.. http://www.citypaper.net/articles/2003-06-19/cover.shtml
go ahead and read about the Rosenbergs before you rear your pompous *** it would actually do you some good to read in general


How is speaking out agaisnt an ideology a form of treason? Or is it ok to employ McCarthy Era tactics agaisnt any and all who dislike capitolism and Americanism?


I don't know what 'pwned' means to care really one way or the other..and again show me where in Islam it is condoned to retard women's rights and the economy... this time actually do read about the role of Muslim women in an Islamic state, so we aren't constantly engaging in this petitio principii! early Muslim women


This is simple to demonstrate. Go outside and ask non-muslim women how eager they are to give up their right of freedom of dress. For more of a giggle, also ask them how eager they are to give up freedom of a proper education (for Afgany Shar'ia) or freedom to drive (for Saudi Shar'ia) etc.



No it really doesn't!

Really? I thought confusing women's rights with simply women is pretty bad. Perhaps you were just doing some selective reading eh?


where have you shown me that?


The whole shpiel about Islamic women being retarded when I was talking about women's right.


How much tax do you pay to Canada or the United States? You are a citizen of a country you pay its taxes..Muslims don't pay it because they have to perform mandatory charity plus they go to war,which no Jew or Christian under an Islamic state is to be drafted in. Thus they get to have their cake and eat it to. I fail to see your point yet again! :coolalien


Of course you did, you did more selective reading. Check out my second question about how many christians and jews are allowed to promote their religion under Shari'a law.



what a bunch of plagiarized rubbish, given your aptitude, is probably mystery even to your person..try to exercise cognitive conservatism a little less, so you wouldn't be so overstrung all the time looking for definitions on wiki. They might just take the site down and then your insta 'intelligence' will be lost in some dark cyber crevice; and then what will you do to back up your trivial objections?

Spraying venom help noone. How about address the issue? I dont know, perhaps its just me, but I think it makes for a much stronger point :coolious:

I don't know any Muslim groups that congregates to oppose atheism... unless they were threatening in nature, then fighting them would be mandatory...Simply, no one cares for Atheists. They are a negligible percentage of the population, that no one bothers with, unless they impose their presence en masse to implement some sort of hateful agenda.

Funny, they seem to care on facebook. Why looking at it now there seems to be a number of groups with the simple title of "F--- Atheism"



I honestly wish you had a point instead of bunk!


I did, and you failed to address it.

I have never complained.. if I wanted to, I'd visit the atheist forum, the Christian forum, the Jewish forum etc and hurl it out there the way you do here.. and I know incisively what you were educing the first round.. I just wanted to highlight, how even your analogies are as light in the head as everything else you disgorge..

Another red herring.

How droll-- I always take care, but I am not your dear, so take no liberties when addressing me!... Now if you'll excuse me I am about to watch an adaptation of Harper lee's, and as amusing as this all was... it is just not worth the web space!

taaaaaaaa

It brings a smile to my face and a little glow to my heart knowing that you opened it

That said, I too enjoyed our little forum acrobatics and sparring, even if it was little more than a stetch for me.

Good night eace:

 

[جوري]

I can't say that like wise I enjoyed it.. anymore than your piteous endeavors at adult communication. You don't reason well, I suspect since all your info either comes from wiki or your ten o'clock news? That is if in fact you watch it in full so on some level it would amend and reflect in your thought processes and written word... your wit is sophomoric at best.. that aside you'd be glad to know that western women who embrace Islam convert at a rate of 5-1 .. I suppose they are not all suffering your brand of cachinnation?.. civility, intellect and women's rights believe it or not isn't contingent upon how much clothes you take off or put on. In fact, it is mandatory of Jews as well as christians observe the same dress code!
Curious .. have you ever lived in saudi Arabia?-- I have lived there for four years and I guarantee, the lowliest scullery maid is still better educated than you...
and on a last note.. neither Saudi Arabia, nor Afghanistan follow shari3a law... Again some proper reasoning and even light reading would evince that, in an Islamic state there is a khilafah not a monarchy!

The highlight of my evening was to kill a mocking bird..regrettably, your brand of entertainment couldn't butter your bread, thus I hope you invest in some basic vocational training to foster self esteem!
taa

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

This Anti-Muslim group has all right to exist. As long as this particular group is not infringing upon Facebook's code of conduct or inciting violence there is no issue (or ought not to be).

There should be no special treatment allocated.

no it dosn't, not in the least. all i can say is, take a hike already.

 

[aamirsaab]

Meh, I've seen most of those hate-sites on facebook (and on the rest of the WWW), and if you've seen one, you've seen them all. Sad, pathetic, waste of time.

Move along, move along.

 

[Isambard]

I see you've completely given up on discussion and instead turned to flinging insults and lording your ego. Thats fine. Given your lack of evidence supporting your evidence I guess there is little else to do. Atm I feel like some good discussion with real points so I guess I'm done with you until you can come up with a coherent retort that is in anyways relevant to the topic.

 

[Isambard]

Meh, I've seen most of those hate-sites on facebook (and on the rest of the WWW), and if you've seen one, you've seen them all. Sad, pathetic, waste of time.

Move along, move along.

A shame more people dont have your attitute. The first rule of the internet is DONT FEED THE TROLLS.

Im trying to find said offensive group (F-- Islam) and it seems in the heat of the debate there has been a number of copycats in the spirit of trolling and flamming.

To quote Zero Punctuation (favorite e-ranter) "the crowd online can at best be described as lively, and at worst, as a bunch of hooting ******!"

That said, there does some to be some level of fairness.

Looking at just the first 10pgs of 60 or so pgs of hits for my search, I see
F Atheists
F Jews
F Creater of the group we are discussing
F all religious ppl
F anyone who likes Dawkins
F Americans
F ninjas
etc.

Dont feed the trolls folks. Its dangerous to your health!

 

[Isambard]

I found the group.

"The Quran contains many lies and threats. Islam is false, no god exists, and someone should say that loud and clear. Heaven and hell are fables, prayer is a waste of time, and angels and jinn are obviously mythology.
This is not a group against Muslims. They have it bad enough. If you doubt that go to Palestine. If you hate Muslims or are here to harrass them or promote your religion, go away. Muslims can be and usually are peaceful and respectful.
The best thing for the whole world is a rejection of all religions and a renewed discovery of the love for humanity and naturalism.
F Christianity and Judaism as well. These religions are just as false and have a variety of disadvantages. There are other groups devoted to each of these false ideologies. Here is one devoted to religion in general: http://unm.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2225572075
and here is one for Christianity: http://unm.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5857745671"

Seems like nothing more than a group of secular humanists have a problem with religion. Whats so offensive about it?

 

[Zman]

There should be no special treatment allocated

I keep reading about how Islam & Muslims shouldn't get "special treatment," or be "appeased," or have laws "changed" for us, or "infringing on their freedom of speech," etc.

Yet, you can't say anything about Jews, or you're labeled as an anti-Semite and you have your credibility destroyed.

You can't say anything negative about African-Americans, or else.

You can't say anything about women, or else.

You can't say anything about gays, or else.

And so on.

That's special treatment and had laws created to specifically deal with them and their violaters.

What a load of crap. Their hypocrisy is absolutely nauseating...

 

[Isambard]

I keep reading about how Islam & Muslims shouldn't get "special treatment," or be "appeased," or have laws "changed" for us, or "infringing on their freedom of speech," etc.

Yet, you can't say anything about Jews, or you're labeled as an anti-Semite and you have your credibility destroyed.

You can't say anything negative about African-Americans, or else.

You can't say anything about women, or else.

You can't say anything about gays, or else.

And so on.

That's special treatment and had laws created to specifically deal with them and their violaters.

What a load of crap. Their hypocrisy is absolutely nauseating...

How is confounding the problem going to lead to a solution?

 

[InToTheRain]

Seems like nothing more than a group of secular humanists have a problem with religion. Whats so offensive about it?

If some one finds something offensive who are you to try and enforce your opinion on them and tell them they are wrong in finding it offensive and you are right?

I will repeat what I said in another post:

[PIE]I remember during my work Induction, when talking about conduct towards colleagues, we discussed where to draw the line between socially acceptable and unacceptable behaviour. The answer was it varies for every individual, you may be able to say things that appear as a joke or jest to some and to others it is offensive and harmful. I myself at work or at home, many times made comments which I thought were justified and acceptable only to learn that the person listening did not see it in the same light therefore I apologise promptly as that was not my intention. I could have gone in the other direction, insisting I was right, but man that never leads to any constructive development in relationship with others. Similiarly the people in Denmark who have hurt the feelings of billions of Muslims is socially unacceptable whatever their intentions may have been and it is only natural for them to apologise.

Non-Muslims should bear in mind we are taught to Love and respect our prophet(Peace be upon them) to such an extent we do not associate lies with them or entertain ourselves or make jokes of them at their expense. You can say we are being shallow minded in comparison to other religious groups but that argument flies on both sides as we can say the ones offending us have little or no knowledge of what they were about. They are a mercy from Allah(SWT) upon mankind, and to make fun of them is to make fun of God. We Muslims loathe anyone who does this to any of our Prophets at the same time aknowledging they do nothing but spit at a fan.
I Urge all non-Muslims, regardless of what you think of the matter as it would be a kindness on your part and a sacrifice for the greater good, to stop encouraging such things as it does nothing but harm our relationship.
[/PIE]

It just frustrates me that these sites, so full of BS, get publicity- In an Islamic Forum No less LOL. Although I did enjoy Sister PurestAmbrosias and Snakelegs Posts :thumbs_up ;D

Meh, I've seen most of those hate-sites on facebook (and on the rest of the WWW), and if you've seen one, you've seen them all. Sad, pathetic, waste of time.

Move along, move along.

You know waddam Sayyeen :X

 

[Isambard]

Thats nice. The group if promoting secular humanism and saying what is an inherent to any non-muslim. (That Muhammed wasnt a prophet, that everything in said ideology is a myth etc.)

How is it offensive to expess ones views? It seems folks have a problem that non-muslims exist as opposed to anything about the group itself

 

[Skavau]

no it dosn't, not in the least. all i can say is, take a hike already.

Well I can see the extensive and detailed reason given there.

Why should this particular Anti-Islamic group not exist or why should Anti-Islam groups not exist at all?

I keep reading about how Islam & Muslims shouldn't get "special treatment," or be "appeased," or have laws "changed" for us, or "infringing on their freedom of speech," etc.

Yes.

Yet, you can't say anything about Jews, or you're labeled as an anti-Semite and you have your credibility destroyed.

Show me an example.

You can't say anything negative about African-Americans, or else.

Yes you can.

You can't say anything about women, or else.

Yes you can.

You can't say anything about gays, or else.

Yes you can.

I remember during my work Induction, when talking about conduct towards colleagues, we discussed where to draw the line between socially acceptable and unacceptable behaviour. The answer was it varies for every individual, you may be able to say things that appear as a joke or jest to some and to others it is offensive and harmful. I myself at work or at home, many times made comments which I thought were justified and acceptable only to learn that the person listening did not see it in the same light therefore I apologise promptly as that was not my intention. I could have gone in the other direction, insisting I was right, but man that never leads to any constructive development in relationship with others. Similiarly the people in Denmark who have hurt the feelings of billions of Muslims is socially unacceptable whatever their intentions may have been and it is only natural for them to apologise.

This is dangerous stuff. It leads to censorship based on fear of offense. If a person for example has a thoroughly negative view of Muhammad and wants to express such a view in either artwork or literature - he or she should be able to do so irrespective of the feelings of a particular group. Such is the freedom of expression that ought to exist.

Freedom of speech means immediately that some people are inevitably going to get offended or find fault. If you censor speech based on 'offense' then ultimately you lose a good amount of criticism on all things.

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

Well I can see the extensive and detailed reason given there.
Why should this particular Anti-Islamic group not exist or why should Anti-Islam groups not exist at all?

Because islam is the only true religion. short and sweet. anti-islamic groups or otherwise you cant wipe islam off the face of the earth.

 

[Isambard]

Well I can see the extensive and detailed reason given there.

Why should this particular Anti-Islamic group not exist or why should Anti-Islam groups not exist at all?

Because islam is the only true religion. short and sweet. anti-islamic groups or otherwise you cant wipe islam off the face of the earth.

How is the group "anti-Islamic"? It merely promotes secular humanism. That said, Ill say wait and see in terms of weather or not Islam gets wiped out. So many cultures and religions ahve claimed to be eternal and time made hypocrites of them all

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

How is the group "anti-Islamic"? It merely promotes secular humanism. That said, Ill say wait and see in terms of weather or not Islam gets wiped out. So many cultures and religions ahve claimed to be eternal and time made hypocrites of them all

yeah, we sure will. but what are you going to do if you miss the boat.

 

[Isambard]

yeah, we sure will. but what are you going to do if you miss the boat.

Well, to be honest, Ive given consideration to Islam being a true religion and what I would do if it were the case. After much deliberation I decided that even if I found out 2morrow Islam is true, I would curse God until I died, then curse some more while I sat in hell.

I have no option to opt out of eternity and enjoy oblivion, then why worship a being who seeks to torture me regardless of the my actions?