Are the sisters getting it right?

[Futuwwa]

A Holocaust denier. I am shocked. What can of closed-minded slaves of self-induced destiny have I stumbled across? In less than a day you have managed to reinforce every view I hold on the danger of Islam to a progressige free-thinking society and how its leaders subjegate the masses for their own ends. The rabbit hole runs deep.

Perhaps you should convince your fellow Jews to stop Nakba denial. Then we can talk about Muslim holocaust denial

 

[Futuwwa]

Are you a Holocaust denier too? I came here to challenge my prejudices. I am in danger of leaving with those prejudices in tact and validated. So far I have learned that you are all slaves to Allah, that women in Islam are more free than kaffir women, that Islam is perfect, that feminists who challenge Islam are doing it to justify why they left and I am a troll for challenging your comfort zone.

ProTip: If people react with annoyance at what you post, it does not prove that you are asking hard questions or speaking hard, unpopular truths, or that the annoyance is due to insecurity or intellectual discomfort. A much more common cause is that you are simply being rude and sanctimonious.

If you seriously want to "challenge your prejudices", it'd help to be a bit less provocative. And to drop the attitude that your views are the only true ones, and that to avert the "danger" of you leaving with your prejudices intact, we'd have to roll over and agree with you in everything.

 

[Abu Loren]

And to drop the attitude that your views are the only true ones, and that to avert the "danger" of you leaving with your prejudices intact, we'd have to roll over and agree with you in everything.

It's called arrogance bro.

 

[MustafaMc]

That is Maryam. You sound a little threatened by her stance. Why would anyone choose to be a slave to a deity? Why would any deity worth worshiping require such obedience under threat of eternal pain? I really don't get it.

You really don't get it, do you? If there really is One God (as ALL Muslims believe), then we are a part of His creation. The Qur'an tells us that the purpose for creating mankind is for them to worship Him. You are completely free to not submit your person to serving and obeying God in the same manner that I am free to submit to His guidance. If you choose to be rebellious and earn the wrath of Allah (subhana wa ta ala), then I hope that you remember to voice your complaints about your perceived 'injustice' on Judgement Day before Rabb il-Alameen, Maliki Yawmi Deen.

I am fed-up reading justifications as to why men should be able to have four wives,

... and how many Muslims do you know who have more than one wife?

why women enjoy hiding themselves in public and why women don't really want to drive.

Oh, I see you want to liberate Muslim women from their hijab so you can oogle over their bodies exposed through tight and revealing clothing.

This is why I am here, to try and get a different perspective. To find out if there is such a thing as a moderate muslim, if people can be muslim without believing in god and what changes you would like to see.

This statement is most revealing. In other words you want us to become a Jew. If you had any understanding whatsoever, you would know that it is literally impossible to "be a muslim without believing in god". I have actually spoken at length with a Rabbi (Reform) and I was shocked to learn that believing in God is NOT a requirement for someone to be considered a Jew. She (yes, the Rabbi was a woman) also wrote/spoke about how the rights of women to pray publically at the Wailing Wall were being repressed by Israel. So Jewish women are still fighting for their 'liberation', too, and you want to see Muslimahs do the same in order to gain the right to dress as scantily as possible (bikinis, tank-tops, lowcut blouses, tight jeans, short skirts, etc.), to marry non-Muslim men, lead men in prayer, etc. In other words you want to separate Muslims from Islam.

 

[MustafaMc]

At least the kaffir system, with all its imperfections can produce physicists. Tell me what Islam has contributed to the advancement of science over the last few hundred years.

Do you not know that while Eurpoe was still in the Dark Ages that Muslims were at the forefront of science and mathematics? It is true that since the late 1400's European civilization came to dominate and the Caliphate was on the decline until its collapse after WWI. But then again, the 'kaffir system', as you say, has also promoted such non-logical theories as naturalistic evolution and the creation and use of horrific WMD by those same physicists you are so proud of.

 

[MustafaMc]

I bet she wasn't. May I ask what was it about this religion that attracted you?

I, too, am a convert from Christianity to Islam. Who are you to say, "I bet she wasn't" when someone says their mother was upset to learn of their conversion to Islam? My family was very upset with me as well and I can share a few things about my personal experiences to illustrate this, but I won't out of respect for them.

 

[aamirsaab]

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I am fed-up reading justifications as to why men should be able to have four wives,

4 wives is an option - not a commandment.

why women enjoy hiding themselves in public

Covering yourself up or wearing clothes is not hiding yourself in public. Veils have been part of Western fashion for quite some time and are present in almost every single culture across the globe. Female orthodox jews wear a type of veil very similar to both Hijab and Niqab. As do Sikh and Hindu women. I don't know why so many people have an issue with Muslim women choosing to wearing a piece of cloth that almost every other religious woman on the planet wear...

and why women don't really want to drive.

What are you talking about? A Saudi fatwa imposed in a specific area of S.A that is not legally binding in any way shape or form and can be ignored?

If you have questions, by all means ask. But don't act like you know my religion.

 

[Muhammad]

Greetings (insert suitable name here),

You have received many excellent replies in this thread. I think they more than adequately address your posts. If you are truly here to learn or have a meaningful discussion, the manner you have adopted in this thread is certainly not the way to go about it. I suggest you start again with any serious questions. If, however, you are simply here to provoke negative reaction, you are wasting everyone's time and will not last very long.