Apes Copying Humans Does Not Constitue Evidence For Evolution!!!

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Haah,what a evolutionist try!:D

In the documentary, “Who is Aping Who?: Bringing up Baby” by the National Geographic TV, people and apes were once more brought together and compared: purpose being to prove evolution by basing it on behavioral similarities.

The purpose of this article is to expose the invalidity of the arguments in that documentary creating an impression as if evolution existed.

The inherent intelligence in animals, in particular apes have always awakened the curiosity in people. Their rational behavior is essential for their social lives. Birds find year after year their migration routes without fail, bees communicate the location of flowers in the beehive to one another by means of sophisticated mathematical language, and beavers construct solid dams of superior architectural design… (Please see Harun Yahya, For Men of Understanding, “The Signs in Living Things”, April 2003.) These and other examples in nature demonstrate to us that animals too have intelligence of a sort. This is the perspective from which to observe the chimpanzees and orangutans ability to solve simple problems and to respond appropriately. Animals do not acquire these abilities by learning them later on in life but begin to display them from birth. This observation proves that God, Who creates everything, conditions them to behave in this way.

Intellect and consciousness on the other hand are qualities of man who distinguishes good from evil by them. These are qualities of comprehension and judgment unfound in animals. Soul and intellect are the main attributes of man distinguishing him from the other living beings. No matter how long you train an animal it will never acquire the consciousness of the soul and the theory of evolution will never be able to explain how it could be that animals, devoid of soul and intellect, could have awareness.

To Teach Animals To Be Human

An orangutan’s training and its custodian’s views on the subject were aired. A pregnant orangutan was shown a video clip in which another orangutan was breastfeeding its baby and told to do the same when the time came. Surprisingly when it breastfed in the same way after giving birth, this was interpreted to be the success of the training it had received. By this, the viewer was told that wild animals were not devoted to their offspring but acquired this trait by training.

In reality, irrespective of how wild the animals may be, their devotion to their offspring is observable everywhere in nature. The continuation of their species is proof for this. Besides, it is possible to train animals up to a certain point. Dogs, horses and dolphins are examples of this but that they respond to training and domestication does not show that they think like humans.

The sciences of biochemistry, genetics, paleontology and some other branches of science prove that there is no evolutionary relationship between the species. The commentaries of some zoo custodians in the face of animals displaying similar behavior to humans cannot constitute a basis for the claims of evolution in spite of scientific data.

Copying Apes Cannot Humanize

Another trick resorted to in the program were scenes of an ape copying human behavior. An experiment conducted in 1930 had one human and one orangutan baby, each ten month old, brought up in the same environment and showed that they both played and ate in the same way. With this, it was tried to put into the sub-consciousness of people the idea that environmental factors can humanize an animal.
But it is a known fact that apes are copying animals. They can copy us as far as their physiology allows them, but it is simply stupid to expect them to humanize by their copying behavior. This training does not evolve them, because their genetic make-up will never change and it will never acquire abilities it can pass on to the next generation. As with all other species, the genetic make-up of apes is fixed and does not improve over time.

No matter how much ape behavior resembles human behavior the tale of them being related has been comprehensively disproved by scientific facts.

Failed Experiment Refutes The Evolution Of Speech

The said experiment, shown in the program, was noticeable for its driving the theory of evolution into the corner. The experiment was testing whether or not the chimpanzee baby raised in the proximity of people could develop speech like humans. But the experiment which aimed to demonstrate the evolutionary factor of the environment on the living being ended in a fiasco; the chimpanzee couldn’t produce sounds beyond its natural capacity. Later research revealed that the ape’s throat design was not suitable for speech, it was admitted.

In reality, the source of speech cannot be explained in any way by evolution. The ability of man to coordinate the larynx and tongue thus producing the sound of words and the logical order in which these words are brought together to form the syntax, have always awed linguists and philologists. The foremost philologists are agreed that speech is unique to man. The syntax is a mathematical miracle. Even though they could not provide an example of a “primitive” language, the evolution of speech is told as a story removed from being scientific.

Today’s linguists do not acknowledge the communication techniques between animals as language. Even though we can witness animals communicating with on another within their social environment, this is not comparable to the human language. For it to come within the definition of language it must have sentences formed by the syntax and the only being on earth that fits this definition is man.

Conclusion

As seen, the evolutionist are still pushing a claim dating back to the 19th century, which is nothing but the story of the environmental conditions causing species to evolve from one into another. In reality, there is no mechanism in nature that can alter the DNA according to the needs of the being. By its nature, the DNA is a sophisticated design; a miraculous molecule that enables the organism’s every life functions to work in perfect harmony and balance. It is impossible for this data coordination center to have been formed by coincidental mutations.

We wish for the National Geographic TV to abandon its one-sided and dated perspective of defending the evolutionary view and instead to provide society with unbiased information from the world of science.

The Source Of Rational Behavior In Animals

Source:http://www.darwinism-watch.com/index.php?git=makale&makale_id=1262:peace:
 
That article is such complete rubbish on so many levels I really don't know where to start.

Intellect and consciousness on the other hand are qualities of man who distinguishes good from evil by them. These are qualities of comprehension and judgment unfound in animals. Soul and intellect are the main attributes of man distinguishing him from the other living beings. No matter how long you train an animal it will never acquire the consciousness of the soul and the theory of evolution will never be able to explain how it could be that animals, devoid of soul and intellect, could have awareness.

These are really philosophical questions, not scientific ones. Every statement is debatable and, indeed, has been and is heavily debated. For example "soul" is supposed to be a distinguishing mark of man. What is a "soul"? Can you show me one? Has there ever been an experiment that shows such a thing exists? Who is supposed to have claimed that "training" an animal can create "conciousness of the soul"?

The sciences of biochemistry, genetics, paleontology and some other branches of science prove that there is no evolutionary relationship between the species.

Unsourced and complete rubbish.

No matter how much ape behavior resembles human behavior the tale of them being related has been comprehensively disproved by scientific facts

Unsourced and complete rubbish.

The experiment was testing whether or not the chimpanzee baby raised in the proximity of people could develop speech like humans. But the experiment which aimed to demonstrate the evolutionary factor of the environment on the living being ended in a fiasco; the chimpanzee couldn’t produce sounds beyond its natural capacity. Later research revealed that the ape’s throat design was not suitable for speech, it was admitted.

A deliberate distortion. Accepting that the ape's throat design was unsuitable for speech how on earth could it be expected to develop the ability to speak during the course of the experiment? Such changes take millions of years... but there is nothing there 'refuting' anything, let alone evolution or environmental factors involved.

In reality, the source of speech cannot be explained in any way by evolution.

Yes it can, sorry.

The ability of man to coordinate the larynx and tongue thus producing the sound of words and the logical order in which these words are brought together to form the syntax, have always awed linguists and philologists. The foremost philologists are agreed that speech is unique to man.

Yes, as far as we know. Would you like me to provide a list of other features that, as far as we know, evolved only in one species?

The syntax is a mathematical miracle.

Complex, yes. 'Miracle', no. The word has no meaning in the context of mathematics.. more rhetorical rubbish.

Even though they could not provide an example of a “primitive” language, the evolution of speech is told as a story removed from being scientific.

Told by who? Those who want to believe it?
 
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I think Trumble has done a decent job of pointing out the factual inaccuracy of the opening post. In any case, even where it not for the similarities between humans and our ape ancestors, there is still an overwhelming body of evidence that supports Darwinism.

Any post that attempts to refute evolution merely demonstrates how threatening the theory is to Islam (and any other religion based on the concept of a creator). Refutations usually come in two flavours:

1. Attacks on the theory itself, i.e. attempts to find holes in the theory (like the opening post in this thread).
2. Highjacking of the theory, i.e. Admitting that the theory exists but claiming that it is the work of God and all part of his creation, thereby sidestepping the need to explain it.

Attacks on the robustness of the theory are ill advised. Evolution by natural selection is accepted by scientists with the proper expertise as the best (and only) credible theory for how we, and all life, came to be. In my experience, Muslims who doubt the credibility of the theory either do not understand it or are afraid to immerse themselves in the study of it (for a variety of religious and social reasons).

For Muslims trying to reconcile the two conflicting ideas, highjacking the theory is perhaps a (marginally) better option. However, an acceptance of the theory relegates God to (at best) a mere observer in the process. Evolution proceeds quite happily without the need for intervention from the divine; we don’t explain a ball rolling down a hill by saying that gravity pulls it and God helps also – do we?

Why can’t Muslims actually read a few books on the theory – and not with a religious hat on – before posting silliness like the opener in this thread?
 
Dr. Trax, as stated before you dont qualify for the EEC membership card however you do qualigy for the EECNJ card.
 
its funny you darwin boys act like evolution is an absaloute fact that cant be disputed. WRONG it isnt so dont try fooling everyone into thinking hey! evolution is 100% true! are u mad! evolution is like the sun, an absaloute fact!

thats what they try to tell you like that fool richard dawkins......dont let them trick you into that.
 
its funny you darwin boys act like evolution is an absaloute fact that cant be disputed. WRONG it isnt so dont try fooling everyone into thinking hey! evolution is 100% true! are u mad! evolution is like the sun, an absaloute fact!

thats what they try to tell you like that fool richard dawkins......dont let them trick you into that.

Nothing like a rant and lack of evidence to change a man's opinion. You've opened my eyes to the truth!:okay:
 
Nothing like a rant and lack of evidence to change a man's opinion. You've opened my eyes to the truth!:okay:


i said evolution is NOT an absaloute fact which cannot be disputed and argues against as darwin boys claim. where did i say its false?

so i wasnt trying to change your opinion into believing in creationism, i repeat what i earlier said, evolution darwin theory etc etc is NOT an absaloute and un-disputed fact........
 
i said evolution is NOT an absaloute fact which cannot be disputed and argues against as darwin boys claim. where did i say its false?

so i wasnt trying to change your opinion into believing in creationism, i repeat what i earlier said, evolution darwin theory etc etc is NOT an absaloute and un-disputed fact........

Could you cite an example in which evolution was on pause and some outside force imposed design?
 
See this on ape intelligence. Scientists have even photographed them in the wild making and using spears. It starts halfway into chapter one.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/apegenius/program.html

Great apes also have passed-down culture now being studied.

This week on Nova they present winged dinosaurs. Had teeth and claws, not modern birds at all.

If the fossil record showed just a few dozen species that never changed, then evolutionary theory would be in doubt. But it's showing there were millions of species and scientists are still finding more every day. Not even our own offspring exactly resemble the parents, which makes not changing impossible, even when explained as being just recombination not mutation.

Evolution is proving to be "deterministic" in which the genome changes towards a trend, like more and more brain cells. Or in other words, in a study of giraffes it was found that their necks do not get shorter then longer with longer being more fit, the animal just has a neck that wants to get longer for some reason. And what a beast that Tasmanian Devil is! :D

Scientists have been presenting strong evidence for evolution. Have to at least see what the fossils show us when presented according to age. Here's a link to a time-machine for seeing how the planet looked at different periods in time based on fossils showing what lived then. Just click on a time period in the chart they have below that divides it into periods.

http://www.fossilmuseum.net/GeologicalTimeMachine.htm

A good question for discussion is how can a genome that is unable to make and maintain a perfect copy of itself even in identical twins (clones) forever sustain us?
 
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its funny you darwin boys act like evolution is an absaloute fact that cant be disputed. WRONG it isnt so dont try fooling everyone into thinking hey! evolution is 100% true! are u mad! evolution is like the sun, an absaloute fact!

Nope, nobody is acting like that or indeed trying to fool anybody. The accusation anybody thinks that evolution is "absolute fact which cannot be disputed" is probably the most common, and certainly the most tedious, strawman on these boards. It's just that to actually dispute evolution in scientific terms you need something rather more substantial than the waffle shown in the first post in this thread... you are mistaken as to who is attempting the 'fooling'. Purely faith based arguments, on the other hand, nobody has a problem with.
 
its funny you darwin boys act like evolution is an absaloute fact that cant be disputed. WRONG it isnt so dont try fooling everyone into thinking hey! evolution is 100% true! are u mad! evolution is like the sun, an absaloute fact!

thats what they try to tell you like that fool richard dawkins......dont let them trick you into that.
Did you get hit with the stupid stick?

Evolution is 100% true. We just don't have all the facts straight.

And we will never be 100% right. But that is better than your 0%
 
That article is such complete rubbish on so many levels I really don't know where to start.

For example "soul" is supposed to be a distinguishing mark of man. What is a "soul"? Can you show me one? Has there ever been an experiment that shows such a thing exists? Who is supposed to have claimed that "training" an animal can create "conciousness of the soul"?

The soul could not be explained in any way in terms of materialist claims. Darwinism, which produced countless fictitious tales regarding the imaginary evolution of species, remained silent in the face of the existence of the soul. Because the soul was not matter, it was a metaphysical concept. And metaphysics was something that materialists were completely unable to accept, because metaphysics did away with all the unconscious events, coincidences and random processes that they had deified. Metaphysics submitted evidence of a conscious creation, in other words, of the existence of Allah. That, in any case, was why materialists had been denying the existence of the soul ever since the days of Ancient Greece.

This struggle, which had persisted since Ancient Greece right up to the present, now became meaningless because there is an entity that makes a human being human, that lets you say, “This is me.” That, in other words, is your soul: It exists, and it belongs to Allah. Science definitively proved that the human soul observed all things as they were presented to it and that there could be no reference to any reality beyond these perceived images. To put it another way, it openly declared that the only absolute Entity was Allah.

This proof by science is of importance in convincing minds that deify materialist philosophy. In fact, though, all who possess reflection and intellect are aware that they possess a sublime soul. Anyone who can reason at all will understand that it is the soul that rejoices, thinks, decides, judges, experiences joy and excitement, loves, shows compassion, gets anxious, enjoys the taste of an apple, takes pleasure from listening to music, builds planes, raises skyscrapers and constructs laboratories in which it examines itself.

If human beings are possessed of souls, they cannot have been created haphazardly. There is a purpose behind their presence in this world. All people bear a soul that belongs to Allah and are being tested in this lifetime, after which they will be held responsible for all their thoughts and deeds. There is no randomness or aimlessness in life. There are no chance events, as Darwinists maintain. Everything has been created by the will of Allah to become part of the tests to which we are subjected. In this life, which will end in death, the only thing that will be left behind is the body. The soul, on the other hand, will live for all eternity in the Hereafter, which is its true abode.

These are great glad tidings for anyone who realizes he has a soul and is able to appreciate its Creator. Darwinists, however, will continue to refuse this reality with all their means and maintain that they do not possess a soul. They will continue to refuse to accept that they will one day enter the presence of Almighty Allah, Whose existence they denied throughout the course of their lives. They will continue to regard themselves as randomly formed collections of atoms and will keep on dismissing the miraculous human consciousness that has discovered DNA, investigated the structure of the atom and has been amazed by the innermost workings of the cell.

The human soul is a terrible dilemma for Darwin and the supporters who came after him. It is the basic evidence which they cannot explain, which they cannot refute and cannot resolve. Allah has vanquished them by providing proof, of a scientific kind that they cannot deny: the insubstantiality of matter. In the face of this, any objections to the soul’s existence they may come up with are invalid and meaningless.

In His verses in the Qur’an, Allah tells us:

Who could be further astray than those who call on other things besides Allah, which will not respond to them until the Day of Resurrection and which are unaware of their prayers? When mankind is gathered together, they will be their enemies and will reject their worship. (Surat al-Ahqaf, 5-6)

Darwinists and materialists need to realize that the only absolute Entity is Allah. Confronted by this truth, all hollow, empty deceptions and superstitious faiths fall into an insuperable quandary. Allah has enfolded all things with His Sublime Might. All things belong to Him and are under His control. Denying creation and the existence of the soul cannot alter these facts one iota.

This book considers one of the materialists’ biggest errors, the scientific evidence exposing this error, Darwinism’s dilemma in the face of this, and the certain existence of the soul. The world that the soul perceives is merely an illusion, a phantom and the sole absolute Entity Who rules the entire universe is Allah, Ruler and Lord of the Earth and sky. Henceforth, those with unclouded minds who understand this fact will look at the world from a different perspective and realize that Allah is their only savior. In order to attain salvation in the Hereafter, their true life, people need to behave in the light of that understanding.:coolious:

Inshallah I will reply for the other questions!:peace:
You are those who attack,not me.Show me where did you get your claim(unproved)
 
The soul could not be explained in any way in terms of materialist claims.
That is why there is nothing scientific about it.

A simple question for you evolution deniers.

75 million years ago there were dinosaurs but no elephants.

Today we have elephants, but no dinosaurs.

How can that be?
Does god just keep dropping by eliminating and adding species?
 
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That is why there is nothing scientific about it.

A simple question for you evolution deniers.

75 million years ago there were dinosaurs but no elephants.

Today we have elephants, but no dinosaurs.

How can that be?
Does god just keep dropping by eliminating and adding species?


There is scientific,but not materialistic:

Science definitively proved that the human soul observed all things as they were presented to it and that there could be no reference to any reality beyond these perceived images. To put it another way, it openly declared that the only absolute Entity was Allah.

This proof by science is of importance in convincing minds that deify materialist philosophy. In fact, though, all who possess reflection and intellect are aware that they possess a sublime soul. Anyone who can reason at all will understand that it is the soul that rejoices, thinks, decides, judges, experiences joy and excitement, loves, shows compassion, gets anxious, enjoys the taste of an apple, takes pleasure from listening to music, builds planes, raises skyscrapers and constructs laboratories in which it examines itself.

How can that be?
Does god just keep dropping by eliminating and adding species?

Yes,for him(Allah)everything is easy.He has created them and he will cause them to die,and create a new creation,such as Elephants!!!He is Supreme!!!:peace:
 
The soul could not be explained in any way in terms of materialist claims. Darwinism, which produced countless fictitious tales regarding the imaginary evolution of species, remained silent in the face of the existence of the soul. Because the soul was not matter, it was a metaphysical concept... <snip>

...The world that the soul perceives is merely an illusion, a phantom and the sole absolute Entity Who rules the entire universe is Allah, Ruler and Lord of the Earth and sky. Henceforth, those with unclouded minds who understand this fact will look at the world from a different perspective and realize that Allah is their only savior. In order to attain salvation in the Hereafter, their true life, people need to behave in the light of that understanding.:coolious:

Inshallah I will reply for the other questions!:peace:
You are those who attack,not me.Show me where did you get your claim(unproved)


I simply didn’t understand a word of this post. Instead of copying and pasting some babbling extract that sounds intellectual, why don’t you write your own response?
 
Yes,for him(Allah)everything is easy.He has created them and he will cause them to die,and create a new creation,such as Elephants!!!He is Supreme!!!:peace:

Brainwashed. Waste of time trying to argue sensibly and logically with this person.
 
There is scientific,but not materialistic:

Science definitively proved that the human soul observed all things as they were presented to it and that there could be no reference to any reality beyond these perceived images. To put it another way, it openly declared that the only absolute Entity was Allah.

This proof by science is of importance in convincing minds that deify materialist philosophy. In fact, though, all who possess reflection and intellect are aware that they possess a sublime soul. Anyone who can reason at all will understand that it is the soul that rejoices, thinks, decides, judges, experiences joy and excitement, loves, shows compassion, gets anxious, enjoys the taste of an apple, takes pleasure from listening to music, builds planes, raises skyscrapers and constructs laboratories in which it examines itself.



Yes,for him(Allah)everything is easy.He has created them and he will cause them to die,and create a new creation,such as Elephants!!!He is Supreme!!!:peace:

You need to open a new branch of science. :skeleton:

Or learn what science is about.
 
Brainwashed. Waste of time trying to argue sensibly and logically with this person.

Look, you are brainwashed!!!
Look at the mirror and you will see who you are....
Let it be your last streetword on the forum!ok?
If you do not understand,you are not capable to think!!!
Did I ever attack someone?Try with prove little brainy!
 

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