Apostate In Malaysia

[din_gen]

Hi All,
I'm really really sad to said about this thing as it represent a bad reputation for my country, Malaysia as one of the Islamic country in this world. But for the sake of truth and letting you all know about this situation, i tell you the story about the hot case regarding the apostate issues in Malaysia.

Actually, there a lot, but let me story about the very hot one. This case, i'm not sure either still pending or not in the court. This is not a conspiracy, it's a real story that really need your attention as the numbers of Muslim that convert into other faith is getting bigger.

The apostate person named Azlina binti Jelani. She wants to convert into christian after fell in love with an indian guy named, Johnson. The story getting hotter after she wants the National Registry Department to change her name to Azlina Lelani but her request was rejected due to the reason, the National Registry Department not get any approval from National Islamic Division.

Then, after several years, she came back to the National Registry Department to change her name to Azlina Joy. Her request accepted, but the title of Islam, still exist in her i.c religion name. For your information, during that time, she already convert into christian.

After several years, she came back to the National Registry Department and want the title of Islam in her identity card (i.c) to be remove and change with the christian. The National registry Dept. rejected her request and this really make her mad.

She drag this case to the Civil court and all her supporters are came from the variety of society and individual from inside and outside Malaysia, include from U.S.A, Australia and etc. That's really give a big slap to Malaysian Syari'ah court which is it seems it now have no power to the civil court. You can see the Constitution of Malaysia by click to the this link. See the article 11 and you'll see constitution that makes the Syari'ah law will loose it responsibilities.

Until today, i still not get the result of this hot issue. But for me, it really give a big impact to the Malaysian citizen, especially the Muslim if she win this case.

 

[Mawaddah]

I know, the apostasy rate in Malaysia is terrible. Subhanallah. I'm wondering though, is this Azlina Joy the same lady who spoke in the States about how she accepted Jesus as her saviour etc etc. ? :? I recall reading about it some time back but I can't remember right now......

What are the Sisters in Islam organization in Malaysia saying about this? Not that I really care what their opinion about anything is, but it's always interesting to see what other foolhardy opinions they throw into situations like this.

 

[din_gen]

Sisters in Islam? Hmmm, they all are fool. They support Lina Joy! What a shame of Islam that they have done... I've once visit Sister in Islam (SiS) website and you want to know what really makes me mad?

A visitor asking a question in the Q&A site, she asking about the possiblities married a person in different religion. you want to know what's the answer. SiS told her that it is allowed in Islam to married a guy that their faith is followed the previously al-kitab like Injil, Taurat and Zabur. They can married with this type of people without converting into any religion, meanwhile, the brideroom still can remain his religion. Astaghfirullah....

Besides, they said, women can't married with the people that their faith is not followed the previous al-kitab such as buddha, hindu and etc, unless they all convert in to Islam..

I thought, SiS is not suitable to use Islam as their society name, maybe they should be call "Sisters in SESAT".. hehehe

 

[Mawaddah]

^ S.I.I. Support this Joy!! Now why am I not surprised? It was exactly the kind of reply I thought that these Jaahil women would give. Astaghfirullah. And so what would Dr.Masyitah say also? I'm still remembering her crazy words that "pelacuran dibenarkan dalam Islam kalau terdesak " Prostitution is allowed if one is in a desperate situation.....

I'm remembering the hadeeth in which Rasulullah said "....... And the people will take Jaahil Leaders, and these jaahil leaders will give Fatwa without knowledge, and They will lead people astray...."

 

[Geronimo]

Sisters in Islam? Hmmm, they all are fool. They support Lina Joy! What a shame of Islam that they have done... I've once visit Sister in Islam (SiS) website and you want to know what really makes me mad?

A visitor asking a question in the Q&A site, she asking about the possiblities married a person in different religion. you want to know what's the answer. SiS told her that it is allowed in Islam to married a guy that their faith is followed the previously al-kitab like Injil, Taurat and Zabur. They can married with this type of people without converting into any religion, meanwhile, the brideroom still can remain his religion. Astaghfirullah....

Besides, they said, women can't married with the people that their faith is not followed the previous al-kitab such as buddha, hindu and etc, unless they all convert in to Islam..

I thought, SiS is not suitable to use Islam as their society name, maybe they should be call "Sisters in SESAT".. hehehe

She converted and want her info changed no problem. If someone converted to Islam here in the US should we refuse to recognize it?

 

[din_gen]

She converted and want her info changed no problem. If someone converted to Islam here in the US should we refuse to recognize it?

Yes you right! It is due to the constitution of the country. No matter what country are you in, you have to follow the law and orders, isn't it? But as you, these constitution were made by people and it may have errors that we can't miss. The law that is truly must be follow in Islam is the law in Islam itself. Which is, once you have get into Islam, do not reconvert to another faith as Islam is the most pure and truth religion.

 

[Geronimo]

Yes you right! It is due to the constitution of the country. No matter what country are you in, you have to follow the law and orders, isn't it? But as you, these constitution were made by people and it may have errors that we can't miss. The law that is truly must be follow in Islam is the law in Islam itself. Which is, once you have get into Islam, do not reconvert to another faith as Islam is the most pure and truth religion.

Since when did Malaysia start following Sharia by the book? You either do it all or none. You can't pick and choice. If other things against Islam allow why not conversion?

 

[din_gen]

Since when did Malaysia start following Sharia by the book? You either do it all or none. You can't pick and choice. If other things against Islam allow why not conversion?

Since when you know about Malaysia? What you know about Malaysia?

 

[Geronimo]

Since when you know about Malaysia? What you know about Malaysia?

That's besides the point. Am I right or am I wrong about Malaysia not fully implementing Sharia?

 

[din_gen]

That's besides the point. Am I right or am I wrong about Malaysia not fully implementing Sharia?

That's why i asked you that question. Malaysia fully implement Syari'ah without handling the Hudud penalization due to there a lot of races in different religion be the Malaysian citizen. My neighbour is a buddist and the other side is catholisme. We live harmony and tolerant discussing about some problem that related to the neighbourhood.

 

[Geronimo]

That's why i asked you that question. Malaysia fully implement Syari'ah without handling the Hudud penalization due to there a lot of races in different religion be the Malaysian citizen. My neighbour is a buddist and the other side is catholisme. We live harmony and tolerant discussing about some problem that related to the neighbourhood.

Are you sure about that? I thought there was no country that fully implement Shariah? If I'm wrong let me know and I'll look up the contradictions.

 

[Zulkiflim]

Sisters in Islam? Hmmm, they all are fool. They support Lina Joy! What a shame of Islam that they have done... I've once visit Sister in Islam (SiS) website and you want to know what really makes me mad?

A visitor asking a question in the Q&A site, she asking about the possiblities married a person in different religion. you want to know what's the answer. SiS told her that it is allowed in Islam to married a guy that their faith is followed the previously al-kitab like Injil, Taurat and Zabur. They can married with this type of people without converting into any religion, meanwhile, the brideroom still can remain his religion. Astaghfirullah....

Besides, they said, women can't married with the people that their faith is not followed the previous al-kitab such as buddha, hindu and etc, unless they all convert in to Islam..

I thought, SiS is not suitable to use Islam as their society name, maybe they should be call "Sisters in SESAT".. hehehe

Salaa,

cna yu post the link for that question and asnwer?For i doubt very much that they said it lke you mentioned.

thanks..

 

[din_gen]

Are you sure about that? I thought there was no country that fully implement Shariah? If I'm wrong let me know and I'll look up the contradictions.

Want to know why most of the country no fully implement syari'ah? because the conventional law that created by human was fully controlled the world. Can we call it capitalisme? So, the islam country were force to follow the law. If not, they will be blame by the reason of "human right violation". They will fully implemment syari'ah in the certain areas of law that will not affected the worlds human law.

And as you know, the human law is made by human. it still have have errors. If not, how can Michael mansfield be the most wanted lawyer for all criminals. Just imagine, how can a Super Drug Dealer being release from sentence just because the facts and talked given by lawyer michael Mansfield. Did being a Drug Dealer is accepted in Law? If can, everybody also want to be a super drug dealer.

 

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,

For the woman she should have been counseled,her love for the man has blocked her senses?

This has happeend to my niece in SG,she siad she is converting to Chrsitianity and we asked her,what do you know about Chrsitianty..
She said it is love unlike Islam.

and so we asked her,what do you know of Islam,,and she said what she gathered from the media of course,that we are terrorist and women are forced to cover themselves and what not...

And so asked her,in christianity doctorination of Love,,,,is there any limit to what you cna or cannot do?

She was perplexed,,she thought the word Love encomapasses all.

So we asked her,in the faith she is following,is there any laws that she cannot do?

and so she asked and carefully looked around went to her boyfriend church and asked why do the nuns wear the Habit?

And the reply was simple,,casue it is INNOCENT...

The next question she asked,do god love them more or me..
The Boyfriend kept quite.

Next she asked,i pray only on sun...they pray everyday,do god love them or me.

The boyfriend said It is equal..

So here she is boozing and having wild lifetime with her boyfriend and STILL THINK that god loves her as equal to monks and nuns who give up all for god..

She was shocked and found this extremely shocking..
Alhamdullah....now she wears the Hijab and is fuflilling her role as a muslimah..
Alhamdulilah...

 

[Trumble]

She converted and want her info changed no problem. If someone converted to Islam here in the US should we refuse to recognize it?

Hear, hear! I smell hypocrisy, I'm afraid.

Good luck to her.

 

[Geronimo]

Salaam,

For the woman she should have been counseled,her love for the man has blocked her senses?

This has happeend to my niece in SG,she siad she is converting to Chrsitianity and we asked her,what do you know about Chrsitianty..
She said it is love unlike Islam.

and so we asked her,what do you know of Islam,,and she said what she gathered from the media of course,that we are terrorist and women are forced to cover themselves and what not...

And so asked her,in christianity doctorination of Love,,,,is there any limit to what you cna or cannot do?

She was perplexed,,she thought the word Love encomapasses all.

So we asked her,in the faith she is following,is there any laws that she cannot do?

and so she asked and carefully looked around went to her boyfriend church and asked why do the nuns wear the Habit?

And the reply was simple,,casue it is INNOCENT...

The next question she asked,do god love them more or me..
The Boyfriend kept quite.

Next she asked,i pray only on sun...they pray everyday,do god love them or me.

The boyfriend said It is equal..

So here she is boozing and having wild lifetime with her boyfriend and STILL THINK that god loves her as equal to monks and nuns who give up all for god..

She was shocked and found this extremely shocking..
Alhamdullah....now she wears the Hijab and is fuflilling her role as a muslimah..
Alhamdulilah...

So in other words you filled her head with nonsense to keep her from converting. Nice

 

[Joe98]

She said it is love unlike Islam.

And so asked her, in Christianity doctrine of Love,,,,is there any limit to what you can or cannot do?

She was perplexed,,she thought the word Love encompasses all.

Yes, Love covers everything.

Love is the doctrine of Atheists too!

So we asked her, in the faith she is following, is there any laws that she cannot do?

The doctrine of Love covers every situation.

So here she is boozing and having wild lifetime with her boyfriend and STILL THINK that god loves her as equal to monks and nuns who give up all for god.

According to the Christian belief, God loves everyone equally. He doesn’t love one person more than another.

Perhaps a Muslim can tell us about the Muslim belief in the matter of God’s love.

 

[starfortress]

Yes, Love covers everything.

Love is the doctrine of Atheists too!




The doctrine of Love covers every situation.





According to the Christian belief, God loves everyone equally. He doesn’t love one person more than another.

Perhaps a Muslim can tell us about the Muslim belief in the matter of God’s love.

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
"In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful"

Muslim beleif of God love are different compared to the human type of love(stereotype love).God love is more than we could imagine,of course He is the creator of the universe.

Everyone wants to be with those who they love,someone you can trust and rely on it.And naturally you will share something beautiful with your couple or partner also a friend.Thats only a little bit reflection from Divine love.

This is why Paradise, which Allah promises to those faithful servants He loves and with whom He is pleased, is an extraordinarily beautiful place where true love, friendship, and closeness are lived with great happiness.

According to the Christian belief, God loves everyone equally. He doesn’t love one person more than another.

For Islam God does not love the Negative as mentioned in Holy Quran 22 times.One of God qulity is Al-Hakkam(The Judge, the Arbitrator )

1. God does not love the Those involved in brutal aggression. 2:190/5:90/7:55
2. God does not love the the corrupt. 2:205/5:67/28:77
3. God loves not the the unbelievers. 2:276/3:32/30:45
4. God loves not the the wrongdoers. 3:57/3:140/42:40
5. God loves not the the wasters. 6:141/7:31
6. God loves not the boaster. 31:18/57:23/4:36
7. God loves not the proud and boasting. 16:23
8. God loves not those who boast in their riches. 28:76
9. God loves not the treacherous. 8:58
10. God does not love those who are given to crime and to evil speaking. 4:107/4:148

God's love for Man 20 times mentioned in Holy Quran

1. God loves those who do good. 2:195/3:134/3:148/5:14/5:96
2. God loves the pure and clean. 2:222/9:108
3. God loves those who are righteous. 3:76/9:4/9:7/19:96
4. God loves those who are just and judge rightly. 5:45/49:9/60:8
5. God loves those who trust Him. 3:159
6. God loves the persevering or patient. 3:146
7. God loves those who love Him and follow the Prophet. 3:31
8. God Himself will produce a people He will love. 5:57
9. God loved Moses. 20:39
10. God loves those who fight in His cause. 6:14

The 99 names of god are be taken as attributes the quality of Allah.So the doctrine of tawhid or the oneness of God is equal to all in universe not a stereotype love.

The doctrine of Love covers every situation.

Every situation?

 

[north_malaysian]

I'm watching this thread.....:uuh:

 

[Joe98]

Every situation?

Yes. Follow the doctrine of love and the world would be a better place.