Anyone ever witnessed healing through prayer?

[***Umm-e-kulsum]

yeh sis Dua works all the time!!!!
i have a little book of prayers with DUA's for any miseries or troubles when im in any sort of pain the first thing i do i grab my book but Alhamdulillah it works everytime so it definetly works!!!!
also when my dad was really ill he was in hospital and i cudnt sleep with worry all i did was pray and agen alhamdulillah he was better within a week!!!
i think patience and prayer is all u can do at times of worry or troubles!!!

 

[AmarFaisal]

There might be reason in the quran, but if you believe in prayer healing then why go to the doctor at all? Why not jsut pray when you feel bad or someone else you know does? WHy not pray to have better eyesight rather than wear glasses?

Dear sister,

Whatever happens, good or bad , it is from Allah, and for a reason.

When I was going through my miscarriage, a lady gave me a du'a (prayer) to read to save my baby.I read it all the time for 3 days. However, I had a miscarriage. But I beleive that Allah had a reason for that and I trust my God and beleive that it was better for me. Alhamdulillah

When I was in labor, my mother gave me a du'a to make my pains less. I read that du'a morning, evenings, everytime I remmembered n in my pain. However, I did feel the pain as it is (though an epidural made it less later). But I beleive n my mother tells me to say Alhamdulillah, as it was safe.

The point is, we see only our side of the story. There is another side, which Allah knows best and we need to say "Alhamdulillah" in all our good times n bad.

"God helps those who help themselves"

We cannot just sit n say that if I feel hungry I will pray n Allah will send me food. We have to work for it. Similarly is "Shifa'a", or health

 

[Snowflake]

The point is, we see only our side of the story. There is another side, which Allah knows best and we need to say "Alhamdulillah" in all our good times n bad.

We cannot just sit n say that if I feel hungry I will pray n Allah will send me food. We have to work for it. Similarly is "Shifa'a", or health

awww mashaAllah, I agree with ya 100%

May Allah replace your loss with rewards and blessings inshaAllah. Ameen.

 

[ranma1/2]

Dear sister,

Whatever happens, good or bad , it is from Allah, and for a reason.

When I was going through my miscarriage, a lady gave me a du'a (prayer) to read to save my baby.I read it all the time for 3 days. However, I had a miscarriage. But I beleive that Allah had a reason for that and I trust my God and beleive that it was better for me. Alhamdulillah

When I was in labor, my mother gave me a du'a to make my pains less. I read that du'a morning, evenings, everytime I remmembered n in my pain. However, I did feel the pain as it is (though an epidural made it less later). But I beleive n my mother tells me to say Alhamdulillah, as it was safe.

The point is, we see only our side of the story. There is another side, which Allah knows best and we need to say "Alhamdulillah" in all our good times n bad.

"God helps those who help themselves"

We cannot just sit n say that if I feel hungry I will pray n Allah will send me food. We have to work for it. Similarly is "Shifa'a", or health

So why pray? If god has a reason to do what it does then do you think you can change gods mind? We shouldnt have to let god know when we need something, i would expect an all knowing being would know when we need something.

 

[NobleMuslimUK]

This is a tricky subject as the ones that really believe in prayer will get its benefits and only those people understand deep in their heart the power of prayer. Some famous atheist scholars claim its all down to the law of attraction and that the universe responds to our feelings and that all we need to do is concentrate on what we want and seek it and the universe will respond positively and if our mindframe is of impatient then the universe will respond negatively, also have patience and also show gratitude. Islam teaches pray only to Allah SWT, since only He can help and provide, Islam also teaches to have patience and show gratitude towards Allah SWT.

I can also vouch for this that prayers has many benefits, and thats prayers to Allah SWT, not other false man made up deities.

 

[islamirama]

So why pray? If god has a reason to do what it does then do you think you can change gods mind? We shouldnt have to let god know when we need something, i would expect an all knowing being would know when we need something.

Why cook, if reating raw stuff gives the same stuff to sustain you? Why buy so many clothes, when one pair is enough to cover you? why build a house when one day it will come back down? Why ask your parents for something as a kid when you know they will give it to you anyway?

Everything has a reason for it. Prayer is a way for the servant to connec to his Lord and communicate. Allah doesn't need us or anything, but it is rather we who are in need of him. Things are not always simple and straight. Allah loves that we return to him and repent when we sin, that we ask him when we are in need and turn to him for everything. Why pray if you are infertile? And yet thru prayers miracles like infertile couple having kids has happened.

There are two thinigs that come into play. Qadr (predestination) and free will. Somethings are already determined for you while others you have the free will to choose. Ex: the amount of sustance you will get in this life is predetermined, how you go about getting (steal or work hard) that is your free will.

God wouldn't ask you to pray and there would be no point praying if he didn't accept your prayers and give you what you want.

 

[ranma1/2]

..Prayer is a way for the servant to connec to his Lord and communicate.
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There are two thinigs that come into play. Qadr (predestination) and free will. Somethings are already determined for you while others you have the free will to choose. Ex: the amount of sustance you will get in this life is predetermined, how you go about getting (steal or work hard) that is your free will.

God wouldn't ask you to pray and there would be no point praying if he didn't accept your prayers and give you what you want.

The imporntatn part is if god is all knowing then there is no need for a lines of communitcation. God knows what you need. Also god decideds what you will get regardless of what you want. So by prayer are you trying to change gods mind?

 

[NobleMuslimUK]

The imporntatn part is if god is all knowing then there is no need for a lines of communitcation. God knows what you need. Also god decideds what you will get regardless of what you want. So by prayer are you trying to change gods mind?

Yes Allah almighty knows what we need and what we will ask for, but we dont. By asking Allah SWT for what we need is a sign of strong faith, because that way we understand only Allah can give and take, so we show we dont rely or ask from people when they themselves are dependant on Allah SWT.

 

[Dhulqarnaeen]

Christians always claim that their priests or preachers are able to cure or heal people by just touching and saying a simple prayer. I've also heard from a lot of christians how their family members got cured from serious diseases after spending a few nights praying. How about our religion, islam? Does anyone have any personal experience where someone with a serious disease got healed with help of prayer?

first we should know, syaithon will do everything to deviate muslim. And theyre genius. They will do everything till a muslim fall inyto sins and being with them in hell. Sometimes they work like this. First they appeared in some strange fringtening appearance, and they show their shape to someone who have weak iman and tauhid. And from this situation they want to deviate muslims, and so muslims afraid to them which is haram for us to afraid to syaithon, cause nothing we may afraid of except Allah azza wa jalla. Till something happen like in Indonesia. Some muslims worship grave, trees while they still say "Laa ilaaha Ilallah". Its because they believe syaithon can give manfaat.
Also this is happened with those Christians. Sometimes syaithon make one of the christian sick, and then this patient came to a preacher, and then this preacher pretending he curing them, and finally theyre cured. We should know, sometimes these preachers have somekinda appointment with jins (In Islam we cal them Kahin), and these jins is in his controls. So the appointment says like this "If the jin (who stay in the patients body) came to the preacher who own them, they have to run away". So when the jins go, this patient became health again. something like this happen, and from this the christian believe that theyre in the right religion. And it can affects muslim who have strong iman. Its the syaithons final target, so christian stay in their deviation and muslims can get influenced and murtad. You can read in kitab of Syaikh Wahid Abdussalam al Baly which talks about jin and how to cure sickness from their disturbance. And the other kitab of ulama salaf.

SO how about in Islam? Theres hadith that said theres some sahabah (companions of Rasulullah) cured someone who got stinged by scorpion just with read "Al Fatihah". And many happens to salih people they just read Quran to cure the sickness they have. Islam also have medicine that can cure all sickness. Like habbas saudah which Rasulullah said "In Habbas saudah theres a medicine for all sickness except death". Also in honey bee, zam-zam, hijamah. But the interesting point is those medicines included to "medicines", and only Quran Allah said in Quran it self as a "healer". Its interesting. But its true and happened to some ulama salaf too. Such Ibnul Qoyyim, in his kitab he ever explained that he only read Quran to heal his sickness, and he became healed. and also to some ulama such as Ibnul Mubarak, etc. Rahimakumullah.
and I ever had xplanation from my teacher who is taking Doctor in Fiqh in Madinah. He explained if we believe truely to Quran, then it can cure us from sickness and its often happen to sahabah. But to us, who doesnt have a believe as strong as them, its great if we combine Quran and medicine from sunnah and also "Du'a" " . And thats enough insha Allah.

 

[Trumble]

Some famous atheist scholars claim its all down to the law of attraction and that the universe responds to our feelings and that all we need to do is concentrate on what we want and seek it and the universe will respond positively and if our mindframe is of impatient then the universe will respond negatively, also have patience and also show gratitude.

Which 'famous atheist scholars' are these? The 'law of attraction' is popularist nonsense meant to part the gullible from the money needed to buy 'your dreams can come true without effort' books. Some people promote positive thought and attitude, which is obviously a good thing, and it does seem that if people believe they will get better, that is they have 'faith' in the healer, it may well help them. Nothing supernatural there though, many people have been helped to recover from supposedly terminal illness by having 'faith' only in themselves.

I can't find the quote, unfortunately, but I recall reading something from the Dalai Lama on faith healing. His comments were to the effect that in seventy yeras or so he had never come across a demonstrable incident of it. While many people go to him for healing, his usual response is that he can't but that if the person concerned does find a real faith healer could they let him know so he could see them about his skin condition! :statisfie

 

[Zman]

Christians always claim that their priests or preachers are able to cure or heal people by just touching and saying a simple prayer. I've also heard from a lot of christians how their family members got cured from serious diseases after spending a few nights praying. How about our religion, islam? Does anyone have any personal experience where someone with a serious disease got healed with help of prayer?

One of my mothers friends had Diabetes, and one day it inexplicably vanished. Her MD was very puzzled.

I heard of a man in my community who's cancer vanished also, without medical treatment...

 

[abu abdurrahman]

A lady my mother knows had severe burns over the whole of one of her arms. Skin would reform over it in pateches but they never came together to form a strong surface. Ihe individually growing patches of skin would always disintegrate before joining.

The sister then decided to recite the Qur'aan for shifa as well as doing du'aa to Allah... at her next appointment, as the bandages were taken off, the dermatologists couldnt believe the fact that most of her arm had grown back its skin and retained, without any changes in treatment.

 

[Opethian]

The very fact that people of almost every major religion claim to have had medical or other miracles occur to them by praying, should tell you something about the validity of these claims. Also, the fact that every day, people of your own religion, and of other religions, pray for miracles like this to occurn, without them getting answered, should tell you some more. I think it is nothing more than arrogance, false hope, and vanity, to think that a deity would answer your personal prayers, and let other people of different faiths, or maybe even the same, wallow in their suffering without answering their prayers. If someone's prayers are supposedly answered, was it because of something this person did, because this person is "better" than others? If it was, can you explain how and why, and if it wasn't, how does this 'prayer answering' differ from the results we would expect from naturalistic probabilities? One of the most funny examples is soccer players praying to their god before starting a match. How foolish to think a deity, if it would exist, would use his omnipotence to assist a mere human, among the millions of followers of this faith, to win a stupid game. If there are 2 followers of the same faith, one on each team, and they both pray, who should win? The concept of prayer is simply ridiculous and the natural result of the importance most humans attach to themselves, seeing themselves as something special among the rest.

 

[Abu yahya]

No offence but I think from an atheistic "logical" point of view you've completely missed the point.

You can not prove for sure whether or not an incident occured as a result of prayer or not: it's a matter of FAITH. If you believe it was as a result of your prayer, then there's no way anyone can prove you wrong. If you believe it wasn't and it was just the laws of probablility etc then nobody can prove you're wrong too.

Therefore the statement: "I think it is nothing more than arrogance, false hope, and vanity, to think that a deity would answer your personal prayers", is in reality arrogance by believing you're right and everyone else is wrong, false hope that you're right, when you know you cannot prove your position in reality, and vain...well do i really need to explain which part of the statement is vain?

"One of the most funny examples is soccer players ....to win a stupid game"

"The concept of prayer is simply ridiculous and the natural result of the importance most humans attach to themselves, seeing themselves as something special among the rest."

Maybe the stereotype that all atheists are stressed, stubborn, arrogant haters of life is true? This is why nobody bothers to talk with you people, learn some manners please. If you want to discuss whether healing through prayer is true, then give me some proof that prayers can't POSSIBLY have an affect on healing/anything else, instead of beating around the bush. And keep it civilised, i'm not gonna enter into a name calling contest,and the admin wouldn't allow it anyway.

I look forward to an interesting discussion. Sorry if I offended you or anybody else.

Peace

 

[ranma1/2]

The very fact that people of almost every major religion claim to have had medical or other miracles occur to them by praying, should tell you something about the validity of these claims.
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I think this is a very good point. If as many religions believe that their god is the god then why do other people claim to have miracles?

Also, the fact that every day, people of your own religion, and of other religions, pray for miracles like this to occurn, without them getting answered, should tell you some more.
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This pretty much goes into the point ealier of confirmation bias.

I think it is nothing more than arrogance, false hope, and vanity, to think that a deity would answer your personal prayers, and let other people of different faiths, or maybe even the same, wallow in their suffering without answering their prayers..

I disagree. Arrogance? No not in general since most people dont think about it that way. I just see the ilogic of prayer. If as many gods are deemed to be all knowing then there is no reason to pray to a god since it already knows what the problems are. Also they tend to justify when their prayers are not answered by saying its gods will. So this then brings up problems of why are they trying to change gods mind, its not like they are actually having any effect since god alread knows and its plan is not their plan and the best they can then hope for is that their hopes match gods plan.

If someone's prayers are supposedly answered, was it because of something this person did, because this person is "better" than others? If it was, can you explain how and why, and if it wasn't, how does this 'prayer answering' differ from the results we would expect from naturalistic probabilities?
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very good question and i would like other to answer this.

One of the most funny examples is soccer players praying to their god before starting a match. How foolish to think a deity, if it would exist, would use his omnipotence to assist a mere human, among the millions of followers of this faith, to win a stupid game. .

what do other theists think about this? Is it petty to get god to cheat for your team ?

The concept of prayer is simply ridiculous and the natural result of the importance most humans attach to themselves, seeing themselves as something special among the rest.

 

[ranma1/2]

No offence but I think from an atheistic "logical" point of view you've completely missed the point.

You can not prove for sure whether or not an incident occured as a result of prayer or not:

prove, no. but we can show evidence for what is likely. Likewise we can not prove that zues didnt do it either.

it's a matter of FAITH. If you believe it was as a result of your prayer, then there's no way anyone can prove you wrong. If you believe it wasn't and it was just the laws of probablility etc then nobody can prove you're wrong too.

Only for those that dont want to look at reality. Reality shows us that there is no evidence for magical healing. The evidence that is available shows a tendency for people to have confirmation bias among other things.
To date, no one has ever regrown a lost limb. Today people have had remissions of cancer, this happens and many times the doctors dont have clue why. This happens in christianity, islam, judism, bahai, buddhism, atheism, agnostism, among other belief systems.

If you want to discuss whether healing through prayer is true, then give me some proof that prayers can't POSSIBLY have an affect on healing/anything else, instead of beating around the bush. And keep it civilised, i'm not gonna enter into a name calling contest,and the admin wouldn't allow it anyway.

I look forward to an interesting discussion. Sorry if I offended you or anybody else.

Peace

Remember its not proof but evidence. and their is no evidednce that prayer invokes a supernatural power. There is evidence that prayer can have some psycological effects but thats a..

 

[poga]

Mr Barzakh Fitrath Ullah : I angered him so much with my spiteful swear
He was fuming in madness like a man on fire
His pulsation went high while his energy was low
For his live heart my swear word was the deadly blow

Mrs Be Aql Khan Usta : I calmed her so much with my peaceful prayer
My comforting words removed her dreadful fear
She came to her senses and told me a tale what defies all logic
She spoke of KAFFIRS who Say's the miraculous healing of Jesus was his articulous trick

 

[learningislam]

:salamext:

Anyone ever witnessed healing through prayer?

I did..........and i do believe in that.

btw anyone remember, we have a sister here at Li who was suffering from brain tumor......and the doc told her that she would die in few weeks.......And we all prayed for her.....and then Alhumdulillah.......her other post came up that her tumor size had reduced ............

:wasalamex

 

[Abu yahya]

prove, no. but we can show evidence for what is likely. Likewise we can not prove that zues didnt do it either.

Exactly my point, why call prayer ridiculous, stupid etc, as Opethian did, when you accept that there's a chance it could be true? And even if there was no chance, still dont you think you should respect others' beliefs? And the fact that you repeated one of Opethians' quotes regarding prayer being ridiculous to conclude one of your above posts shows that you agree with him, but don't you think this is illogical (because it could be true) and disrepectful?

Secondly, now that we've agreed upon the above point, this must mean that you also agree that it's a matter of personal faith, in which case the matter is settled: There's no definate answer, everyone must choose his/her belief and everyone else should respect that. Is this not the conclusion based on the premises we have agreed upon? Is it logical to disrespect someone else and say they're wrong and stupid, when you accept that they could be right?

Originally Posted by Abu yahya
it's a matter of FAITH. If you believe it was as a result of your prayer, then there's no way anyone can prove you wrong. If you believe it wasn't and it was just the laws of probablility etc then nobody can prove you're wrong too.

Only for those that dont want to look at reality. Reality shows us that there is no evidence for magical healing. The evidence that is available shows a tendency for people to have confirmation bias among other things.

There is no evidence for magical healing? I am surprised by your argument considering your affirmation of the first point I mentioned, for one could easily respond by saying "there's no evidence against magical healing"? This is the whole point, you cannot prove for or against, so why are you so certain of your position? I thought you already affirmed this in your first statement anyway?

The evidence available shows confirmation bias - To which evidence are you referring specifically, and what do you mean by "confirmation bias"?

To date, no one has ever regrown a lost limb. Today people have had remissions of cancer, this happens and many times the doctors dont have clue why. This happens in christianity, islam, judism, bahai, buddhism, atheism, agnostism, among other belief systems.

No, no one has regrown a lost limb as a result of prayer, but if they did then wouldn't the test be over? Everybody would accept that God existed and everybody would worship Him, there's be no point left in creating us? Why don't God just come down right now and everybody see him, that way everyone would believe in Him, there'd be no point left. This is the problem, in order for you to accept prayer you want PROOF, in order to reject it EVIDENCE is sufficient. And it's known that evidence can be provided for and against prayer, but proof cannot be provided for either, so as a result you demand proof for prayer, but only evidence against prayer, in order to uphold your position.

and their is no evidednce that prayer invokes a supernatural power. There is evidence that prayer can have some psycological effects but thats a..

Likewise there is no evidence that prayer doesn't invoke a supernatural power. If you're going to respond by saying that prayers aren't answered sometimes, then I say that prayers are answered sometimes, bringing us back to the same point, you cant prove for or against.

Regarding the psychological effects, that's interesting. Because it shows that prayer has some good effects even if God doesn't exist so why are atheists so sternly against people praying? From a logical point of view one SHOULD pray because it benefits, wouldn't you agree?(looking at prayer as an action in and of its ownself that is)

Remember its not proof but evidence.

And I've spoken about the two but just to summarise. There's no proof for or against, that you agreed to. You claimed that the evidence is against prayer being true, therefore the likelyhood is that it's not true. I showed that this is false, and in reality evidence against prayer is simply bias arguments, like saying there's no evidence prayer calls on the supernatural, even though the opposite could easily be used as evidence. And if you examine the arguments you can think of against prayer, you'll find they can be reversed into arguments for prayer, and in such a case the evidence is 50:50, so one has the right to choose.

And in reality I don't think this should be so much a discussion about evidence as it should be of opinion. Because if I bring you evidence for healing through prayer, as individuals in this thread have done , it can be interpreted in two ways: It is healing through prayer, or it isnt. Neither can be proven and as such the choice is on the individual.

I dont mean any offence with anything I said.

Peace

 

[ranma1/2]

Exactly my point, why call prayer ridiculous, stupid etc, as Opethian did,

While I may not call them stupid, although the mind is easily influenced even by placibo effects, i do see that people tend to ignore or justify why or why not prayers/wishes are "granted".

when you accept that there's a chance it could be true?

I dont accept that there is a likely chance that it is true based on the evidence.
There is a chance that this entire existence is actually the dream of a plastic bucket... there is a chance... but there is no evidence of this....

And even if there was no chance, still dont you think you should respect others' beliefs?

I have actually seen another debate about respecting another religion recently in another forum. Im curious what do you mean by this? I personally wont prevent you from your beliefs. But respect? Please explain what you mean specifically by this.

And the fact that you repeated one of Opethians' quotes regarding prayer being ridiculous to conclude one of your above posts shows that you agree with him, but don't you think this is illogical (because it could be true) and disrepectful?

Once again we could be the dream of a bucket... and please lets begin with what do you mean by respect and why should we respect a belief.

Secondly, now that we've agreed upon the above point, this must mean that you also agree that it's a matter of personal faith, in which case the matter is settled: There's no definate answer, everyone must choose his/her belief and everyone else should respect that. Is this not the conclusion based on the premises we have agreed upon? Is it logical to disrespect someone else and say they're wrong and stupid, when you accept that they could be right?

We havent agreed on the point above. And its also a matter of reality. So no this is not the conclusion we have agreed upon. I wont call you stupid in a insulting way but i will say that you are wrong. You also havent answered our questions about prayer.

Why do you think you can influence god?
Why does god not regrow limbs?
Why do you or others go to doctors when prayer works?
Why do other faiths have "healing through prayer"? Doesnt this contradict your own beliefs?

There is no evidence for magical healing? I am surprised by your argument considering your affirmation of the first point I mentioned, for one could easily respond by saying "there's no evidence against magical healing"?

IM sorry what point did i/we affirm?
We are looking at reality. In general when someone makes a positive claim evidence if needed. Noone has provided any evidence that there is any magic to prayers. We provide evience you dont.
Given the idea that your prayers work because your god exists seems to fail in light of that other religions claim the same thing and have just as many "miracles"

This is the whole point, you cannot prove for or against, so why are you so certain of your position? I thought you already affirmed this in your first statement anyway?

Prove no, as stated before. But we can show what is likely and what isnt. It is not likely that prayer has any magical powers. As a matter of the evidence it is extremely unlikely. Now if you would like to do a prayer experiement please sincerly pray for someone that has horrible vision and ask for there eyes to be healed. Lets see how long it takes someone to go from horrible near sighted to 20/20 vision.

The evidence available shows confirmation bias - To which evidence are you referring specifically, and what do you mean by "confirmation bias"?

People forget, ignore, or justify why the 1000s of prayers/wishes that they make that dont come true. They only tend to remember the ones that did.

No, no one has regrown a lost limb as a result of prayer, but if they did then wouldn't the test be over?

Most likely. god really should do this it would help its credibility. Of course which god would be the next question.

Everybody would accept that God existed and everybody would worship Him, there's be no point left in creating us? Why don't God just come down right now and everybody see him, that way everyone would believe in Him, there'd be no point left.
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Which god?
I doubt everyone would still worship god. The popular ones all seem pretty petty, selfish and arrogant.
There is pleanty of "point" to life. Did jesus, mohamd or noah have a point to their life after they knew god existed?

This is the problem, in order for you to accept prayer you want PROOF

no we want evidence.

, in order to reject it EVIDENCE is sufficient.

no we just want evidence for prayer working.

Likewise there is no evidence that prayer doesn't invoke a supernatural power.

There is no evidence of a supernatural power. There is no evidence that we are the dream of a pink flying picnik basket. There is no evidence that i am god. There is no evidence that prayer has any magical effect.
And with your line of thinking ..
there is no evidence that i am not god. There is no evidence that you are not a murderer. there is no evidence that we are not the dream of a pink picnic basket.

If you're going to respond by saying that prayers aren't answered sometimes, then I say that prayers are answered sometimes, bringing us back to the same point, you cant prove for or against.

Actually that brings us back to confirmation bias. And i would say prayers are never answered although on a rare ocasion people will delude themselves and think chance was a gods answer.

You still havent answered my question as to why you think you can influence god.

We are not trying to prove but show the likelyhood. And please answer our questions.

Regarding the psychological effects, that's interesting. Because it shows that prayer has some good effects even if God doesn't exist so why are atheists so sternly against people praying? From a logical point of view one SHOULD pray because it benefits, wouldn't you agree?(looking at prayer as an action in and of its ownself that is)

Im not against people praying, but i will call BS when people say it has magical effects. And logically we should all pray to the pink picnic basket for our wishes to become true.

And I've spoken about the two but just to summarise. There's no proof for or against, that you agreed to.

I will agree there is no proof of anything. period. So drop this concept and get back to a more clear discussion. Why do you seem to not comment on evidence? Is it because there is no evidence for prayer having magical powers?

You claimed that the evidence is against prayer being true, therefore the likelyhood is that it's not true. I showed that this is false...

No you havent. You have constantly used by argument though.

, and in reality evidence against prayer is simply bias arguments, like saying there's no evidence prayer calls on the supernatural, even though the opposite could easily be used as evidence.

We are not defending negatives. You should no the flaw in your logic.
We are saying that if prayer has a magical effect you should have evidence of this. There is none. However there is tons of evidence that healing has natural means. There is tons of evidence that healing has a natural explanation.

And if you examine the arguments you can think of against prayer, you'll find they can be reversed into arguments for prayer, and in such a case the evidence is 50:50, so one has the right to choose.

No the evidence is not 50:50. Although you always have the right to choose you can still choose wrong. There is evidence that "healing" occurs natually and no evidence that magic is envolved.

And in reality I don't think this should be so much a discussion about evidence as it should be of opinion.
Because if I bring you evidence for healing through prayer, as individuals in this thread have done , it can be interpreted in two ways: It is healing through prayer, or it isnt. Neither can be proven and as such the choice is on the individual.

Looking at this discussion scientifily it is about evidence. It seems you like to jump from proof to evidence selectivly. If we are trying to show if prayer works magically then we need evidence. And as stated before we are not concerned about proof but what is likely and what is supported.