Arabic Q & A

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Whatsthepoint said:
What about this one?
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Now, arabic, isn't it?
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Pretty similar to that one.

Abu Musab said:
Well listen to this short sound file and tell me what you think,

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Wow Masha Allah never heard it before.
 
Abu Musab said:
here's it,


It's Imam Faisal, he has very few recitations, i think you get them from Dhikrullah.com.
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Yes lol that's da one. *rotfl* My fav smiley. :)

Oh someone gave me a link to it but I forgot about it. :uuh: Insha Allah will got there soon. :)
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Are women allowed to recite the Quran?
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Yes they can, the only time they can't is when they're in haidh (menstrual period)

Which is the same for a male when he's in a state of impurity as well and needs a ghusl (bath) he too can't read the qur'an, not looking in the qur'an and reading nor reciting from memory.

Then when a person is in a normal 'impure' state without wudhu (ablution) then they (male and female) can recite the qur'an from memory but can't touch it until they make wudhu.

Apart from that they can read it anytime (with wudhu, if they're going to be touching the qur'an)
 
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Umm Hurairah said:


Yes but only at certain timez.
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As a matter of fact, and according to the proof text women can read the Quran anytime even during (menstrual period)

There is no authentic hadith to claim that women not allowed...

The women during the time of the Prophet peace be upon him used to read the Quran during (menstrual period) and he never stopped them..
 
Imam said:
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As a matter of fact, and according to the proof text women can read the Quran anytime even during (menstrual period)

There is no authentic hadith to claim that women not allowed...

The women during the time of the Prophet peace be upon him used to read the Quran during (menstrual period) and he never stopped them..
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That's a weak opinion and contrary to the salaf.

it comes in sunan tirmidhi,

َدَّثَنَا عَلِىُّ بْنُ حُجْرٍ وَالْحَسَنُ بْنُ عَرَفَةَ قَالاَ حَدَّثَنَا إِسْمَاعِيلُ بْنُ عَيَّاشٍ عَنْ مُوسَى بْنِ عُقْبَةَ
عَنْ نَافِعٍ عَنِ ابْنِ عُمَرَ عَنِ النَّبِىِّ -صلى الله عليه وسلم- قَالَ « لاَ تَقْرَإِ الْحَائِضُ وَلاَ الْجُنُبُ شَيْئًا مِنَ
الْقُرْآنِ ».

قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى حَدِيثُ ابْنِ عُمَرَ حَدِيثٌ لاَ نَعْرِفُهُ إِلاَّ مِنْ حَدِيثِ إِسْمَاعِيلَ
بْنِ عَيَّاشٍ عَنْ مُوسَى بْنِ عُقْبَةَ عَنْ نَافِعٍ عَنِ ابْنِ عُمَرَ عَنِ النَّبِىِّ -صلى الله عليه وسلم- قَالَ « لاَ يَقْرَإِ
الْجُنُبُ وَلاَ الْحَائِضُ ».

وَهُوَ قَوْلُ أَكْثَرِ أَهْلِ الْعِلْمِ مِنْ أَصْحَابِ النَّبِىِّ -صلى الله عليه وسلم- وَالتَّابِعِينَ
وَمَنْ بَعْدَهُمْ مِثْلِ سُفْيَانَ الثَّوْرِىِّ وَابْنِ الْمُبَارَكِ وَالشَّافِعِىِّ وَأَحْمَدَ وَإِسْحَاقَ قَالُوا لاَ تَقْرَأُ الْحَائِضُ وَلاَ الْجُنُبُ
مِنَ الْقُرْآنِ شَيْئًا

Ali bin hujr and Hasan bin Arafah said that they heard from Ismail bin ayyaash who heard from Moosa bin uqbah who heard from Nafi who heard from hadhrat ibn umar radhiallahu anhu that rasoolullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam said: the haaidha (menstruating woman) and the junub (people requiring a ghusl) cannot read anything from the qur'an.

Abu Esa said we don't know it except from the hadith of Ismail bin ayyaash from moosa bin uqbah from nafi from hadhrat ibn umar radhiallahu anhu that rasoolullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam said: the haaidha and junub may not recite (the qur'an)

And that is the view held by the majority of the ahlul ilm (people of knowledge) from the sahabah ridhwaanullahi alayhim ajmaeen, and the taabieen, and the taba taabieen, like sufyaan thawri and abdullah ibn mubarak and imam shafi' and imam ahmad and is'haaq (rahimahumullah) who said that the haaidha and junub may not recite anything from the qur'an.

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and then in daaraqutni it comes,

حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الصَّمَدِ بْنُ عَلِىٍّ حَدَّثَنَا إِبْرَاهِيمُ بْنُ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مَرْوَانَ حَدَّثَنَا عُمَرُ بْنُ عُثْمَانَ بْنِ عَاصِمٍ
حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ الْفَضْلِ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنْ طَاوُسٍ عَنْ جَابِرٍ قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ -صلى الله عليه وسلم- «
لاَ تَقْرَأُ الْحَائِضُ وَلاَ النُّفَسَاءُ مِنَ الْقُرْآنِ شَيْئًا »

Abdus samad bin ali narrated to us that he heard from ibrahim bin ahmad bin marwan who heard from umar bin uthman bin aasim who heard form muhammad bin fadhl who heard from his father who heard from taa'wus who heard from hadhrat jaabir radhiallahu anhu who said that rasoolullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam said: the haaidha and nufasaa (women in nifaas, nifaas is after they give birth) cannot ead anything form the qur'an.

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and then in bayhaqi it comes,

أَخْبَرَنَا أَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ الْحَارِثِ الْفَقِيهُ أَخْبَرَنَا أَبُو مُحَمَّدِ بْنُ حَيَّانَ حَدَّثَنَا إِبْرَاهِيمُ بْنُ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ الْحَسَنِ
أَخْبَرَنَا أَبُو عَامِرٍ حَدَّثَنَا الْوَلِيدُ بْنُ مُسْلِمٍ حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو عَمْرٍو هُوَ الأَوْزَاعِىُّ قَالَ : سُئِلَ الزُّهْرِىُّ عَنِ الْجُنُبِ
وَالنُّفَسَاءِ وَالْحَائِضِ فَقَالَ : لَمْ يُرَخَّصْ لَهُمْ أَنْ يَقْرَءُوا مِنَ الْقُرْآنِ شَيْئًا. {ت}


وَرُوِّينَاهُ عَنْ جَابِرِ بْنِ عَبْدِ
اللَّهِ ثُمَّ عَنْ عَطَاءٍ وَأَبِى الْعَالِيَةِ وَالنَّخَعِىِّ وَسَعِيدِ بْنِ جُبَيْرٍ فِى الْحَائِضِ : لاَ تَقْرَأُ الْقُرْآنَ.

Abu bakr bin haarith al faqeeh told us that abu muhammad bin hayyan said that he heard from ibrahim bin muhammad bin hasan who heard from abu aamir who heard form waleed bin muslim who heard from abu amr he is al awzaa'i who said: zuhri was asked about about the junub and the nufasaa and the haaidha so he said: there is no way for them to read anything from the qur'an.

and it's narrated from hadhrat jaabir bin abdullah then from ataa and abu aaliyah and Nakha'i and saeed bin jubayr radhiallahu anhum who said about the haaidha: she cannot read the qur'an.

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and then in daarimi it comes,

أَخْبَرَنَا حَجَّاجٌ عَنْ حَمَّادِ بْنِ سَلَمَةَ عَنْ عَاصِمٍ الأَحْوَلِ عَنْ أَبِى الْعَالِيَةِ فِى الْحَائِضِ قَالَ : لاَ
تَقْرَأُ الْقُرْآنَ.

Hajjaj told us that he heard from hammad bin salamah who heard from aasim al ahwal who heard abu aaliyah say about the haaidha: she cannot recite the qur'an.

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There is no authentic hadith to claim that women not allowed...
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And with that I strongly agree.

The Ulamaa' say that all the proof which has been collected that a woman cannot recite the Qur'an on her menstrual state is either:

"Sareeh Ghair Saheeh, aw Saheeh Ghair Sareeh!!"

Clear but Inauthentic Or Authentic but not clear.

So if you trace those ahadeeth back by their asaaneeds (chains) Im sure you'll find breakages n' defects of some sort.

Wallaahu a'lamu bis-sawaab.

PS: How'd this thread switch from arabic to fiqh? :hmm:
 
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amirah_87 said:
And with that I strongly agree.

The Ulamaa' say that all the proof which has been collected that a woman cannot recite the Qur'an on her menstrual state is either:

"Sareeh Ghair Saheeh, aw Saheeh Ghair Sareeh!!"

Clear but Inauthentic Or Authentic but not clear.



PS: How'd this thread switch from arabic to fiqh? :hmm:
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Exactly dear sister

and Thanx for brother Abu Musab ,though I don't agree with his approach to Fikh.....
and we shouldn't argue more in offtopic issue

JazakumAllah khairan
Ameen
 
amirah_87 said:
And with that I strongly agree.

The Ulamaa' say that all the proof which has been collected that a woman cannot recite the Qur'an on her menstrual state is either:

"Sareeh Ghair Saheeh, aw Saheeh Ghair Sareeh!!"

Clear but Inauthentic Or Authentic but not clear.

So if you trace those ahadeeth back by their asaaneeds (chains) Im sure you'll find breakages n' defects of some sort.

Wallaahu a'lamu bis-sawaab.

PS: How'd this thread switch from arabic to fiqh? :hmm:
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Not exactly, there's no breakages, actually let me rather post the relevant part from tirmidhi,

قَالَ
وَسَمِعْتُ مُحَمَّدَ بْنَ إِسْمَاعِيلَ يَقُولُ إِنَّ إِسْمَاعِيلَ بْنَ عَيَّاشٍ يَرْوِى عَنْ أَهْلِ الْحِجَازِ وَأَهْلِ الْعِرَاقِ أَحَادِيثَ
مَنَاكِيرَ. كَأَنَّهُ ضَعَّفَ رِوَايَتَهُ عَنْهُمْ فِيمَا يَنْفَرِدُ بِهِ. وَقَالَ إِنَّمَا حَدِيثُ إِسْمَاعِيلَ بْنِ عَيَّاشٍ عَنْ أَهْلِ الشَّأْمِ.
وَقَالَ أَحْمَدُ بْنُ حَنْبَلٍ إِسْمَاعِيلُ بْنُ عَيَّاشٍ أَصْلَحُ مِنْ بَقِيَّةَ وَلِبَقِيَّةَ أَحَادِيثُ مَنَاكِيرُ عَنِ الثِّقَاتِ. قَالَ أَبُو
عِيسَى حَدَّثَنِى أَحْمَدُ بْنُ الْحَسَنِ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ أَحْمَدَ بْنَ حَنْبَلٍ يَقُولُ ذَلِكَ

And it should be noted that imam ahmad rahimahullah accepted the hadith of ismail bin ayyash, and as Uthman ali hasan says in Manhajul-Istidlaal ’alaa Masaa‘ilil-I’tiqaad ’inda Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah regarding aahad ahadith "As for Imaam Ahmad bin Hanbal - rahimahullaah - then his speech in matters of al-jarh wat-ta’deel (invalidating or validating the narrators) are very famous, and his rejection of the narrations of the dhu’afaa (the weak narrators) is more than can be counted."

yet he accepted this hadith, so if it was 'weak' then he wouldn't have accepted it.

Anyway each to their own, i'll stick with the salaf.
 
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i havn't caught all of this argument, but heres a fatwa concering the menstruating women reciting the quran.
Anyway each to their own, i'll stick with the salaf.
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no comment.....
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no. a dual and a plural are two different things in arabic.
in arabic there is singular, dual, and plural.
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thirdwatch512 & maryam11
Thanks for your question and answer. :)
I just want to add that dual is a new form that is midway between singular and plural. It's an indication to massiveness of Arabic language too, cuz it is related to many grammatical and style changes.


A language power is measured by its variety of styles; that is endless in Arabic, and its massiveness in synonymy, that could reach hundreds in Arabic, which is not found in any other language!

Salams
 

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