Arab Woman Dares To Speak Truth!!!!

[ricardo_sousa]

I haven't watched the video yet (it's still loading, hate my slow internet!!), but the description at the right is utter bull----. If the video is just describing the same thing, then it probably is too.

yes, lol, the title of the movie is a bit "sensationalist", but it movie itself is not. Is very balanced and well discussed.

 

[- Qatada -]

I haven't watched the video yet (it's still loading, hate my slow internet!!), but the description at the right is utter bull----. If the video is just describing the same thing, then it probably is too.

:salamext:


I would proper urge you to watch the males part, subhan Allah it's just amazing! All of what he said is so true and deep.

 

[crayon]

I'll address the points the lady in the second video brought forth one by one.

1-"Women are being oppressed in sharia courts". There are no sharia courts that correctly implement the sharia today, not even Saudi Arabia. It's their culture and beliefs packaged with the label of "sharia". Therefore, women are being oppressed by their corrupt government, not sharia.

2-"Mut'ah marriage is allowed" No, it is not. Only shiaa practice this, by people who follow the sunna it is completely forbidden.

3-"Having sex with an infant is allowed" Um, are you freaking kidding me? First of all, you can't have sex outside of marriage. In islam, you can't marry (and by marry I mean consumate the marriage, ie have sexual intercourse with) someone who has not reached puberty, and you can not marry someone without their consent. A two year old has neither reached puberty, nor can she give consent. (oh,as for "those who never had menses", it's like how the prophet married Aisha when she was 6, and consumated the marriage when she reached her menses at 9. You can not have sex with someone who has not reached puberty. If the prophet (pbuh) had wanted to divorce Aisha before she had reached her menses ie BEFORE he had sex with her, her waiting period would have been 3 months.)

4-"The woman is a prisoner in her home, can't study, has to look after the kids, etc." Again, are you kidding me? CULTURE with the label of islam. Woman are required to seek knowledge, she is perfectly capable of going to school and university. In islam she is obviously allowed to go out of her house and do whatever she wants (as long as it's not haram of course). She even says it herself "These are women whose families are extremist". Yeah, because that's exactly what islam preaches, being extreme. Islam teaches moderation, if people want to twist it around, that's their problem, not islam's. "They force them to marry against their will". Again, if the husband and wife do not give their consent to the marriage, it is NOT A VALID MARRIAGE.

Just to add, I found this woman 1000 times more respectable than wafa sultan.

 

[crayon]

:salamext:


I would proper urge you to watch the males part, subhan Allah it's just amazing! All of what he said is so true and deep.

Salam brother.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean, exactly..?

 

[- Qatada -]

Salam brother.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean, exactly..?

:wasalamex


I just meant watch the shaykhs part insha Allah. It's really interesting.

 

[crayon]

Oooh, you're talking about the first video, right?
I did, they're very interesting.

I was referring to another video that ricardo_sousa posted, though.

Salam. :]

 

[The_Prince]

If you like to crush something, crush peanuts. It calm down your nerfs. Tell me when you are finished blowing up your chest like a rooster. I love this kind of kiddie-tantruming. Nothing to contribute in threads exept trolling around.

You badly need a life

lol your so funny, no responses yet again.

i have a very nice life thank you very much. :thumbs_up

 

[Amadeus85]

I'll address the points the lady in the second video brought forth one by one.

1-"Women are being oppressed in sharia courts". There are no sharia courts that correctly implement the sharia today, not even Saudi Arabia. It's their culture and beliefs packaged with the label of "sharia". Therefore, women are being oppressed by their corrupt government, not sharia.

2-"Mut'ah marriage is allowed" No, it is not. Only shiaa practice this, by people who follow the sunna it is completely forbidden.

3-"Having sex with an infant is allowed" Um, are you freaking kidding me? First of all, you can't have sex outside of marriage. In islam, you can't marry (and by marry I mean consumate the marriage, ie have sexual intercourse with) someone who has not reached puberty, and you can not marry someone without their consent. A two year old has neither reached puberty, nor can she give consent. (oh,as for "those who never had menses", it's like how the prophet married Aisha when she was 6, and consumated the marriage when she reached her menses at 9. You can not have sex with someone who has not reached puberty. If the prophet (pbuh) had wanted to divorce Aisha before she had reached her menses ie BEFORE he had sex with her, her waiting period would have been 3 months.)

4-"The woman is a prisoner in her home, can't study, has to look after the kids, etc." Again, are you kidding me? CULTURE with the label of islam. Woman are required to seek knowledge, she is perfectly capable of going to school and university. In islam she is obviously allowed to go out of her house and do whatever she wants (as long as it's not haram of course). She even says it herself "These are women whose families are extremist". Yeah, because that's exactly what islam preaches, being extreme. Islam teaches moderation, if people want to twist it around, that's their problem, not islam's. "They force them to marry against their will". Again, if the husband and wife do not give their consent to the marriage, it is NOT A VALID MARRIAGE.

Just to add, I found this woman 1000 times more respectable than wafa sultan.

That is quite true actually.In muslim world girls make up often majority of students.Things are changing.

 

[Jayda]

Hello,

an arab woman has the guts to speak out, what many other people think in silence. May she find some open ears.
The message I like most is 'Accept other for their different faith' .
So far, peace to all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-lGJNB7DTo​

hola guyabano,

i have seen her many times on the internet... usually from christians or other non muslims who hate islam...

i think it's important to remember that while she does have some excellent points, they are really a refutation of her culture rather than (as she believes) her religion. i know a lot of muslims seem to believe that what happens in arab states is a kind of hybrid between islam and prestanding cultural eccentricities that have developed over the centuries and have been taken for granted as orthodoxy, my friend wrote an interesting article on a useful analagous concept (that i think he used for his friday khutbah).

i'm certain that many people, when they present this video, are perfectly aware that much of what she is angry with is culture and not religion... but the implication when this is posted, is that it is a refutation of islam. that's not terribly fair and i think it's academically dishonest...

all the same... i do feel one of her most interesting arguments was about islam dividing and categorizing people... kaffir and believer, etc. that was one of the most disturbing things that jumped out at me when i read the quran. muslims are not usually interested in discussing negative opinions of islam... i've not had the time to ask any of my questions, but all the same i do tend to think that they would be regarded as attacks rather than questions. the presenter (i can't remember her name... it begins with S i think) also seems aware of muslims sensitivity over the topic... which is why it is surprising to me that she choose to rant instead of present her points or questions in a more appropriate manner... that does not seem like the conduct of an academic, or a person genuinely interested in just 'flushing out the issues,' rather it is the conduct of somebody who has an agenda...

que Dios te bendiga

 

[chacha_jalebi]

this thread has become more boring then watching paint dry . .

and it has gone severely off topic!!

also both sides of the argument are in there

no more info needed :threadclo