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Greetings,

What is the penalty for apostasy in Islam? Quran and Sahih Bukhari says the muslim the denies their religion should be killed. I talk to other online that say there is no punishment. Well, which on is it?

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Dy77778 said:
Greetings, What is the penalty for apostasy in Islam? Quran and Sahih Bukhari says the muslim the denies their religion should be killed. I talk to other online that say there is no punishment. Well, which on is it?Thanks,
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he will be killed if does not repent
 
And you believe that in 2017? That is totally asinine. There is something wrong with you and islam if you believe that. Why on earth would you kill an apostate? My only assumption that you are afraid this is not the truth. Why not let god do what he wills with this person. Quran says allah guides people to where they are going, let allah judge. I did consider Islam for some time, but after really reading the quran and hadith and actually reading posts on here I see islam is not this great religion of peace but a cult of violence, subjugation and death. I can never condone murder of another human being. How barbaric. I find it totally disgusting that people talk have such evil beliefs. I do not like lot of thing in this world but I would not kill because I disagree with them. You are a very pathetic person and I hope to god you reevaluate your life. You are in my prayers.
 
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And you believe that in 2017? That is totally asinine. There is something wrong with you and islam if you believe that. Why on earth would you kill an apostate? My only assumption that you are afraid this is not the truth. Why not let god do what he wills with this person. Quran says allah guides people to where they are going, let allah judge. I did consider Islam for some time, but after really reading the quran and hadith and actually reading posts on here I see islam is not this great religion of peace but a cult of violence, subjugation and death. I can never condone murder of another human being. How barbaric. I find it totally disgusting that people talk have such evil beliefs. I do not like lot of thing in this world but I would not kill because I disagree with them. You are a very pathetic person and I hope to god you reevaluate your life. You are in my prayers.
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so you think there should not be any punishment for apostasy...?
 
Dy77778 said:
And you believe that in 2017? That is totally asinine. There is something wrong with you and islam if you believe that. Why on earth would you kill an apostate? My only assumption that you are afraid this is not the truth. Why not let god do what he wills with this person. Quran says allah guides people to where they are going, let allah judge. I did consider Islam for some time, but after really reading the quran and hadith and actually reading posts on here I see islam is not this great religion of peace but a cult of violence, subjugation and death. I can never condone murder of another human being. How barbaric. I find it totally disgusting that people talk have such evil beliefs. I do not like lot of thing in this world but I would not kill because I disagree with them. You are a very pathetic person and I hope to god you reevaluate your life. You are in my prayers.
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I did reply to you before but the mods deleted the post.
 
azc said:
so you think there should not be any punishment for apostasy...?
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do you believe that Christians have a right to kill Muslims who convert to Islam from Christianity?
 
:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

Dear Brother @Dy77778:

I'm posting an academic paper that might answer your question as to the historical notion and contemporary understanding: Preserving the Freedom for Faith.

Thanks.

Best Wishes,
 
Zafran said:
do you believe that Christians have a right to kill Muslims who convert to Islam from Christianity?
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You must first understand that the whole world belongs to Allah SWT and that Islam is the only true religion.

[FONT=&quot]And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers. 3:85

[/FONT]Unquestionably, to Allah belongs whatever is in the heavens and earth. 24:64

And we dont want people to go to eternal hell, dont we?
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Search said:
:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

Dear Brother @Dy77778:

I'm posting an academic paper that might answer your question as to the historical notion and contemporary understanding: Preserving the Freedom for Faith.

Thanks.

Best Wishes,
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Jazakallah khairan sister. The paper that you shared, EXACTLY shares my view, while some make these matters so simplistic as if it is black and white. My comment has been moved, but this paper shares my believe that it has taken very general.

For all the people curious wanting to know this also, read that paper. Very informational and clears this even on the same path as what Islam stands for..ie peace. Truth is clear from falsehood, so if somebody really is honest, he will still stick with Islam. If somebody is dishonest without using logic, rationality and reason they will still follow their desires as they are not interrested in what is truth or falsehood. So even to Muslims that have made apostasy so black and white, go read that paper to understand it better as that fits the picture way better (no contradiction) than this black and white picture portrayed to us (contradicts). So never follow like a sheep, rather question things and if your heart and mind don't agree to it, then don't follow it
 
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Search said:
:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

Dear Brother @Dy77778:

I'm posting an academic paper that might answer your question as to the historical notion and contemporary understanding: Preserving the Freedom for Faith.

Thanks.

Best Wishes,
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You made me realise something fundamental.. (I think). It is that Shariah Law is not rigid, it is flexible. A person who is forced to steal (because of fear of death by poverty, etc.) is not to be punished. Because life is more important than wealth.

Laws change based on circumstances. Generally, a theif's hands is to be cut off, but in certain circumstances, you can not do that. Because if one dies by not stealing, then one has to steal, even if the victim losses wealth. Because life is more important than wealth.
So only the apostates who pose a risk to society, are to be executed?

JazakAllah khayr.
 
Serinity said:
(1)You made me realise something fundamental.. (I think). It is that Shariah Law is not rigid, it is flexible. A person who is forced to steal (because of fear of death by poverty, etc.) is not to be punished. Because life is more important than wealth.

Laws change based on circumstances. Generally, a theif's hands is to be cut off, but in certain circumstances, you can not do that. Because if one dies by not stealing, then one has to steal, even if the victim losses wealth. Because life is more important than wealth.
(2) So only the apostates who pose a risk to society, are to be executed?

JazakAllah khayr.
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(1), well this is the problem. You i believe are still young like me, however can you imagine that there are those old men, that still have not grasp this concept of Islam. That ALMOST everything in Islam is SUPER flexible. Why do you think we can eat pork if our life depended on? In Islam choices are being weight which is more evil. So if one MUST choose, then always the lesser evil. In this case eating pork is of lesser evil, than death. Look even to prayer, if you are not able to pray on time you can take zhur and asr together. How big of a chance would it be that you cannot be free within the time of those. Even IF one time in your lifetime would happen, then you can still pray it later on. Even when you are asked about your prayer Day of Judgement and the obligatory prayers have not been fulfilled Allah will say look for the voluntary prayers to fill up the obligatory prayers. Sub'han'Allah..the more i talk about these things is as if i hear it for the first time and all again fall in love with Islam.

(2) Well risk in a good definition, aka traitor working for the enemy fighting the Muslims. So again, it isn't really apostasy, but rather treason and NOTHING to do with leaving the religion. To take myself as an example. I sub'han'Allah even as an atheist, when other people would belittle Islam or Muslim, i somehow defended Islam and Muslim, while not really knowing or understanding anything about it.. o_O!!. Why? I have no clue why i did that. All i can conclude pondering often about it is, mercy of Allah. The person who has come to know and understand Islam, i would argue that no person who keeps on practicing and further more gains Islamic knowledge and philosophy behind it, there is NO way one would voluntary leave it. I left it because i would argue i have NEVER known or understood Islam. Culture has messed up Islam very good. To this day if i would talk to family members they are SOOO HARSH or take things TOO lightly. So it is rather kind of strange. The serious things, they take it very lightly..(prayer as if it is a race..wudu as if it is a race, gossiping, not forgiving people, greed, jealousy, zakaat etc.)..however when it comes to having questions about Islam and the wisdom behind it..they make it as if it is haram to question things in the sense of wanting to know. So if you ask something why is this X and not Y, they say..DON'T ASK..HARAM TO ASK!!..:raging::raging::raging: While Islam is absolutely NOT afraid of questions and has very logical, rational and reasonable answers to every question there is.
 
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like all things.

...it depends on who you turn up infront of lol.

by the one in whos hands my life is in.

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..honestly if you turned up infront of me id pray that even your children were born perfect.

...no money in it though.

couldnt sell icecream to the arabs lol.
 
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JazakAllah khayr, I have 1 question:

1) Islam protects 3 things (afaik): Life, wealth, progeny, and religion,afaik. (probably more)

Life is more important than wealth? yes.
Is life more important than religion? AFAIK. Islam is most important, but even then, in the Qur'aan we know that we can eat pork, although haram in Islam, if we are starving, and pork is the only meat nearby??

So in this scenario, while Islam is very important, Allah :swt: in the Qur'aan prohibited pork except in cases of [extreme] necessity (i.e. fear of death or one is starving)

So it seems that Islam values life, and it is VERY sacred. So is it correct to say that life is more important than religion, OR is this a contrived question??

Because, in one circumstance, one has to sacrifice one's life (i.e. Jihad) to preserve religion (Islam), right?

So it isn't as black and white, right??

Allahu alam.
 
lol your right, i know an asian guy at the wholesalers market..

he owns a cafe and has to sell bacon sandwiches because most of the workers are non muslim.

i used to get cheese grills and coffee from him.
 
Serinity said:
JazakAllah khayr, I have 1 question:

1) Islam protects 3 things (afaik): Life, wealth, progeny, and religion,afaik. (probably more)

Life is more important than wealth? yes.
Is life more important than religion? AFAIK. Islam is most important, but even then, in the Qur'aan we know that we can eat pork, although haram in Islam, if we are starving, and pork is the only meat nearby??

So in this scenario, while Islam is very important, Allah :swt: in the Qur'aan prohibited pork except in cases of [extreme] necessity (i.e. fear of death or one is starving)

So it seems that Islam values life, and it is VERY sacred. So is it correct to say that life is more important than religion, OR is this a contrived question??

Because, in one circumstance, one has to sacrifice one's life (i.e. Jihad) to preserve religion (Islam), right?

So it isn't as black and white, right??

Allahu alam.
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Indeed it isn't black and white. It is all intertwined, one is not without the other and the other is not without the first. The soul purpose of our creation is to worship Allah. So life without purpose aka religion in this case Islam is meaningless. It's like waiting for something couple of hours...but it never comes..so you have waiting for nothing so to say.

This is the same with life and religion in this case Islam. Islam, is to test us, but our purpose is to worship Him.

Also life without justice is also meaningless. So giving up life to preserve life with justice, has more value. IN other words, life with corruption is also meaningless although the element of Islam might exist. However Islam is 100% not 50% or even 99%. However to pursue the 100%, one can sign a treaty to preserve life in general..aka look at the treaty of hudaibiya. Much injustice was writing in that treaty towards the Muslims, but Allah for sure will change situations for the better as we all know what happened after that. Many small groups joined the Muslims in the time of peace treaty between the Muslims and the mushrikeen of Mecca.

I am ashamed of this comment of mine, because it falls way to short and does injustice how deep Islam goes.
 
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