Are any of these true?

AlbanianMuslim said:
90% of Kosovars are ethnic Albanians, hence kosovo belongs to the Albanians of Kosovo.
The stars on the flag represent the minorities I believe, or so I was told.


Rroft kosova! I cant wait to go this summer and see how much more my city has grown since the last time. Every year I go things get better and better and I love seeing the growth. After the war I hadnt been there for almost 6 years, when we finally went back I barely recognized my city, because when I left it it was just a town! So much growth. Kosovo has a long way to go but I know they will make it.

Inshallah things will only get better and better.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Albanians live in separate states because Kosovo was a part of Serbia /and Montenegro, so already free from the Turks, when Albania declared independence from the Ottomans?
 
Good question, I am not entirely sure of that Froggy so I wont answer. I can look it up though I have way too many books on the Balkan countries. I should know this but being a History major, sometimes I have to toss stuff out of my brain to fit new stuff in. :)

I will say this though. Each Balkan country has a rich history, most of them have histories intertwined with one another. Serbia has a lot of historical stake in Kosovo, Albania has a lot of historical stake in Kosovo and Montenegro. It goes on and on. Each country was also subjected to be under the Ottoman Empire which further complicated issues and relations between each country. It didnt help when the Austro-Hungarians took over parts of the Balkans either.

My point is, and I know it may seem I hate all Serbs. I dont. I hate the ones who committed crimes. I also do not deny that Albanians and Bosnians fought a dirty war. Theres a quote I love, the first casualty of war is the truth. After that, every beautiful thing comes under attack. Friendships are destroyed. There were so many Serbs who were good friends with Albanians and Bosnians, now they are enemies or strangers.
After a war like that, after the crimes committed in Kosovo and Bosnia, it is absurd to for anyone to believe that the Kosovar people could possibly ever live under Serbia again. Thats the point of why I believe Kosovo should be its own country. The people were subjected to hell, and they have earned their right to be free and independent.
My fathers side is from Montenegro. We dont mind it at all, we love that country too. In this century, although there have been instances of injustice towards Albanians in Montenegro, it isnt anywhere near the level of Kosovo. That is why Albanians in Montenegro live peaceful prosperous lives. I could go on forever and ever, as could any Croat, Bosnian, Serb etc. about this issue. It is so complex, it would take years and years of study to fully understand the magnitude of it all.

Froggy, a book that I think you will enjoy is called Neighbors at War edited by Joel M. Halpern and David A. Kideckel. It is a book filled with articles, stories, and the like by Serbs, Bosnians, Albanians and foreigners who were in the Balkans before, during and after the war. Very eye opening.
 
AlbanianMuslim said:
Good question, I am not entirely sure of that Froggy so I wont answer. I can look it up though I have way too many books on the Balkan countries. I should know this but being a History major, sometimes I have to toss stuff out of my brain to fit new stuff in. :)

I will say this though. Each Balkan country has a rich history, most of them have histories intertwined with one another. Serbia has a lot of historical stake in Kosovo, Albania has a lot of historical stake in Kosovo and Montenegro. It goes on and on. Each country was also subjected to be under the Ottoman Empire which further complicated issues and relations between each country. It didnt help when the Austro-Hungarians took over parts of the Balkans either.

My point is, and I know it may seem I hate all Serbs. I dont. I hate the ones who committed crimes. I also do not deny that Albanians and Bosnians fought a dirty war. Theres a quote I love, the first casualty of war is the truth. After that, every beautiful thing comes under attack. Friendships are destroyed. There were so many Serbs who were good friends with Albanians and Bosnians, now they are enemies or strangers.
After a war like that, after the crimes committed in Kosovo and Bosnia, it is absurd to for anyone to believe that the Kosovar people could possibly ever live under Serbia again. Thats the point of why I believe Kosovo should be its own country. The people were subjected to hell, and they have earned their right to be free and independent.
My fathers side is from Montenegro. We dont mind it at all, we love that country too. In this century, although there have been instances of injustice towards Albanians in Montenegro, it isnt anywhere near the level of Kosovo. That is why Albanians in Montenegro live peaceful prosperous lives. I could go on forever and ever, as could any Croat, Bosnian, Serb etc. about this issue. It is so complex, it would take years and years of study to fully understand the magnitude of it all.

Froggy, a book that I think you will enjoy is called Neighbors at War edited by Joel M. Halpern and David A. Kideckel. It is a book filled with articles, stories, and the like by Serbs, Bosnians, Albanians and foreigners who were in the Balkans before, during and after the war. Very eye opening.
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A very good post and I agree completely, I said before Kosovo should be independent, no matter if it is declared illegal by the int court of justice. And sadly, I believe it won't prosper in the next decades, mainly due to Opposition from Russia and China.
I'll be sure to look at it, thank you very much. :)

What is your opinion on Albanian terrorism in Macedonia?
 
Oh goodness, another extremely difficult conflict to digest. I do not deny there are crimes committed on both ends. The albanians in Macedonia have suffered a lot of injustice, as a result many grow up feeling a lot of animosity towards the state. They have many times resorted to violent means in which to express that animosity and anger they have. I do not agree with their use of violence to speak out, but I also do not agree with the Macedonian governments treatment of Albanians in many area. BBC did a piece on this issue as well. Showing both sides of course. One village in Macedonia that was predominantly Albanian had their water lines cut off by the state, so they had to drive miles away to fill buckets and basins to bring water back to the village. Things like that bring violence because they cause frustration and anger towards the state. If the government treated the Albanians with more respect and treated them as citizens, there would be far less violence on the part of the Albanians. But, like I said, there are so many sides to the issue.
 
One thing I have learned in my studies of History is that the leaders of countries who are designated "world leaders" regardless of whether they had good or bad intentions have carved up the world in so many ways that every single corner of the globe that has conflict, the conflict has originated in some way from that carving. Countries taking this place or that, people being thrown around between empires. On and on and on. The civilians get caught in the crossfire, while the leaders sit back, arms crossed, one leg over the other, a glass of scotch and a cigar in their mouth.
 
JoshuaD said:
Israel is Israel and Arabs who say otherwise can go cry in a corner. Oh wait, it's ok for Muslims to occupy land but not for Jews to do the same, silly me.
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silly you indeed.

I haven't posted anything controversial, the only topic remotely controversial was where people claimed without any evidence that Israel was harvesting organs in Haiti, I pointed out there was no proof and shortly after an admin closed the thread as it provided no proof.
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that quote wasn't in reference to you.
 
AlbanianMuslim said:
Oh goodness, another extremely difficult conflict to digest. I do not deny there are crimes committed on both ends. The albanians in Macedonia have suffered a lot of injustice, as a result many grow up feeling a lot of animosity towards the state. They have many times resorted to violent means in which to express that animosity and anger they have. I do not agree with their use of violence to speak out, but I also do not agree with the Macedonian governments treatment of Albanians in many area. BBC did a piece on this issue as well. Showing both sides of course. One village in Macedonia that was predominantly Albanian had their water lines cut off by the state, so they had to drive miles away to fill buckets and basins to bring water back to the village. Things like that bring violence because they cause frustration and anger towards the state. If the government treated the Albanians with more respect and treated them as citizens, there would be far less violence on the part of the Albanians. But, like I said, there are so many sides to the issue.
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Where did the violence towards Albanians stem from? Did MAcedonians simply hate them, was it religious? Did they threaten the integrity of republic of Macedonia (wanted independence)? Are you sure it was the Macedonians who started it all?
 
As for Kosovo, I found out Serbia declared they will respect the decision of the intl court of justice regardless of the outcome.
 
The hatred between Serbs and Bosniaks and Albanians, seem to be rooted deeply in history. First reason seems to be the acceptance of some Serbs (Bosniaks) and Albanians the religion of occupants (Turkey). Then later, I know that in XIXth century, during uprisings of christian peasants in Bosnia and Serbia, Turkey didnt sent own army to defeat the uprisings (as Turks were fighting with Russians on and on) and they were sending Albanian and Bosniak muslims (highlanders) to fight against christian peasants. Very often highlanders behaved brutally, murdering whole villages.
 
Religion does play a huge part but it isnt the #1 reason. Land, land, land. Religion I feel is merely a tool for the leaders to use when they want to fire people up and cause conflict.
 
AlbanianMuslim said:
Religion does play a huge part but it isnt the #1 reason. Land, land, land. Religion I feel is merely a tool for the leaders to use when they want to fire people up and cause conflict.
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Neither Muslims nor Bosnians were particularly religious at the start of the conflict. Religion was more of a cultural thing tied to ones nation.
Muslim was, and still is, a nationality in Yugoslavia/BIH.
 
AlbanianMuslim said:
Religion does play a huge part but it isnt the #1 reason. Land, land, land. Religion I feel is merely a tool for the leaders to use when they want to fire people up and cause conflict.
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I agree wtih Albanian Muslim... It was about land well i think it was about a few different things but it wasnt about religion...

Froggy said:
Neither Muslims nor Bosnians were particularly religious at the start of the conflict.
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that not much different then 90% of people in the states...


Froggy said:
Religion was more of a cultural thing tied to ones nation. Muslim was, and still is, a nationality in Yugoslavia/BIH.
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Yes and no... its not something people talk about, like EVER.


Why is it a bunch of people who have not studied this subject in depth or were not there are the ones who always want to bring this up????
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Actually, in many place in Bosnia and Macedonia, those who were muslim were ardent followers. In kosovo and Albania as well as in Montenegro muslims had become lax, partly from the communist regimes tearing down Masjids and burning Korans and partly from the political brainwashing that went on.
 
AlbanianMuslim said:
Actually, in many place in Bosnia and Macedonia, those who were muslim were ardent followers. In kosovo and Albania as well as in Montenegro muslims had become lax, partly from the communist regimes tearing down Masjids and burning Korans and partly from the political brainwashing that went on.
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There were definitely very few religious people, there aren't than many now anway, but most people who are, Serbs and Bosniaks and less so croats, got religious after and because of the war.
 
Im not sure where you get some of these "facts" you speak of. A lot of people are religious in all those parts now. My father became religious right before the war broke out, and many followed afterwards. You cant possibly know if people are or arent unless you go to Kosovo and see for yourself. Since the war, many masjids have been built and surprise surprise...

its not the old people who fill them! In Albanian especially, there is a movement going on amongst the young people very similar to what happened in Egjypt, they are finding Islam and embracing it in large numbers. Last year when I was there, the masjid I went to in Durres was over flowing with people whereas 10 years ago it was only half full.
 
AlbanianMuslim said:
Im not sure where you get some of these "facts" you speak of. A lot of people are religious in all those parts now. My father became religious right before the war broke out, and many followed afterwards. You cant possibly know if people are or arent unless you go to Kosovo and see for yourself. Since the war, many masjids have been built and surprise surprise...

its not the old people who fill them! In Albanian especially, there is a movement going on amongst the young people very similar to what happened in Egjypt, they are finding Islam and embracing it in large numbers. Last year when I was there, the masjid I went to in Durres was over flowing with people whereas 10 years ago it was only half full.
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I was talking about Bosnia not Kosovo. I've never been to Kosovo and I don't know that much Kosovars, they're much more reserved and into themselves than Bosnians. Could be due to the language. They're the conspiring type.
 
Froggy said:
I was there plenty of times.
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When???? which century????


Froggy said:
I was talking about Bosnia not Kosovo. I've never been to Kosovo and I don't know that much Kosovars, they're much more reserved and into themselves than Bosnians. Could be due to the language. They're the conspiring type.
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